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Fixture of Dakka





Surrey, BC - Canada

This is what I will be posting on for the foreseeable future, not really GW inspired at all (but a few GW bits might make their way into the model before it is done), it is a model of a World War II Flower Class Corvette.

It should be noted I had not built a model ship since I was 15 and it was a 1/700 scale battleship mounted on a cardboard sea (over 30 years ago)…so this should be a bit of an experience.

So I want to build the Canadian Flower Class Corvette HMCS CHILLIWACK in her 1942 configuration (short foc’sle). Why, because I was in the navy...and it was my navy's 100th anniversary and there is a competition to build these 1/72 scale models as one of the ways to celebrate that fact.

The Flower Class Corvette were simple escorts built to hunt German U-Boats and sweep for mines laid by submarines near harbour entrances. They were based on pre-war Whale Hunting ships and were simple to build and maintain. As a result of the U-Boats being more efficient at sinking merchant ships than initially believed and the loses encountered by convoys, the little Corvettes were impressed into convoy escort across the Atlantic...something they really had not been designed for.

Canada, not having much of an established ship building infrastructure discovered that it could produce these from multiple civilian yards across the country, in fact we built about 111 of the Flower or her successor the Revised Flower Class. As for the name, so the story goes Sir Winston Churchill liked the idea of newspaper stories announcing the sinking of a German U-Boat by HMS Buttercup as somewhat inspiring. Canada named all but 10 of her Flowers after cities and towns, because flowers couldn't knit mittens for the sailors. In fact in Canada almost all our warships are named after cities and towns to encourage connections between the navy and the nation.

HMCS CHILLIWACK was one of the 1939-1940 Canadian Program built on the West Coast at Burrard Dry Dock Co. Ltd (very close to my home).
Launched: 9-14-1940
Commissioned: 4-8-1941
Foc’sle Extension: 10-10-1943 Halifax (not an issue for this build)
Now I have acquired a copy of the original plans for CHILLIWACK and her sisters AGASSIZ, TRAIL and WETASKIWIN. These plans are with the two mast configuration, which by 1942 CHILLIWACK had dropped to the single mast forward of the bridge (as well as other changes such as Bridge wing extensions, and some weapon changes).

The Corvette has arrived:

It was a little flat from Canada Post.

However the kit seems to be intact:


Check of the parts and they all seem to be there, a few bits had broken free, but nothing seriously damaged, just the box getting a little flat.


I will need to wash them and take a look at the parts next.

One version of CHILLIWACK in the middle of 1942


Cheers,

CB

PS: In case you were wondering, this was the second edition of the Flower produced by Revell, before the brass etched parts. For those of you with the older version of the kit sitting on a shelf (and I know there are a lot of you).





   
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar





Upstate, New York

That is a lot of tiny parts.

Needs more skulls a/o dakka.

Never seen someone build something like this, should be interesting. Good luck!

   
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Denver, CO, USA

Fun project! That should keep you busy now that your Sisters are wrapped up. I did a few much smaller ship models with my dad when I was a boy... I can still smell the plastic cement.

   
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Fixture of Dakka





Surrey, BC - Canada

Thanks for the replies. While building this I tried to use as many of the kit parts as possible (often not for their intended original purpose) and scratch build the rest.

So I went through the kit and looked at the various parts on their sprue, comparing these to the drawings in John McKay & John Harland’s Anatomy of the Ship – The Flower Class Corvette AGASSIZ as well as John Lambert and Les Brown’s Flower Class Corvettes. I also visited Bob Pearson's excellent site and reviewed some of his conversion articles.
After that I made a list of the changes/modifications I will have to do (there will likely be more as I carry out the build).

Hull
Removal of a portion of the upper deck to forward of the bridge
Extra-large keel ground off
Stem needs to be removed and rebuilt
Bilge rails are way too large and thick, replacing with plasticard
Extra Portholes Covered
Square Scuppers Covered
Port Hole Eyebrows…torn as the West Coast ships seemed to have these
Stern needs to be flattened out and pulled to make sure there is room for Minesweeping gear and the Canadian stern

Deck and Fittings
All decks needs to have the fake reversed wood paneling taken off
Well deck needs to be scratch-built
Some water tight doors and other materials for the foc’sle
Additional decking added at the stern of the engine casing
Windlass, this is going to have to be built from scratch or a substitute found
Anchors need work and the hawse pipe is a joke
Hull Splinter Shields; on the forward ones I think I will have to move the placement as some of the West Coast Corvettes had them added slightly inboard
Lockers all need hinges and detailing
Wooden decks added forward and aft and in the well deck area
Mast…kit version is too short for short foc’sle and the SW1C/SW2C is missing
Life Boat Davits need lots of work
Boat Deck needs to be scratch-built and wood planking added, it will need lots of work as the kit is dearth in details here
Oval Life Rafts, need some work, not that bad
Life Boats, fortunately 1942 the smaller square stern life boats were in use and not the Whaler…but major internal work will be required. Things like oars, rudder, ribs, thwarts, etc.
Hatches need detailing
Rectangle Life Rafts still debating if I want to make a pair
Rope & Cable Reels need detailing or replacement
Small Ventilators need detailing
Need to scratch-build blake and bottle screw slip

Bridge
A new bridge will need to be built for the Short Focsle version
Search Lights need some pretty major work
Bridge Deck needs wood planking
Bridge Ladder Moved
Radar Lantern House…depending on early or late 1942 will determine if I need this, it needs a door, holes in the grate, etc.
Bridge Supports, again a pre or post 271 Radar set addition (CHILLIWACK had parts of the set added on repeated visits to Londonderry with the set being completed in December 1942)
Windshield…I will think of something
Bridge Splinter Shields/Splinter Mats…kit ones are a little sparse and the whole Bridge needs to be rebuilt for a type B design
Pipe Rails added instead of the fake flat plastic in the kit which look fragile and not really accurate
Rail Dodgers see above, going to built the pipe rails and then add some tissue paper
Wind dodger needs to be scratch built
Flag Box needs a complete replacement
Assorted Lockers need hinges and butterfly clips
Signal Light Platforms replacement or major conversion work
Deck House Ladders need replacement
D/F Coil, replacement with a round version
Bridge Voice Pipes need some detailing

Engine Room Casing
Needs to be shortened and corrected for Canadian version with overhang and struts
Move the 2 Pdr Bandstand aft
Engine Room Skylight…needs to be completely rebuilt as the kit version is wrong on so many levels.
Watertight Doors…the kit versions are really poor
Galley to be removed and moved aft of bridge
Funnel is a decent representation, but the rivets are such a noticeable feature, I may replace it.
Funnel Ladder, kit version is pretty simple
Steam Pipes on Funnel
Large ventilators really need some work as the kit versions are simple and too thick
Placement of gear and other changes are necessary

Weapons
4-inch Main Gun & Shield replacement or a complete scratch-build
Bandstand for the above will need treads and a replacement for the ammunition holders as well as some mesh and other detailing
2 Pdr (working on deciding if I am going to do early 1942 or late 1942…as early actually seemed to have a 20 mm Oerlikon in the rear bandstand while late had the 2 Pdr – if someone knows when I would love to know). Either way a replacement of complete scratch-build looks necessary
The 2 Pdr Bandstand tub needs to be replaced and a tread added
Bridge Weapons – either 303 Lewis Guns or 50 Cal twined Machine Guns look like the fittings for 1942. As per the 2 Pdr a completely new build will be necessary as the kit parts are really quite poor (again, no confirmation seems available)
Depth Charge Throwers…these are not bad…OK they are bad, about the level of the other weapons, I think some framing for the base and a little detail work will make them acceptable. Depth Charges are a little weak, but with some cutting off of extra parts and some paint detail they can work. The stalks are really too small and will have to be replaced, as well as stalk carrier detail.
Depth Charge Racks, too thick and too large, so some platicard replacements look necessary
Smoke Candle Racks…I think there is some sort of thick box that the kit provides
Floater Nets & Racks
Smoke Candles need some holes drilled

Minesweeping Gear
As this was not removed until the foc’sle extension I need to scratch-build the lot
Winch
Davits (x2)
Large Minesweeping Floats (x2)
Otter/Kite Floats (x4)
Gallows (x2)
Dan Buoys and racks

I also figured I should show my work space and tools...OK, it is the kitchen table which means I will have to clean up after every session otherwise Mrs Captain Brown will have words with me.


Therefore my construction is going to be start and stop...so I will likely break many of these jobs down into mini-projects.

That is going to be a lot of work, notice I have not even mentioned painting/weathering, etc.


Since everyone loves pictures, here is CHILLIWACK in either late 1942 and early 1943.
Photo courtesy of the CF - Project Pride
Notice the bridge struts, 271 Radar lantern and I am pretty certain that is a 2 Pdr now in the aft bandstand.

The long painting war continues...

CB

   
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar





Upstate, New York

So I have to ask, with all the changes, why the kit? Sounds like you are going to be modifying everything from the keel up!

   
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Dakka Veteran





Columbus, OH

Good luck, you're gonna need it!

Thanks,

MegaDave  
   
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'





Bedford

Wow CB, not seen one of those kits before, that is gonna take a lot of work.

Good Luck and thanks for sharing

   
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Very nice kit, and the Flower class are woefully under-represented in terms of finished displays considering how ubiquitous they were during the war. I had a slightly less daunting experience assembling the Revell kit for my Coast Guard cutter (the first of my three services!)- USCGC Duane, WHEC-33. Very detailed kits, but sometimes off in some specifications. For me, not much to modify; for you, Cap'n- this looks to be the equivalent of an axles-up restoration of a '64 1/2 Mustang.

Or, as Nevelon put it- from the keel up!

I'll be following this thread.

"He fears his fate too much, or his desserts are small, who will not put it to a single touch; to win- or lose- it all."

Montrose Toast


 
   
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Earlobe deep in doo doo

Flowers were key. Mass produced escorts were vital during the war it was the absence of these which caused the axis fleets in particular Japan so much trouble. Talking about WW2 ship models my Grandfather was given a model of British Promise a BP tanker he served on made by one of the other crewmen both him and her survived the war. He ended up serving in pretty much every theatre of the war with the merchant navy.

"But me no buts! Our comrades get hurt. Our friends die. Falkenburg is a knight who swore an oath to serve the church and to defend the weak. He'd be the first to tell you to stop puling and start planning. Because what we are doing-at risk to ourselves-is what we have sworn to do. The West relies on us. It is a risk we take with pride. It is an oath we honour. Even when some soft southern burgher mutters about us, we know the reason he sleeps soft and comfortable, why his wife is able to complain about the price of cabbages as her most serious problem and why his children dare to throw dung and yell "Knot" when we pass. It's because we are what we are. For all our faults we stand for law and light.
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Fixture of Dakka





Surrey, BC - Canada

Nevelon wrote:So I have to ask, with all the changes, why the kit? Sounds like you are going to be modifying everything from the keel up!

It is always easier to upgrade/convert a kit where even if the part looks nothing like the real thing, you have a base to work from. That and the hull is nearly three feet long and I did not want to build it from scratch.

Thanks MegaDave, Midget Gems, and Meer_Cat.

Llamahead wrote:Flowers were key. Mass produced escorts were vital during the war it was the absence of these which caused the axis fleets in particular Japan so much trouble. Talking about WW2 ship models my Grandfather was given a model of British Promise a BP tanker he served on made by one of the other crewmen both him and her survived the war. He ended up serving in pretty much every theatre of the war with the merchant navy.


A nice connection there Llamahead. The Canadian Flowers were built from the British plans, but differed almost immediately since Canada really did not even have the equipment to arm them. Some of the 10 built to the British standard carried a log in place of the 4 inch on their first crossing and their only armament being a .303 on the bridge until they could be finished and armed in the UK.

Build Update

So I started one of the smaller projects, the Mark II Depth Charge Throwers.


As you can see the kit versions are really rudimentary plastic...things and other than a tube and a suggestion of another smaller tube they really bear little resemblance. The drawing above is from John McKay & John Harland's Anatomy of the Ship - The Flower Class Corvette AGASSIZ and I cannot recommend this book enough.

I started by trimming off the excess plastic for the forward support and much of the plastic protrusion that is supposed to be the firing chamber. Top is the basic assembly and below it is my trimmed version.


Now for a firing chamber I wanted something cylindrical and of the correct length, wanting to use as much of the Kit parts as possible I grabbed the two Lewis Gun supports and cut them to down to get two cylinders…these when divided were just about the perfect length.


Building the bases (the Chooper II is excellent for this – that tool was not on my work bench table because it was a present from Mrs Captain Brown for my birthday), styrene and some small L bracket styrene.


Comparison between the kit version and my ‘upgraded’ one, the firing pins came from some small 1/35 tank tread ends (with a pin), some styrene rod and .020x.010 styrene strips to make the brackets:


A shot of the Mark II Throwers all fixed up:


So all that is left is a little cleaning of the pieces (especially the now pointless banding and where the styrene has gotten bent).

So there they are, my first ‘kit-bash’ for the corvette.

Depth charges was something Canada could produce, but the demand was so high to get them to ships that one Commander trained his crew using a garbage pail filled with some mining TNT and a mining fuse instead of a hydrostatic charge.

Cheers,

CB

   
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar





Upstate, New York

Damn, that is some fiddly little detail work. Well done!

   
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Fixture of Dakka





Surrey, BC - Canada

Thank you Nevelon,

Next parts to get worked on are the forward and after bandstands. The kit comes with flat plastic bases (no tread - which Corvettes had added fairly quickly into commission), and the aft bandstand for the 2 Pdr has a really, really thick shield. I visited Bob Pearson's great site and got some ideas on what to do. Treads are all 0.010 x 0.020 styrene strips.

4-Inch Bandstand
Original part with some pencil marks, found a use for that old compass and protractor to get the lines drawn...use pencil, very easy to erase mistakes.

Tread added (again I used the Chopper II to make the treads fairly quickly)


Next was the aft Bandstand for the 2-Pdr Pom-Pom
Original Part.

Using the Dremel Mini to cut off the old splinter shield...one minor error. I recommend that you use a clamp to hold the Bandstand and a glove on the holding hand...just in case.

The star tread.

Modelling action shot...the plastic cement is still drying...

Splinter Shield getting added.

With the shelter added (I filed down some of the shelter parts to remove the part numbers on the inside and to widen the doorway.


The long painting and modeling war continues...

CB

   
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Damsel of the Lady





drinking tea in the snow

This is an impressive and challenging project. It looks like you've got it well handled, i'm looking forward to what comes next!

realism is a lie
 
   
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Battle-tested Knight Castellan Pilot






Did you do this project before maybe on Warseer? I remember seeing this years ago right down to the Chilliwack conversion (as I live in BC like you )

Great you just Mandella effected me

This does look great tho. My Grandfather was in WWII and I've been in contact with my father as I wanted to know where gramps served and what he did. I would love to make a little diorama of -Him- or what he did over there(He drove trucks on convoys and hated it because you couldn't stop to go to the washroom so the guys cut holes in the floor so they could do their business). It's neat little things like that that can help really personalize a model.

I can't wait to see what you come up with this time CB.
   
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Executing Exarch





London, UK

Keen to see your progress on this, always like to see some work done on WWII historicals and I barely see anyone working on ships. Subbed.

   
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Fixture of Dakka





Surrey, BC - Canada

Thank you amazingturtles and Tyranid Horde,

I will try to live up to expectations.

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:Did you do this project before maybe on Warseer? I remember seeing this years ago right down to the Chilliwack conversion (as I live in BC like you )

Great you just Mandella effected me

This does look great tho. My Grandfather was in WWII and I've been in contact with my father as I wanted to know where gramps served and what he did. I would love to make a little diorama of -Him- or what he did over there(He drove trucks on convoys and hated it because you couldn't stop to go to the washroom so the guys cut holes in the floor so they could do their business). It's neat little things like that that can help really personalize a model.

I can't wait to see what you come up with this time CB.


Thanks FabricatorGeneralMike, I have posted the log on two other sites...they got trashed with Photobucket started blocking things and I have been replacing the images. I won't go to that extreme of detail, however I will model the forward heads as I am building the model as the original short foc'sle

The ventilators from the kit are rather chunky, especially at the mouth; the thick plastic is particularly noticeable. So after gluing and regular trimming I sat down with my Mini-Dremel and began to sand down the mouths.

Before:


After:


Started on the two lifeboats:

Used Bob Pearson's site for some inspiration (he did a 27' Whaler conversion vice these lifeboats).

The boats themselves are a two part set that sort of resembles a lifeboat…sort of. Lower halves of the lifeboats.


Ribs added with 0.010 x 0.020 styrene strips


Deck boards (which look a little low, might add something to raise them up now) added.


Still need to do thwarts, knees, build a rudder, oars and survival keg/ration tins.

The long painting and converting war continues...

CB

   
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Wow - I love a good ship model. My father and grandfather both built model ships and sailed both models and full size boats from time to time. The level of detail you show is amazing - you know your really working at the highest level when thinkness of the plastic is an issue. You've certainly chosen a valiant class of ship to model and I'm sure it will be brilliant when done.
The Chopper Two sounds pretty great - what is it exactly?
   
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Fixture of Dakka





Surrey, BC - Canada

 kestral wrote:
Wow - I love a good ship model. My father and grandfather both built model ships and sailed both models and full size boats from time to time. The level of detail you show is amazing - you know your really working at the highest level when thinkness of the plastic is an issue. You've certainly chosen a valiant class of ship to model and I'm sure it will be brilliant when done.
The Chopper Two sounds pretty great - what is it exactly?


Thanks kestrel,

The plastic cutter is a NorthWest Short Line - The Chopper II is a tool that is designed to cut plastics or wood of a certain size. You can set it up to make repeat cuts of the same length, which is great for cutting polystyrene plastic strips into blanks, etc.


http://nebula.wsimg.com/b9cf661ddc0e6ab0031c8f25d0777d38?AccessKeyId=08BEE66B97B387F20C0D&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

The long painting and converting war continues...

CB

   
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The level of additional detail is amazing. Magnificently obsessive.
   
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Affton, MO. USA

Amazing project , you almost got me to order one thinking how cool it would be to turn it into the gondola for a 40k zeppelin (Darn you Vik with getting me hooked on that idea ).

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

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Northern Ireland

Exalt! Subbed. Awesome.

   
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Fixture of Dakka





Surrey, BC - Canada

Thank you youwashock, Theophony and theCrowe.

So historical fact, the original two dinghies were really only suitable for inshore use or calm weather (not for the North Atlantic)...unfortunately the priority to change this never high in the RN and the RCN corvettes did not get the 27 foot whaler until much later (the 10 RCN Corvettes built to the British pattern and named for flowers never got whalers), so for this 1942 build there are two dinghies.

First thing I did was remove the 0.010 by 0.020 strip seated on the ribs and replaced it with a lowered 0.020 by 0.020 strip. Next I used some 0.020 by 0.080 styrene for the thwarts and some 0.010 by 0.060 for the knees.

Here you can see the rudder detail:

The rudder was actually made from bits of the original kits thwarts and stern (instead of cutting some from styrene I have tried to use as much of the kit as possible). The brackets are 0.010 by 0.020 styrene and the tiller bar was made from some styrene tubing.

In reality these would have had canvas covers at sea.

The long painting and converting war continues...

CB

   
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Killer Klaivex







Magnificently done.


 
   
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Shadeglass Maze

The attention to detail is amazing!
   
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Armpit of NY

Good luck with your build. People may not realize the kit itself has a bit of history, too. The 1/72 Flower corvette was originally a Matchbox tooling in the mid 80s. When Matchbox got out of the plastic kit business, the molds were acquired by Revell and have been issued several times since. That included the 'Platinum' release with photoetch, and a lighted and motorized 'Technik' release.
   
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Surrey, BC - Canada

Thanks Ketara and RiTides

totalfailure wrote:Good luck with your build. People may not realize the kit itself has a bit of history, too. The 1/72 Flower corvette was originally a Matchbox tooling in the mid 80s. When Matchbox got out of the plastic kit business, the molds were acquired by Revell and have been issued several times since. That included the 'Platinum' release with photoetch, and a lighted and motorized 'Technik' release.

As totalfailure has pointed out, this basic kit was the Revell version, before they added all the photo etched parts.

I have been working on the Engine Casing Skylight. Again I followed the basic guidelines set out in Bob Pearson’s site, with some minor adjustments. The kit part has two few skylights and is too short and too high.

"Using [a] sheet styrene I cut two sides (2mm x 60mm) and two ends (32mm x 7mm). The end pieces then had the angle cut in place by centering a line at the middle of the top and connecting it to the side at 2mm height. The four pieces were then glued together and the sloping tops (17mm x 60mm) were added."Source Basic_Accurizing by Bob Pearson.

After following this I trimmed the corners 45 degrees to get a good join and added some gash styrene to be braces on the inside and had a completed base to work from.

The scuttle shutters were made of at base of 0.020 styrene rectangles of 7.5 mm by 9 mm and over these were added 0.010 styrene rectangles of 9 mm by 10.5 mm. Both sets had their corners cut to create the impression of a rounded corner and were glued together to make the scuttle shutters.

Skylight base on the left, scuttles above and the shutters below on the right. The scuttle shutters have been flipped over to show you what they look like underneath.

Then I added a small round disk of styrene created from cutting off a sliver of styrene tubing and standing it down to about 0.75 mm in height. You can see them in the image above before I glued them down. The hinges were made from 0.010 by 0.020 styrene strips.

With scuttles added and the start of the handles above:


Handles were made from staples, just regular staples bent with a pair of pliers and trimmed with a clipper. I traced a line on the scuttle shutters below the scuttle itself and then measured off for the holes. Drilled through with a pin-vice and inserted my handles, a little super glue inside and there we are.

Compared with the kit version on the left:

From the end as it will sit looking aft:

The kit part does not even have the correct number of scuttles.

Still need to work on the two mushroom vents that sat at each end.

The long painting and converting war continues...

CB

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drinking tea in the snow

This continues to be amazing! I like just how much the handles add to it.

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Interesting. How do "scuttles" relate to "Scuttling"?


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The Chopper looks prettty handy!

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Great bit of history and a real labor of love. Looking forward to seeing more.

 
   
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander





United States

I'm not sure if it's the same for Canadian warships, but US ships have what's called a 'breakaway' song that's played when underway replenishment is completed and the loaded vessel is moving away from the stores/supply ship. In my checkered past the ship I served on used 'The World Needs Guts' by Alice Cooper. I think the practice started in the mid-70's. Prior to that, the uploaded vessel would sound a special signal over the 1MC system to alert crew that the ship was preparing to make turns- and angle away at a fairly steep plane to avoid being rolled back at or into the supply ship.

This Chilliwack has a natural, built-in breakaway song- 'She's gone so long', by the Canadian music group Chilliwack from the early 80's!

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