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Space Bears should be Teddy Bears in 1950's space men gear..... a cross between these....



..... actual teddy bear toy soldiers and flash gordon space men.

If they give the apes options for bug-eyed heads and long, spindly fingers with laser-jewelry, then I suspect they could sell a bunch of them...
Personally, I'm just hoping that they are clothing-optional. Sword-and-sorcery and pulp-fiction ape-men tend to be more ape than man, and you can easily make them hairy enough to be 'modest'.

https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/new-ww2-set-panzer-lehr

A plastic set of WW2 German veterans is in the works, in non-poll-related news.

Lots of bits.

You can make plastic tank crewman eith these apparently, sweet.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
If they give the apes options for bug-eyed heads and long, spindly fingers with laser-jewelry, then I suspect they could sell a bunch of them...
Personally, I'm just hoping that they are clothing-optional. Sword-and-sorcery and pulp-fiction ape-men tend to be more ape than man, and you can easily make them hairy enough to be 'modest'.

Totally agree. I would prefer no clothes besides a few trinkets and trophies to break up the fur.

I hit “new replies” without remembering what the thread was about and ran right into Galahad’s post up there without context.


Anyway, the bodies for these guys look like they could work for all kinds of sc fi.

I feel like kitbashing these with the WW1 Germans might produce interesting results.

Holding out for WWIII Germans in full NATO and Warsaw pact ABC gear.

Then WWIV Germans with rags and scrap metal clubs.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Holding out for WWIII Germans in full NATO and Warsaw pact ABC gear.

Then WWIV Germans with rags and scrap metal clubs.

Would Raumjäger be WWV Germans in this scenario.

Woo-hoo. Plastic WW2 Germans. Finally a kit that needed to be made. Joy. Excitement.

Well, I only know of Artizan who make panzer lehr figures in 28mm, and those are metal. Though one could make the argument that maybe they aren't popular/desired enough, or that there weren't historically enough of them, to justify a plastic kit. Sure, it also makes regular tank crew, but again how many of those would you need? But there weren't a huge number of british riflemen, or a lot of battle with french partisans, and they made those.

This feels kind of like the Sister arguments all over again. We have to make more space marines (WW2 minis) because we know they sell, but this one tiny niche armor mark hasn’t been ported over to plastic yet. Sisters of Battle, Eldar, IG, and all the other stuff (Sci fi kits, historical kits that aren’t WW2, Napoleonics or Romans) can wait because no one buys them when we aren’t making them.

Fortunately, WA has Boxers and Aztecs coming. Hopefully the sales numbers will be big enough to encourage them to explore more times and places.
How did the Lizardmen sell? I had the impression they were pretty successful.

I don't think Romans are a good example for historical kits that don't have plastic alternatives.

 Galas wrote:
I don't think Romans are a good example for historical kits that don't have plastic alternatives.

No, I’m saying Romans are already well represented in plastic. I know I’ve got some from WGF, Warlord and Victrix. I’d love to get some Egyptians, African, Chinese, or early American historical sets.

What happened to the Napoleonic Spanish previewed many pages ago? Now that is one Napoleonic kit not available in plastic, and so should have some buyers.

And I'm with BobtheInquisitor on this. Can we get plastic historicals that are not from well-trodden paths? However, the question is will they sell? Bronze Age Sea Peoples might. If one produces the Sea Peoples, one should produce the Myceneans of the same period who lost (or whose civilization collapsed) due to the Sea Peoples. Probably New Kingdom Egyptians will sell. Aztecs and Incas; we'll see what happens with the WGA poll, but there seems to be interest. Not so sure about Persia's African and Near-Eastern tributaries. And I have no idea if there is interest for Indian (as in the subcontinent) armies such as the Mauryan Empire founded by Ashoka the Great, or the later Gupta Empire.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
What happened to the Napoleonic Spanish previewed many pages ago? Now that is one Napoleonic kit not available in plastic, and so should have some buyers.

And I'm with BobtheInquisitor on this. Can we get plastic historicals that are not from well-trodden paths? However, the question is will they sell? Bronze Age Sea Peoples might. If one produces the Sea Peoples, one should produce the Myceneans of the same period who lost (or whose civilization collapsed) due to the Sea Peoples. Probably New Kingdom Egyptians will sell. Aztecs and Incas; we'll see what happens with the WGA poll, but there seems to be interest. Not so sure about Persia's African and Near-Eastern tributaries. And I have no idea if there is interest for Indian (as in the subcontinent) armies such as the Mauryan Empire founded by Ashoka the Great, or the later Gupta Empire.

First question on the Spanish: still in the pipeline. They are being worked on.

Why not plastic Panzer Lehr, as well no models, just designs. At those point this may come out the end of this year or three years from now, it is just an announcement and in that time we are going see plastic French for both WW1 and 2.

Sounds like WW2 Germans are the historical version of 40K Space Marines- a new kit comes out and the griping commences. It's usually the exact same format of sarcastic comment, except "Space Marines" is replaced by "Germans".

Full disclosure- I don't care a fig about Space Marines or Germans- I just find the similarity of comments really interesting. There's some heavy evidence that Space Marines are vastly over represented, but are WW2 Germans really that similar in being a saturated market?

I'm really not a fan of Warlord's WW2 figures and the Perry stuff seems to only be Afrikakorps, so Wargames Atlantic making WW2 Germans is a win for me.

By now I would be much more interested to see WW1 Austrians (Austrian/Hungarian Landwehr, kuk Army, Bosnian Infantry, all in one kit), Italians and Russians

If there is one WW2 plastic kit that is long overdue, it would be Italians, considering they were one of the three main Axis nations, fought in all European and African theatres (Even Western Europe, if you count the brief French-Italian war).
You could put a variety of heads (I can think of at least five - standard M33 helmet, feathered Bersaglieri version, pith helmet, Alpini hat, and African auxiliaries) in the same kit and as an additional plus, their rather generic tunics and puttees can easily be proxied to represent other nations - Greeks, Romanians, Dutch or Hungarians, for example.

OTOH, I'll give it to WGA, they have consistently shown the determination to test uncharted waters with obscure historical kits, so I guess it's fair that they will also bring out tried and reliable topics, like WW2 Germans, every now and then.


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 Dr Mathias wrote:
Sounds like WW2 Germans are the historical version of 40K Space Marines- a new kit comes out and the griping commences. It's usually the exact same format of sarcastic comment, except "Space Marines" is replaced by "Germans".

Full disclosure- I don't care a fig about Space Marines or Germans- I just find the similarity of comments really interesting. There's some heavy evidence that Space Marines are vastly over represented, but are WW2 Germans really that similar in being a saturated market?

I think Warlord Games is the main culprit here. They have given us Blitzkrieg Germans, Veteran Germans, Waffen-SS Germans, airborne Germans, German Pioniers, Desert Germans, Winter Germans, Holiday Germans, doing-the-laundry-Germans...

and at the same time, not a single plastic kit for French, Italians or any minor nation.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
Sounds like WW2 Germans are the historical version of 40K Space Marines- a new kit comes out and the griping commences. It's usually the exact same format of sarcastic comment, except "Space Marines" is replaced by "Germans".

Full disclosure- I don't care a fig about Space Marines or Germans- I just find the similarity of comments really interesting. There's some heavy evidence that Space Marines are vastly over represented, but are WW2 Germans really that similar in being a saturated market?

I find this comment funny because it's 100% backwards - not only SM receive pretty much normal amount for what is two armies in one (regardless of what whining by people b-hurt their army they refuse to buy receives less than the one that sells would want you to believe - and if you really want to point at faction that received too much over last 6 years it would be Chaos, not SM, which just proves how dumb SM bashing is) but they still have glaring holes in their range.

As for WW2 germans, hahahaha, no. Just no. Asking if they are similar? Seriously? To put it in GW terms, GW would need to produce nothing but 4375723 versions of tactical squad - this one from the battle of Terra, this one from three months later (only difference being one pouch less on sprue), this one from two months prior as evidenced by slightly different tip of combat knife, this one from a year after that (difference being really obvious, namely different pattern on boot soles, etc, etc) - claiming it's the SM, not the historical "we want plastic kit week by week even though we already have month by month" nonsense is overrepresented is both sad and evidence how baseless screeching is toxic to the hobby, especially seeing people start to believe it instead of trashing it like the drivel it is...

I see H.B.M.C. wasn't wrong about you

 Irbis wrote:

 Dr Mathias wrote:
Sounds like WW2 Germans are the historical version of 40K Space Marines- a new kit comes out and the griping commences. It's usually the exact same format of sarcastic comment, except "Space Marines" is replaced by "Germans".

Full disclosure- I don't care a fig about Space Marines or Germans- I just find the similarity of comments really interesting. There's some heavy evidence that Space Marines are vastly over represented, but are WW2 Germans really that similar in being a saturated market?

I find this comment funny because it's 100% backwards - not only SM receive pretty much normal amount for what is two armies in one (regardless of what whining by people b-hurt their army they refuse to buy receives less than the one that sells would want you to believe - and if you really want to point at faction that received too much over last 6 years it would be Chaos, not SM, which just proves how dumb SM bashing is) but they still have glaring holes in their range.

As for WW2 germans, hahahaha, no. Just no. Asking if they are similar? Seriously? To put it in GW terms, GW would need to produce nothing but 4375723 versions of tactical squad - this one from the battle of Terra, this one from three months later (only difference being one pouch less on sprue), this one from two months prior as evidenced by slightly different tip of combat knife, this one from a year after that (difference being really obvious, namely different pattern on boot soles, etc, etc) - claiming it's the SM, not the historical "we want plastic kit week by week even though we already have month by month" nonsense is overrepresented is both sad and evidence how baseless screeching is toxic to the hobby, especially seeing people start to believe it instead of trashing it like the drivel it is...

Marines are overrepresented and always have been.
Other factions don't sell as well as Marines, because GW doesn't give them support anywhere close to Marines.
No matter how angry you get you won't change the fact these things are facts.

Darn

Now I'm all psycked for WWIII-VI Germans.

Cold War goes hot
Post apocalyptic savages
Reconquerors of the Barren Wastes
Off to the Stars!

Wonder if they'll do another open poll?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Darn

Now I'm all psycked for WWIII-VI Germans.

Cold War goes hot
Post apocalyptic savages
Reconquerors of the Barren Wastes
Off to the Stars!

Wonder if they'll do another open poll?

I think we already have a good proxy for WW VI Germans

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Darn

Now I'm all psycked for WWIII-VI Germans.

Cold War goes hot
Post apocalyptic savages
Reconquerors of the Barren Wastes
Off to the Stars!

Wonder if they'll do another open poll?

I am happy to inform you WA already makes not one but two versions of Space Germans

Angst surges and joke comments not withstanding I would like to add my pennies worth as to why Atlantic should make WW2 Germans.

Like others have said Third Reich forces are the space marines of historical plastics, though they should share that with Napoleonic French. Making either is a good idea as they are gateway products, just like space marines are. A plastic boxset of Wehrmacht grenadiers is all it takes, it would be nice to give the kit purpose and add more with heavy weapons officers etc. But thet first kit will unlock many doors as it will show up on the most common websearch for plastic wargaming kits that are not space marines.

I don't care that there are too many companies focusing on a handful of historical product lines, and I cant have much concern at this time which kits are bad and need alternatives and which kits dont. What maters is that Wargames Atlantic cant make space marines, so to get the widest coverage to get people seeing their wares the answer is simple. Just add Nazis, because gamers cant get enough of them, even if they already have enough of them.

With their not-Imperial Guard under their belt, some generic fantasy units and now Germans the chances are that any not company specific search for wargaming miniatures will lead people to the Wargaming Atlantic website. To serve their purpose these Germans need only barely exist, they don't actually need to be marketed much or sold in great numbers. Let the websearch criteria do its job and have the website ready to show how diverse a range Wargames Atlantic has. I cannot and will not criticise focusing on this particular set even if the faction is oversubscribed with manufacturers, it just makes sense, and maybe Wargames Atlantic will do a good job, learning from mistakes of other companies doing this faction.


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To add to this do you think it is a co-incidence that the first two kits they do are not-40K Napoleonic French and not-40K Wehrmacht.
How do you think this company hit our radar when many do not? They are not fools.

Even with modern sculpting and tool making technology plastic kits are an investment and every 'bad' choice of kit to focus on is one more missed opportunity. However in this case I disagree, going for cheap crowd pleasers manes more income and more opportunity to do something ecclectic like neo-Aztec cyborgs, spess werepigs or steampunk catgirls.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Well, I only know of Artizan who make panzer lehr figures in 28mm, and those are metal. Though one could make the argument that maybe they aren't popular/desired enough, or that there weren't historically enough of them, to justify a plastic kit. Sure, it also makes regular tank crew, but again how many of those would you need? But there weren't a huge number of british riflemen, or a lot of battle with french partisans, and they made those.

plastic Panzer Lehr is _fantastic_ news, as yeah, Artizan is the only company I know of that makes just-okay Panzer Lehr (and only a dozen sculpts or so).

The Panzer Lehr fought at several major engagements (Caen, Ardennes/Bulge/Bastogne, etc) and were exceedingly well-equipped - finally justifying people's panzergrenadier armies with all-half tracks and Panthers. The fact that they had different uniforms and jackets from all the other German troops has made it nearly impossible for basically all of wargaming history to represent them in 28mm (other than the limited selection of Artizan poses). The battles they fought in are some of the most exciting of the late war western front against American and British troops and they often fought to the bitter end, making these guys PERFECT for all of us WW2 scenario players.