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 Just Tony wrote:

Price listed on the chart I quoted was 100 pounds sterling, which slammed through six different currency converters came out to a pinch above $125, unless you have info that wasn't posted anywhere else in the thread that I saw.

Find something on the GW UK site that costs £100. Now look at the cost of it on your local site. That's how much the detachment box sets will cost.

You know, you may be wondering what sort of Doctorate I hold.

It’s actually a Doctorate in ‘Stating the bleeding obvious’.

Contrast Paints, released immediately before mass battle expansion. That’s no coincidence, that’s a battle station!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

See, as a game continues down the years, peeps collections will inevitably become larger, and we’ll at some point fancy an ‘everything and the kitchen sink’ game. GW’s previous issue, especially with 8th Ed Warhammer, was scaling the game toward those far larger engagements,

IIRC that was explicitly stated as the reason for the 2nd - 3rd edition change, and for doing that 3rd edition was excellent. At the end of 2nd, I was playing games with half a dozen Space Marine squads, a bike squadron, a couple of Land Raiders, dreadnoughts and on occasion a Thunderhawk Gunship - and those games took forever to play - mostly due to the rules for vehicles and jump packs.

If we ever see a fifth major 40k version (after 1st, 2nd, 3rd-7th and now 8th editions) it'll probably pull in ideas from Apocalypse and Kill Team.

I can't believe those sets are actually 100 quid or thereabouts. Lord help me on payday...

Has anyone calculated the savings in £ yet?

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I can't believe those sets are actually 100 quid or thereabouts. Lord help me on payday...

Has anyone calculated the savings in £ yet?

The RRP price of the boxes ranges from £145 to ~£170. The Space Marine box has the biggest discount, the Knights one the lowest (but still pretty good).

The contents are pretty cunning as well.

They've appeal to people with existing armies, as a cash effective way to bulk out a typical 40k army (bit of this, hint of that etc) into an Apocalypse Detachment (where one assumes you want lots of everything?).

And they've a clear appeal as army starter boxes. Sure, they don't have a great deal of variety in them, but for the savings, it's hard to say no, and none contain anything particularly undesirable in-game.

I just need to settle on one! Maybe it's time I stopped being difficult with myself, and just cracked on with my Necrons again?

 xttz wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I can't believe those sets are actually 100 quid or thereabouts. Lord help me on payday...

Has anyone calculated the savings in £ yet?

The RRP price of the boxes ranges from £145 to ~£170. The Space Marine box has the biggest discount, the Knights one the lowest (but still pretty good).

Ah cheers, I read further back in the thread and must have missed this.

I don't really have much use for any of the Eldar there, although it would be tempting to pick up more Wraith units...

It's funny that these boxes seem almost designed to not quite fit into any of my existing armies:

I'd have picked up the Marine box if it had more variety, such as Hellblasters.
I may have picked the Eldar box if it wasn't for the near-identical Ghost Warriors set I already bought a few years ago. Still haven't painted the Wraithknight...
The AdMech box would appeal if that had more variety (i.e. Manipulus, Kataphrons or Dragoons). I definitely don't need more Domini or datasmiths.
The Knights would be much more appealing if the Dominus was a dual-kit, as I'm way more interested in the Valiant than Castellan.
I have a million Tyranids already, there's literally nothing useful left to buy until new stuff is out.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I can't believe those sets are actually 100 quid or thereabouts. Lord help me on payday...

Has anyone calculated the savings in £ yet?

The RRP price of the boxes ranges from £145 to ~£170. The Space Marine box has the biggest discount, the Knights one the lowest (but still pretty good).

Ah cheers, I read further back in the thread and must have missed this.

I don't really have much use for any of the Eldar there, although it would be tempting to pick up more Wraith units...

Ditto. I've got 20 wraithguard and 3 wraithlords already, I don't need more. But I do fancy another spiritseer, and the savings are hard to pass up. I mean, if I'm going to buy the spiritseer eventually when he's released separately anyway, the savings on all the wraiths start to look better still!

Well made some calculations. If I can get from UK with free shipping like I was able to get AT battle group(but generally rare for bigger boxes) this is must have. If not I can get cheaper getting wraiths & tomb blades on own separate, dda from GW and skip the useless cryptek compared to buying big box here. What remains to be seen is how much shipping adds if it's not free.

If I can get free shipping at 15%+ off then 2 of necron ones is pretty much given. Made already funny mad max speedy list with dda, 18 tomb blades and 18 wraiths plus misc stuff

 Bellerophon wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I can't believe those sets are actually 100 quid or thereabouts. Lord help me on payday...

Has anyone calculated the savings in £ yet?

The RRP price of the boxes ranges from £145 to ~£170. The Space Marine box has the biggest discount, the Knights one the lowest (but still pretty good).

Ah cheers, I read further back in the thread and must have missed this.

I don't really have much use for any of the Eldar there, although it would be tempting to pick up more Wraith units...

Ditto. I've got 20 wraithguard and 3 wraithlords already, I don't need more. But I do fancy another spiritseer, and the savings are hard to pass up. I mean, if I'm going to buy the spiritseer eventually when he's released separately anyway, the savings on all the wraiths start to look better still!

Stop it! You're only giving me reasons to get this purely for the spiritseer

Actually tempted by the Tyranid MCs, I could always use some big beasties to add to my old army...

Looks like some staff member found an old copy of Epic Armageddon, and got the idea to spruce it up for 28mm scale.

Not a bad idea, a sneaky way to release an updated version of Epic, do it with the already existing 28mm model range. It would cost far too much to do 6mm Epic versions of the current full range. Back when Epic Armageddon was released Marines had very few units (tactical, Scout, Assault, Devastator, Terminator, Bikes, Dreadnought, Rhino, Attack bike, Landspeeder, Landraider, Hunter, Whirlwind, Command, Razorback, and Predator). 16 units on total. Even without Primaris Marines the range has ballooned and it would be too risky for GW to invest in a whole new scale.

So this is a good compromise, and I will admit it is tempting me to dust off my collection. Will be most definitely watching this to see how it develops, bit so far it seems to have a lot of good things going for it, alterative activations, damage applied at the end of a turn, D12, and rules lifted from Epic Armageddon.

tempted by the space marine box myself, I mean I've got ltos of Primaris but I'm tempted to snag em, and hold onto the box until the blood raven index comes out and explain my blood ravens with a new company if GW expands on company markings etc

I'll be picking up the Ork box I think.

Also tempted by the guard box. Not that I play guard. But I can ally them in for something a little different.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s....it’s....

It’s Epic Armageddon. It is. It Bloody Is. Except with Epic Space Marine’s orders?

I think I may be sold!

When I saw the detachments I was kinda expecting as much. I do love me some Epic 40k myself, but well... I already have it, and Epic minis

I mean... it's very interesting to see this, but, again... 40k minis to play Epic? I am not that much of a masochist.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s....it’s....

It’s Epic Armageddon. It is. It Bloody Is. Except with Epic Space Marine’s orders?

I think I may be sold!

When I saw the detachments I was kinda expecting as much. I do love me some Epic 40k myself, but well... I already have it, and Epic minis

I mean... it's very interesting to see this, but, again... 40k minis to play Epic? I am not that much of a masochist.

Yeah. In epic 100+ cm moves wasn't impossible and quite useful at times. Scaled up in 28mm...how you expec to get such long moves when board is filled shoulder to shoulder with models?

tneva82 wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s....it’s....

It’s Epic Armageddon. It is. It Bloody Is. Except with Epic Space Marine’s orders?

I think I may be sold!

When I saw the detachments I was kinda expecting as much. I do love me some Epic 40k myself, but well... I already have it, and Epic minis

I mean... it's very interesting to see this, but, again... 40k minis to play Epic? I am not that much of a masochist.

Yeah. In epic 100+ cm moves wasn't impossible and quite useful at times. Scaled up in 28mm...how you expec to get such long moves when board is filled shoulder to shoulder with models?

And the fact you’ll need a large board otherwise you’re setting up with a 24” no mans land between your forces.

Still a bit warry of all the cards. Not sure if it’s a deckbuilding thing, or simply adding more options to what you can do. D12s looks like they are done right, giving more range of options, which is what you need when you have grots and titans on the same table.

Bit disapointed in the boxes for the armies I play.
The Eldar one is just two start collecting boxes stuck together, with the farseers and war walkers replaced with the spirit seer and another squad of wraithguard. If you want wraith units, there is already an easy way to get them at a discount.
I was just telling my son that I wasn’t going to pick up a box of intercessors becasue at some point they are going to be bundled in a boxset I want. I could probably use another 10-15. 30 is a bit much. I’ve already got 15 for my Ultras. Adding that many is going to be like filling out the 5th and 6th tac squads for my battle comapny. Looks nice on the shelf, but how often do you need them? The fact that I don’t care for the look of the dread and already have the captain puts the nail into it.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You know, you may be wondering what sort of Doctorate I hold.

It’s actually a Doctorate in ‘Stating the bleeding obvious’.

Contrast Paints, released immediately before mass battle expansion. That’s no coincidence, that’s a battle station!

This made me snort out loud at work

On topic: I never played epic and I'm far away of owning enough models to even consider playing the new epic...epoc..apic...apocalypse, but still I think it's a great idea to scale upwards and I hope that some ideas will carry over to regular 40k

Epoclypse?

Epocalypse is acceptable Well done, have a cookie

What I'm liking about this is, so far as we can tell, it's better suited to 'bunch of mates pooling their armies', rather than 'every desperately trying to fend off Davey Deep Pockets, who bought an Apoc specific army of ming'.

So whilst we now have, well, let's call it an excuse, to collect an 'uuuuge army? It's looking less necessary than in previous versions of Apocalypse. Super Heavies and Forgeworld are of course still desirable. But SAT and SAP means we don't necessarily need specific, dedicated counters.

This opinion is of course currently based on very limited info. But the SAP and SAT is encouraging.

BrianDavion wrote:I imagine the 160 is taking into account the useal "tax" GW arbitrarily makes non brits pay

xttz wrote:Go look up the GBP price of the Knight Castellan on the UK site, then check the USD price on the USA site...

AndrewGPaul wrote:Find something on the GW UK site that costs £100. Now look at the cost of it on your local site. That's how much the detachment box sets will cost.

Damn, I guess I forgot about the Yankee fee.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
desperately trying to fend off Davey Deep Pockets, who bought an Apoc specific army of ming

I really hope that the 'free downloadable rules' means that they get reviewed and tweaked from time to time. Not so much on the same level of detail as Chapter Approved balances points, but to clean up any grievous outliers that was virtually every superheavy unit in 6E/7E Apoc. You could bring a Stompa or Hierophant on one side, while the other team could field an Imperial or Eldar titan for less points, with better shields and Destroyer weapons that auto-delete any unit they're pointed at.

One of the issues is FW compared to Studio.

My Ordinatus, on paper, was sick. Thanks to how it's shield worked in 7th Ed (and indeed in Heresy), you simply could not one shot it, even with a Strength D weapon. See, first turn? -3 to weapon S, or -3 on the Strength D chart. Then -2, and -1 in subsequent turns.

Given how slow that version of Apoc played, it was virtually guaranteed to survive the game.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/06/18/faction-focus-chaos-space-marines-2gw-homepage-post-4/

From Abaddon's special rule we can infer that saves are taken at the end of the round and usually on a D6 vs large blasts and D12 vs small blasts. It remains to be seen how much stuff you remove for each failed save (I would guess 1 tank or 5 mandudes)

Maybe I missed it, but do they have a release date for when the packs of minis will be available?

 Necros wrote:
Maybe I missed it, but do they have a release date for when the packs of minis will be available?

Pre-order is June 29th, so in stores on July 6th

Yeah, I just read the subject line :p Too early in the morning for reading...

Must admit I was pretty hyped for this but I must admit I'm a little disappointed/worried that some of the plasma weapons look a little too jack of all trades again. Suppose it was bound to happen with the design of primaris.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/06/18/faction-focus-chaos-space-marines-2gw-homepage-post-4/

From Abaddon's special rule we can infer that saves are taken at the end of the round and usually on a D6 vs large blasts and D12 vs small blasts. It remains to be seen how much stuff you remove for each failed save (I would guess 1 tank or 5 mandudes)

Good spot! Managed to miss that last time.

I think each failed save will do a wound for a smol marker - that's because the Primaris unit is listed as 5 dudes, but with two wounds. Large blast may simply make the save that much harder?


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Reckon I'm going Chaos, lads! Really like the look of the boxed set.