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 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Does anybody else find it funny that the enormous transhuman in a suit of power armour still wears a leather glove in order for his bird to sit on his arm?

its so the bird is comfy, obviously.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Does anybody else find it funny that the enormous transhuman in a suit of power armour still wears a leather glove in order for his bird to sit on his arm?

That might be more for the bird’s comfort than his; ceramite can’t be comfortable on delicate talon-pads…



(Seriously, falconers and other raptor-keepers provide padded perches for a reason.)

SW, BA & DA are too different from other SM to be in just a codex supplement come on... We're not talking about a few rules and a few characters : those three chapter each have a good and healthy list of unique units, plus many characters.

I get that xenos are lagging behind in terms of release, but in terms of actual gameplay they are not. Most xenos codexes are great and most armies are in a good place right now, minus maybe Eldar who need an update in some of their kits that's for sure. This is not the case for SM who are a bit lackluster in my opinion.

Don't want to offend the Machine Spirit.

It’s just something that hasn’t been modelled in the past.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I feel like Black Templars really aren't as divergent as people make them out to be. A big part of their schtick is:
a) No Librarians
b) Emperor's Champions
c) Crusader Squads

That's three things plus the actual traits, all of which just affect unit selections.

Which makes them at least three times as divergent as the ultramarines, the literal poster boys for the codex itself, and they get a book.

The Victrix Guard beg to differ with you.
Tyrannic War Veterans beg to differ with you.

They’re also way more divergent than the Imperial Fists so rolling them in together isn’t really viable unless you want the supplement to be almost as big as a regular codex.

This is, of course, also just you assuming that every single book won't have signature units or the like...which would be silly since:

Codex: Space Marines has everything you need to play with an army of gene-enhanced super-soldiers, and each of the supplements offers you additional, Chapter-specific datasheets and thematic rules that emphasise their unique heritage and the genetic legacy of their Primarch.

So yeah. Expect a Sons of Dorn book.

I am sick and tired of mech with unprotected pilots. It’s obvious that the inspiration is Aliens (with Matrix and Avatar going the same path, and ofc Dreadknights). The problem is that the loader in alien is that it’s basically a forklift on legs. It’s civilian, so of course the pilot is not protected from military hazards..

Messiah wrote:
I am sick and tired of mech with unprotected pilots. It’s obvious that the inspiration is Aliens (with Matrix and Avatar going the same path, and ofc Dreadknights). The problem is that the loader in alien is that it’s basically a forklift on legs. It’s civilian, so of course the pilot is not protected from military hazards..

He's not unprotected. He's wearing power armor.

And it's not modeled off the Aliens loader. All of GW's designs come entirely from their designers' heads with no outside influences. They said so in a court of law, so it must be true.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I feel like Black Templars really aren't as divergent as people make them out to be. A big part of their schtick is:
a) No Librarians
b) Emperor's Champions
c) Crusader Squads

That's three things plus the actual traits, all of which just affect unit selections.

And I remember when all marines could have Emperor's Champions. It was probably in the third edition.

 insaniak wrote:

Messiah wrote:
I am sick and tired of mech with unprotected pilots. It’s obvious that the inspiration is Aliens (with Matrix and Avatar going the same path, and ofc Dreadknights). The problem is that the loader in alien is that it’s basically a forklift on legs. It’s civilian, so of course the pilot is not protected from military hazards..

He's not unprotected. He's wearing power armor.

He it's not modeled off the aliens loader. All of GW's designs come entirely from their designers' heads with no outside influences. They said so in a court of law, so it must be true.

We haven't seen it's stats yet either.

WhiteDog wrote:
SW, BA & DA are too different from other SM to be in just a codex supplement come on... We're not talking about a few rules and a few characters : those three chapter each have a good and healthy list of unique units, plus many characters.

I don't have a DA or SW dex, but the BA book has a lot of stuff that's repeating what is in the regular SM one. A quick flick though got me to 35 pages of duplicate info in just the datasheets section. Weapon stats and fluff could probably add another ten pages to that. Its all speculation of course, but I could see them getting a supplement with a larger page count.

Dudeface wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:
I think it's kinda insulting for other Xeno factions. I'm happy that Marines get an updated codex after 2 years (this sets a precedent for other codices updates I think) but the mere release of even new Marine models after only FIVE MONTHS from the last marine release whilst neglecting all Xenos factions that have received NOTHING in the last few years apart from their Codex is braindead at best.

What were the Genestealer Cults, the various Ork Buggies and the plastic Spiritseer then?

The minimarines are done for, so they need to rapidly get the line to the state where it can reasonably function as Primaris only.

You call a "Plastic Spiritseer" (released a year ago and remember it's a SINGLE MODEL) release something worthwhile for Xenos? Shall I remember you how many Space Marines releases happened in the last 2 years? I honestly lost the count and this feels pathetic for both Marine and Non-Marine players.

2. Including this one. If you include chaos marines - 3. Excluding death guard since they're a diverse enough faction in terms of models and stats lines not to just be 'more marines'.

chaos Marines aren't just "more marines" they're a distinct faction. sure they have a similer root but calling them "more marines" is frankly silly. the fact is the only new model marines got since the launch of 8th has been a single unit. which ain't much. I understand people's frustration here but claiming all GW ever releases for 8th edition is Marines is dumb.

it gets even stupider when they push their heads up their rectums and declare "IF IT HAS A HUMAN IN POWER ARMOR IT'S MARINES!"


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on another note, the lack of any suprssor preview has me a bit 0.o.

GW's said that every primaris unit from shadowspear will be getting a release but.. no supressors

Thanks to Scorpio for the image, all I can think when I see the new AliensMarine.

I wonder if running full Primaris will actually be viable now.

In any case, I'm not quite sure about the hover rhino. I like that they continued with the grav tank theme but the back section looks a tad weird. It is like a pick up truck. I hope that there's an enclosed variant.

Nobody:

GW: ENDLESS SPELLS FOR 40K!

That roll cage on the dreadnought looks absolutely HIDEOUS. It looks like it's ready to play some robot football. What's with the foam padding?

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Does anybody else find it funny that the enormous transhuman in a suit of power armour still wears a leather glove in order for his bird to sit on his arm?

Probably for the birds comfort. Better grip than ceramite for talons.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I feel like Black Templars really aren't as divergent as people make them out to be. A big part of their schtick is:
a) No Librarians
b) Emperor's Champions
c) Crusader Squads

That's three things plus the actual traits, all of which just affect unit selections.

Some of the stuff they had used to make them more divergent, but has since been given to all Space Marine chapters, like the Land Raider Crusader.

I'm trying to remember back to the Black Templars codex and things that made them different. The one that jumps out at me is the vows that they used to take. IIRC at the start of the game the BT player would choose a vow that had some benefit and some downside, but I don't really remember and my BT codex isn't at hand.

I do agree that I don't think the Black Templars need a whole codex. A whole lot can be done with a few pages of rules in some other supplement. I think that some of the problems BT players are having are more that generic chainsword marines aren't doing that well, and if those units get fixed then I think BT might be fixed as well.

Yup, that's my next conversion sorted...

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I feel like Black Templars really aren't as divergent as people make them out to be. A big part of their schtick is:
a) No Librarians
b) Emperor's Champions
c) Crusader Squads

That's three things plus the actual traits, all of which just affect unit selections.

Some of the stuff they had used to make them more divergent, but has since been given to all Space Marine chapters, like the Land Raider Crusader.

I'm trying to remember back to the Black Templars codex and things that made them different. The one that jumps out at me is the vows that they used to take. IIRC at the start of the game the BT player would choose a vow that had some benefit and some downside, but I don't really remember and my BT codex isn't at hand.

I do agree that I don't think the Black Templars need a whole codex. A whole lot can be done with a few pages of rules in some other supplement. I think that some of the problems BT players are having are more that generic chainsword marines aren't doing that well, and if those units get fixed then I think BT might be fixed as well.

also there's a lot of divergance aspects that are hugely major that don't really have anything in table top at play

 Overread wrote:

 gainsay wrote:

 Zuri Prime wrote:
Not too excited about the supplements, looks like a needless cash grab.

Not going to lap this one up like some other are, GW is returning to its greedy roots.

They literally said no more managing tuns of books at the launch of 8th. Now its just as bad as 7th. Idk why players are so loyal to such a terrible game system.

Because:

1) GW continues to make top end models

2) The Lore is one of the richest and deepest of any of the other wargames. Heck you can spend a fortune and spend years reading codex, rule books, battletomes and novels from BL.

3) The artwork inspires peoples imaginations

4) GW is big and popular - big thing this - so you can collect for the two main games and pretty much travel anywhere and if there's a game club that plays miniature wargames they will likely play 40K and AoS (bit weaker on AoS but its growing super fast)

Gotta love convincing yourself you're not getting ripped off.

 Overread wrote:

 gainsay wrote:
Wtf is going on with some of these marine models. That dread is really silly. I think after 20+ years of collecting marines im done with the range. I've never been a primaris basher but some of these are corny af. Also tired of the annoying money grabs with these books.

The new Dread is clearly someone watching Aliens with the loader VS alien queen scene and then adding some ranged guns to it

Granted that's about 20-30 years late but better late than never - and it can now fight a tervigon! A Tryanid Queen (well closest we'll get unless GW throws us a Norn Queen)

??Dreadknight:"wait,what about me?"

that new baby(it called "Invictor Tactical Warsuit") not a Power loader from Aliens/Alien 2,but a APU from Matrix AND AMP from Avatar.

Voss wrote:

 gainsay wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I'm curious about the "redacted" supplements. If its just the existing variant chapters(BA, DA, SW and DW) why bother hiding them? Including the White Scars book would take up all five. Yet we know that an IH character is inbound so chances are good they will get there own book as well.

Im going to laugh when is like White Scars, Fists, Salamanders and DA, BA, SW players flip.

Not sure what you mean. It _is_ going to be Scars, Iron Hands, Fists, Ravens and Sallies. The Scars supplement is in the article, and the IH Forge Father (or whatever) has been lurking around for months.
I'd expect the Fists one to come alongside the upgrade sprue that was stashed in the Xmas box, and probably a Primarized Lysander or someone.


The angels and wolves have their own respective codex for their wacky stuff, and can refer to the new book for all the datasheets. So they're effectively 'supplements' already.

I mean exactly what I wrote. The prime marine faction players complaining just like they do every time the ultras get stuff this year.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Also, if you cant handle 9 distinct chapter variations of extra rules, its probably a good indication you should never get into HH lmao. Its not hard to remember what color marine does what.

Instead of being condescending maybe look at the issue as it stands in 40k perhaps? Where literally any chapter can have any chapter tactics applied to it, so those Blue SMs could be White Scars for rules purposes one day and actually Ultramarines the next, and someone else's could be Imperial Fists. Get it? Can I do the snobbish "lmao" now?

And any opponent worth playing against would gladly inform you of what chapter their custom painted one is a descendant from, so Im not really seeing a point. Thats a pretty common practice.

Personally the Invictor reminds me more of this...

 CodeKantorBlue wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:
With a little bit of luck, the Imperial Fist codex will also talks about Crimson Fist and Black Templars ?

Hopefully. Imperial Fists are long overdue a codex discussing them and their successors.

Additionally some Imperial Fists/Crimson Fists moulded chapter badge shoulder pads please. Like the ones they released with the Xmas Battleforce box and never got round to adding as a separately purchasable upgrade sprue. Perhaps with the new Primaris options and the Shoulder pads with the quarter circle undercuts they are making a new upgrade design. I hope so.

Lastly, Primaris'd Pedro Kantor and Alessio Cortez please.

As a fists player I really hope we get the primaris upgrades and decal sheets. Im hoping all these codex's have a hero model like the scars with the releases.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:
SW, BA & DA are too different from other SM to be in just a codex supplement come on... We're not talking about a few rules and a few characters : those three chapter each have a good and healthy list of unique units, plus many characters.

I don't have a DA or SW dex, but the BA book has a lot of stuff that's repeating what is in the regular SM one. A quick flick though got me to 35 pages of duplicate info in just the datasheets section. Weapon stats and fluff could probably add another ten pages to that. Its all speculation of course, but I could see them getting a supplement with a larger page count.

I agree, there are enough shared units that you can easily have a primary Marine codex and a Supplement for each Chapter to include their unique rules and units.

My money is on the previewed 6 supplements being the following:
-UM & White Scars as we've seen including models for Tiggy and Khan
-Iron hands with Tech marine model
-Raven Guard with Shrike
-Salamanders with Vulkan
-Imperial Fists, Crimson Fists & BTs with a character or 2

Once those are out GW could and 100% should start releasing BA, DA & SW supplements. But since those currently have Codices, they aren't immediately needed .
At most these would only have 5-10 more pages on content for all the unique units.

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WhiteDog wrote:
Also a new event the "psychic awakening" is coming. What do you guys think it might be ?

Endless Spells for 40K.

I genuinely can't get over the fact that so many people online seem to unironically like the sidearm thing on the not-dread.

It's bizarre.

And of course now someone will do the whole "hurr durr haterz gunna hate stop ragin' grandpa you mad lul" routine, but for real, I'm not angry, just baffled. It's pure basement-tier memery. Uncut cringe.

 Galef wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:
SW, BA & DA are too different from other SM to be in just a codex supplement come on... We're not talking about a few rules and a few characters : those three chapter each have a good and healthy list of unique units, plus many characters.

I don't have a DA or SW dex, but the BA book has a lot of stuff that's repeating what is in the regular SM one. A quick flick though got me to 35 pages of duplicate info in just the datasheets section. Weapon stats and fluff could probably add another ten pages to that. Its all speculation of course, but I could see them getting a supplement with a larger page count.

I agree, there are enough shared units that you can easily have a primary Marine codex and a Supplement for each Chapter to include their unique rules and units.

My money is on the previewed 6 supplements being the following:
-UM & White Scars as we've seen including models for Tiggy and Khan
-Iron hands with Tech marine model
-Raven Guard with Shrike
-Salamanders with Vulkan
-Imperial Fists, Crimson Fists & BTs with a character or 2

Once those are out GW could and 100% should start releasing BA, DA & SW supplements. But since those currently have Codices, they aren't immediately needed .
At most these would only have 5-10 more pages on content for all the unique units.

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The Dark Angels have two specific land speeders, two specific flyers, a specific termi champion, a specific termi apothecary, a specific termi ancient, a specific terminator unit, specific weapon load out for termi, two specific HQ (Ravenwing Talonmaster and investigator chaplain), a specific bike unit, a specific bike ancient, apothecary and champion, and 6 specific characters.... How do you even compare this to the imperial fist, or the black templar ? And how does that fit into 5 pages ?
And I think Space Wolves have even more than that.