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 Kirasu wrote:
It is pretty funny that no chapter except WS and UM can use their Unique characters when the codex is released. Hopefully this wasnt an "oversight" or the last chapter could be waiting quite a while if we're doing 2 a month.

Of course someone will say "...but the index". Well that's a pretty absurd idea too, you telling me that its acceptable that we have to go BACK to a book that was made obsolete years ago in order to use previous versions of characters? lol.. also those characters dont have the Angels of Death rule.

From the Warhammer 40,000 Facebook page:

Warhammer 40,000 wrote:Special characters and units that aren't yet covered in their own supplement (such as Captain Lysander or Crusader Squads) will be included in a free PDF which will be available alongside the release of the new Codex, so you won't need to wait to use these models.

Oh, that is really nice!

I wonder if the free PDF will be the currently existing rules or a 'sneak peek'?

This is great news.

But it does also imply that the release of suppliments might be spread out over a long time.

Pardon me if I've missed it, but the way I'm hearing things is that named characters are exclusive to the supplement books? And not only that, certain units like Honour Guard and Chapter Ancients are too? Meaning, if say, you had Calgar, Lysander, Shrike, you'd need the main codex + 3 supplements to use them?

Yes.

Every Supplement is characters and some signature units.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yes.

Every Supplement is characters and some signature units.

This is looking worse and worse on my wallet... I have all the characters except Tiggy...

Theory Crafted "That's a lot of damage" List.

Chapter = UM
Bat 1
HQ
Super Calgar (Warlord)
Super Tiggy
Troop
3x5 Infiltrators (or scouts if points run out)
3x6 Aggressors (Bolt+Frag)
1x Primaris Ancient (Relic Banner)
1x Primaris Apothecary
1x6 Centurion Devastators (Grav Cannon and amp, Hurricane Bolters)

Bat 2
HQ
Primaris Captain (Master-Crafted Auto Bolt Rifle, Power Sword Relic)
Primaris Lieutenant (Relic Auto Bolt Rifle)
3x5 Infiltrators (or scouts if points run out)
+other stuff (not sure if this has hit 2k points yet)

You should probably save points going for a regular Apothecary.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
You should probably save points going for a regular Apothecary.

Yeah I know but I like the attack and wounds for more protection against snipers or dmg.

ThatMG wrote:
Theory Crafted "That's a lot of damage" List.

Chapter = UM
Bat 1
HQ
Super Calgar (Warlord)
Super Tiggy
Troop
3x5 Infiltrators (or scouts if points run out)
3x6 Aggressors (Bolt+Frag)
1x Primaris Ancient (Relic Banner)
1x Primaris Apothecary
1x6 Centurion Devastators (Grav Cannon + AMP)

Bat 2
HQ
Primaris Captain (Master-Crafted Auto Bolt Rifle, Power Sword Relic)
Primaris Lieutenant (Relic Auto Bolt Rifle)
3x5 Infiltrators (or scouts if points run out)
+other stuff (not sure if this has hit 2k points yet)

Based on the old Tiggy price i think you're about 270 points over the 2k with all of that stuff. With 6 units of scouts, you're about 50-60 points under the 2k.

That list could surely bring the hurt, but all your firepower is concentrated in 18 aggressors and 6 centurions. If your opponent has a decent amount of high AP mid/high damage weapons, you will soon find yourself with a lot of support elements for no one to support.

Kdash wrote:

Spoiler:

ThatMG wrote:
Theory Crafted "That's a lot of damage" List.

Chapter = UM
Bat 1
HQ
Super Calgar (Warlord)
Super Tiggy
Troop
3x5 Infiltrators (or scouts if points run out)
3x6 Aggressors (Bolt+Frag)
1x Primaris Ancient (Relic Banner)
1x Primaris Apothecary
1x6 Centurion Devastators (Grav Cannon + AMP)

Bat 2
HQ
Primaris Captain (Master-Crafted Auto Bolt Rifle, Power Sword Relic)
Primaris Lieutenant (Relic Auto Bolt Rifle)
3x5 Infiltrators (or scouts if points run out)
+other stuff (not sure if this has hit 2k points yet)

Based on the old Tiggy price i think you're about 270 points over the 2k with all of that stuff. With 6 units of scouts, you're about 50-60 points under the 2k.

I am sure infiltrators went down in points and so did the grav weapons (significantly.) Update: I kinda see I need to drop infiltrators you most likely don't need many, for scouts instead.

Spoletta wrote:
That list could surely bring the hurt, but all your firepower is concentrated in 18 aggressors and 6 centurions. If your opponent has a decent amount of high AP mid/high damage weapons, you will soon find yourself with a lot of support elements for no one to support.

Making your enemy only wound on a 4+ is also a thing.
An when they die, they have a 50/50 chance to shoot the enemy due to banner.
Aggressors are 3 wounds cents are 4 wounds.
Turn 1 is sit back, turn 2 is ROLL-OUT in the doctrine for "count as stationary if moved"
Also this list reminds me for The human faction from starcraft for some reason....

Considering Reivers, maybe I am mistaken, but are they the same cost or they dropped to 16 points base? I have hard time focusing on GMG review.
I think that grapnel launcher stayed the same though (2 pts)

If regular marines dropped to 12, did bikers drop also?

Reivers are 16 yes. I think it was only Tacks that dropped but am not sure, no idea why they were singled out!

 RandyMcStab wrote:
Reivers are 16 yes. I think it was only Tacks that dropped but am not sure, no idea why they were singled out!

Tacs and Assault Marines are now 12 base, I'm not sure what Jump Pack AMs are now, though.

Cool glad to hear Ass marines went down (that is going to get taken out of context). I heard that Devs were the same (which is inexplicable).

Taken from the usual French forum, price costs.
I have reworked the originally dark and blurry images.
Now that unit names and some equipment names are not translated anymore, it should be straightforward.
Feel free to ask if a translation is needed.

Danny76 wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
Suppressors are the same. They do benefit from devastator doctrine on turn one, if you like that sort of thing. Downside is they can’t be bought anywhere outside shadowspear.

Listen carefully: Starter set Intercessors + Marine Jump Packs + FW autocannons (or sentinel autocannon). You can make them for less than actual Suppressors, and they look SO much better.

Anyone got any pictures of those?
Sounds like they could be good..

Here is my very first one from a few months ago. Before paint. https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/1006931-.html?m=2

So reivers for 18 pts with grapnel launcher vs intercessor hmmm. Now it has sense that bolt carbines did not get assault 3. You trade 1 shot and troop role for deepstrike, terror troops and free vertical move. Interesting

Ravajaxe, thank for the pic's. The listing for bikes it a bit blurry can you tell if the cost is 23 or 21? Looks like Attack bikes went down 2 points.

Gnollu wrote:
So reivers for 18 pts with grapnel launcher vs intercessor hmmm. Now it has sense that bolt carbines did not get assault 3. You trade 1 shot and troop role for deepstrike, terror troops and free vertical move. Interesting

Which is a crap tradeoff. Morale gimmicks suck and Vanguard would be able to Fly and do the same thing.

Chaplains were so useless that my knowledge of their points was so bad that I thought at 77 points they got a price drop lol.

Just a heads up, apparently the characters from the old codex will be getting updated in a PDF so you can keep playing your army.

Chaplains are still @ 72 points. ;-)

Based on the review by WintersSEO, they have gone completely overboard with the special rules.

All marine units apparently have +1 attack in the first round of combat in addition to bolter drill and have the ability to choose whether to withdraw from combat.

I'm legitimately scared to run any kind of Ork unit other than Meganobs or a 30 blob into most primaris units. That is outrageous close combat ability. Combined with bolter drill and the tactical doctrines allowing for -1 AP everywhere, I could see entire blobs of orks being vaporized by basic boltgun fire. The resulting close combat ability from Ork boys would be pretty embarrassing against a 3 attack unit of basic intercessors with 2 wounds each. Trukk boys RIP. I wouldnt dare run 12 boys into even a primaris combat squad.

When is this smorgasbord of special rules coming to Dark Angels? I know were going to have access to the new primaris models but I want that free +1 attack. Too easy.

Anyone who can understand that stuff, how much does a fully kitted Invictor War Suit cost in points? Sorry to keep asking, just won’t get my hands on the codex for a little while, and not sure when BattleScribe will update.

 TedNugent wrote:
Based on the review by WintersSEO, they have gone completely overboard with the special rules.

All marine units apparently have +1 attack in the first round of combat in addition to bolter drill and have the ability to choose whether to withdraw from combat.

I'm legitimately scared to run any kind of Ork unit other than Meganobs or a 30 blob into most primaris units. That is outrageous close combat ability. Combined with bolter drill and the tactical doctrines allowing for -1 AP everywhere, I could see entire blobs of orks being vaporized by basic boltgun fire. The resulting close combat ability from Ork boys would be pretty embarrassing against a 3 attack unit of basic intercessors with 2 wounds each. Trukk boys RIP. I wouldnt dare run 12 boys into even a primaris combat squad.

That's the case already though. Even 30 slugga boys bounce off a unit of 10 infiltrators/intercessors. Those extra attacks just make it an even worse idea to charge them.

Just don't bring boyz near a primaris shooting castle - capture objectives, force them to move and shot them to bits.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Anyone who can understand that stuff, how much does a fully kitted Invictor War Suit cost in points? Sorry to keep asking, just won’t get my hands on the codex for a little while, and not sure when BattleScribe will update.

If im doing the math correctly, and Incendium Invictor clocks in at 131 points.