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**Hulksmash**

Tiberius501 wrote:
Anyone who can understand that stuff, how much does a fully kitted Invictor War Suit cost in points? Sorry to keep asking, just won’t get my hands on the codex for a little while, and not sure when BattleScribe will update.

Looks like 136.

Base - 90
Autocannon - 20
Iron Hails - 6 (12)
Heavy Bolter - 10
Fragstorm - 4

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Last poster is right about the flamer one. It's 5pts cheaper.

**Tiberius501**

Awesome thanks heaps guys. Now I just need to work out if I want the autocannon or flamer, but I’m leaning towards the autocannon for a little bit of anti-elite/anti-light vehicle support.

**Elbows**

I haven't read the full codex (obviously) but I'm pretty sure he has a 12" flamer and can infiltrate 9" away from the opposing force? (i.e....stupidly good)

**Tiberius501**

Yeah that’s very true, thinking about it, it just seems better than the autocannon actually. I’m not really much of a math hammer dude but even vs vehicles it seems better on average, especially as he can move and shoot at full effectiveness.

**Mantle**

Do we know how many point las fusil eliminators are and are they still capped at 3?

**X078**

So are Infiltrators now minimum 5 with the Helix/Comms, looks that way, before you had to take 6 dudes.

**Ravajaxe**

Mantle wrote:
Do we know how many point las fusil eliminators are and are they still capped at 3?

From the pictures :
Heavy support : Eliminators , 3 per squad, 18 points
"Arquebuse laser" (las fusil) : 15 points (They are not called fusil laser in french because it's the name of the IG weapon

)
Total 99 points.

X078 wrote:
So are Infiltrators now minimum 5 with the Helix/Comms, looks that way, before you had to take 6 dudes.

Its seems so, troops, 5-10 per squad, 22 ppm, 32 for the Helix.

**Redemption**

Ravajaxe wrote:
Mantle wrote:
Do we know how many point las fusil eliminators are and are they still capped at 3?

From the pictures :
Heavy support : Eliminators , 3 per squad, 18 points
"Arquebuse laser" (las fusil) : 15 points (They are not called fusil laser in french because it's the name of the IG weapon )
Total 99 points.

Don't forget the camo-cloaks.

**Tibs Ironblood**

35 points for pretty durable snipers with a single 36 s8 ap-3 damage 3 gun isn't too bad I think. Considering Primaris before had to use dreads or hellblasters for anti tank this is a pretty solid options or for anti tank compare it to the suppressors which are s7 ap-2 damage 2 which are squishier, but have twice the number of shots.

Hmmm....

The warsuits seem pretty solid compared to the redemptor. Strong firepower and very strong if you get 1st and at the very least if you go second they can soak some firepower. That 10 inch move can get you far.

**Gnollu**

Just to be sure. Deathwatch is left with nothing?

**Ravajaxe**

Redemption wrote:
Ravajaxe wrote:
Mantle wrote:
Do we know how many point las fusil eliminators are and are they still capped at 3?

From the pictures :
Heavy support : Eliminators , 3 per squad, 18 points
"Arquebuse laser" (las fusil) : 15 points (They are not called fusil laser in french because it's the name of the IG weapon )
Total 99 points.

Don't forget the camo-cloaks.

Oh you are right, I have forgotten about them.
Capes de camouflage (camo cloaks) : 3 points.

So 108 points the Eliminator squad.

**Asherian Command**

Tactical Space Marines are 1pt cheaper which means they might be worth taking now!

**Stavkat**

My French is not the best, but it seems like the Contemptor Dread got a price drop? CCW + Keres used to be 145 now it is [132]. (88 for dread, only 20 now for CCW only 22 for Keres, plus same 2 points for combi bolter).

Edited to correct

**TedNugent**

Jidmah wrote:
TedNugent wrote:
Based on the review by WintersSEO, they have gone completely overboard with the special rules.

All marine units apparently have +1 attack in the first round of combat in addition to bolter drill and have the ability to choose whether to withdraw from combat.

I'm legitimately scared to run any kind of Ork unit other than Meganobs or a 30 blob into most primaris units. That is outrageous close combat ability. Combined with bolter drill and the tactical doctrines allowing for -1 AP everywhere, I could see entire blobs of orks being vaporized by basic boltgun fire. The resulting close combat ability from Ork boys would be pretty embarrassing against a 3 attack unit of basic intercessors with 2 wounds each. Trukk boys RIP. I wouldnt dare run 12 boys into even a primaris combat squad.

That's the case already though. Even 30 slugga boys bounce off a unit of 10 infiltrators/intercessors. Those extra attacks just make it an even worse idea to charge them.

Just don't bring boyz near a primaris shooting castle - capture objectives, force them to move and shot them to bits.

What's to stop them from just plowing into you using bolter drill. 30 inch range, tactical doctrines -2 AP, multiple shots if they stand still, rerolls to hit and wound. Gg bro. Even an intercessor squad is bleeding boy units hard. Not counting scary stuff like aggressors.

**cuda1179**

Stavkat wrote:
My French is not the best, but it seems like the Contemptor Dread got a price drop? CCW + Keres used to be 145 now it is 130. (88 for dread, only 20 now for CCW and 22 for Keres).

Don't forget the storm bolter.

**Stavkat**

cuda1179 wrote:
Stavkat wrote:
My French is not the best, but it seems like the Contemptor Dread got a price drop? CCW + Keres used to be 145 now it is 130. (88 for dread, only 20 now for CCW and 22 for Keres).

Don't forget the storm bolter.

Combi Bolter. Crap, yes, will edit, thank you

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Btw, how does this new codex work with that imperial index book that let you take Contemptor Mortis Dreads, is that still allowed?

**Sunny Side Up**

Elbows wrote:
I haven't read the full codex (obviously) but I'm pretty sure he has a 12" flamer and can infiltrate 9" away from the opposing force? (i.e....stupidly good)

Well, he can be set up like a scout during deployment. He cannot Deepstrike in (except if you're using the White Scars strat).

But you can set him up 9" from the enemy, hope you don't get seized on, move 10", do some flamering, charging, etc.. in your first turn.

**BrianDavion**

TedNugent wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
TedNugent wrote:
Based on the review by WintersSEO, they have gone completely overboard with the special rules.

All marine units apparently have +1 attack in the first round of combat in addition to bolter drill and have the ability to choose whether to withdraw from combat.

I'm legitimately scared to run any kind of Ork unit other than Meganobs or a 30 blob into most primaris units. That is outrageous close combat ability. Combined with bolter drill and the tactical doctrines allowing for -1 AP everywhere, I could see entire blobs of orks being vaporized by basic boltgun fire. The resulting close combat ability from Ork boys would be pretty embarrassing against a 3 attack unit of basic intercessors with 2 wounds each. Trukk boys RIP. I wouldnt dare run 12 boys into even a primaris combat squad.

That's the case already though. Even 30 slugga boys bounce off a unit of 10 infiltrators/intercessors. Those extra attacks just make it an even worse idea to charge them.

Just don't bring boyz near a primaris shooting castle - capture objectives, force them to move and shot them to bits.

What's to stop them from just plowing into you using bolter drill. 30 inch range, tactical doctrines -2 AP, multiple shots if they stand still, rerolls to hit and wound. Gg bro. Even an intercessor squad is bleeding boy units hard. Not counting scary stuff like aggressors.

how are marine units getting re-roll wounds now? they might be able to re-roll 1s to wound with a Lt nearby but other then that..

**Latro_**

So inceptors are 4 pts cheaper each with assault bolters.

Just thought, normal scouts with sniper rifles are -1 first turn! What with sniper rifles being heavy

Also sterguard look to have free special bolters so 10 of them are 20pts cheaper.

Redone my list and iv more or less got a free drop pod

**Crimson**

Oh, about that Intercessor hand flamer: the sergeant needs to sacrifice his long arm to get it.

**Jidmah**

TedNugent wrote:
What's to stop them from just plowing into you using bolter drill. 30 inch range, tactical doctrines -2 AP, multiple shots if they stand still, rerolls to hit and wound. Gg bro. Even an intercessor squad is bleeding boy units hard. Not counting scary stuff like aggressors.

The sole difference to the game I had two weeks ago is and additional -1 AP against a unit that has a 6+ armor save.

Everything you just listed has been there since the bolter beta rules. Nothing changed!

**OverlyGrumpyTau**

Okay, so I haven't done too much digging because I'm worried about the results.

But did GW forget the Emperor's Spears exist in the codex?
Like did we get any updates the their tactic? Or even a mention?

**CthuluIsSpy**

Yeah, that extra AP is wasted against boys. Even at no AP it doesn't matter, because 6+ saves suck.

**BaconCatBug**

OverlyGrumpyTau wrote:
Okay, so I haven't done too much digging because I'm worried about the results.

But did GW forget the Emperor's Spears exist in the codex?
Like did we get any updates the their tactic? Or even a mention?

Emperor's Spears don't exist "in the codex", they were a 1 card tactic and nothing more. I guarantee they won't get any update.

**Slayer-Fan123**

BaconCatBug wrote:
OverlyGrumpyTau wrote:
Okay, so I haven't done too much digging because I'm worried about the results.

But did GW forget the Emperor's Spears exist in the codex?
Like did we get any updates the their tactic? Or even a mention?
Emperor's Spears don't exist "in the codex", they were a 1 card tactic and nothing more. I guarantee they won't get any update.

I'm pretty sure their rule became a Successor choice anyway, so you'd get that and some other rule. No real problems there unless you need to complain for the sake of complaining.

**StarHunter25**

I'm curious to see what, if anything, happens to the Badab War chapters/characters. I'm particularly interested if many will get shoehorned into having "Inheritors of the Primarch". If not hello executioners exploding dice silliness.

**BrianDavion**

StarHunter25 wrote:
I'm curious to see what, if anything, happens to the Badab War chapters/characters. I'm particularly interested if many will get shoehorned into having "Inheritors of the Primarch". If not hello executioners exploding dice silliness.

FW likely won't specify although I'd argue novamarines should run with the Ultramarines sucessor rules

**Luke_Prowler**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, that extra AP is wasted against boys. Even at no AP it doesn't matter, because 6+ saves suck.

It's useful against boyz in cover, which is more relevant for ork shooty lists. Also 'Ard Boyz, if you're someone who uses that strat.

**Mandragola**

Soneone on b+c ousted this doc of all the points, and changes from before. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vZnKuZarvBT17JeRdRcHPWkI8fq4770HrbBosCh8JCo/htmlview#gid=0

Apparently assault centurions now have 4 wounds, 3 attacks and cost 52 points each with two flamers. You get a ton of dakka out of these, then a squad of 3 seems to have 13 S10 ap-4 D3 attacks with no hit modifier. They do 17.33 wounds to a knight on the charge, without using rerolls.

So here’s a thought. What about a land raider (lol?) with three of these and maybe Pedro in? Or just loads of them. Crusaders with squads of five in, that sort of thing.

**Tiberius501**

Why. In the utter, absolute hell balls. Did Boltstorm Gauntlets. On Aggressors. Go down to being CHEAPER than the Flamestorm Gauntlets? Why did they go down at all?!

GW are absolute mad ladz haha, not only are Aggressors buffed and already insane, especially the obnoxious UM ones, but they got cheaper? ...

EDIT: I read the wrong thing, nvm thank god. Peeps corrected me, it was actually the Gravis Captain’s that went down which is actually a good thing.