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Quasistellar wrote:
Even for me--someone who actually wants every single model in the set (minus necron scatter) and sometimes plays kill team--it's going to be a hard "no" at this price.

I wanted everything even the Necron scatter terrain (figured I could work it into some some larger foam pieces) and I'm also a hard "no".

Well, assuming I can sell the Flayed ones and the marines.
I’d possibly grab the box and keep all the rules and terrain (maybe the two characters, depending how much I can make back from the two units).

IF the game can still be played without those two units of course.
I don’t mind needing to own the Rulebook for unit profiles, as I already have it. But I want this box to have more use that ‘if you own these two units you can play it’


There’ll be no shortage of people wanting those new kits, so I should be able to move them on.

The price is too steep for me. Assuming the Killzones book comes with the new datasheets, I'll skip the big box and just get the book and Sector Fronteris.

The highlight here for me is the return of Sector Fronteris! I have lusted for that kit for a while now, and din't feel like paying scalper prices for it. So that's going to be a definite purchase for me.

Quasistellar wrote:
Even for me--someone who actually wants every single model in the set (minus necron scatter) and sometimes plays kill team--it's going to be a hard "no" at this price.

I have to ask why. Because based on regular GW pricing,

2 character models are 45 quid total
5 heavy intercessors are probably 35 quid
5 flayed ones are probably 17 quid(?), given they should be in a box of 10 that'll cost at least 35 quid.

That's 97 quid bought separately. The Kill Team box would get you the scatter terrain for free and you'd spend 2 quid less than retail.

A real discount on the box would be nice, but if you're willing to buy it all separately AND want the scatter terrain, then it seems an ok buy, at least in GW terms.

If the costs I've quoted are actually better then this box gets worse in comparison, but I don't think it's too far off.

 John Prins wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
Even for me--someone who actually wants every single model in the set (minus necron scatter) and sometimes plays kill team--it's going to be a hard "no" at this price.

I have to ask why. Because based on regular GW pricing,

2 character models are 45 quid total
5 heavy intercessors are probably 35 quid
5 flayed ones are probably 17 quid(?), given they should be in a box of 10 that'll cost at least 35 quid.

That's 97 quid bought separately. The Kill Team box would get you the scatter terrain for free and you'd spend 2 quid less than retail.

A real discount on the box would be nice, but if you're willing to buy it all separately AND want the scatter terrain, then it seems an ok buy, at least in GW terms.

If the costs I've quoted are actually better then this box gets worse in comparison, but I don't think it's too far off.

I'll be amazed if the heavy intercessors are only £35 considering eradicators are £31.50 for 3x. I think we may be looking in the £40's (£42 would be my main guess).

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:


I have to ask why.

Because outrage feels better than capitulation.

This box has a totally expected price and is actually a fine deal if you want everything in it.

Reminds me of the outrage over the price of Dark Uprising, which turned out to be an incredible value.

If you just want some of the models, you should just have a little patience. It's not like this will be the only place to buy some Heavy Intercessors.

With a little industriousness you could break this out for parts and make a profit pretty easily. Plenty of Kill Team players will want just the book or just the board, terrain, and cards too.

This is so obnoxious. I want the Chronomancer Pretty badly, but at this price it's nuts.

 ohreally wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:


I have to ask why.

Because outrage feels better than capitulation.

This box has a totally expected price and is actually a fine deal if you want everything in it.

Reminds me of the outrage over the price of Dark Uprising, which turned out to be an incredible value.

If you just want some of the models, you should just have a little patience. It's not like this will be the only place to buy some Heavy Intercessors.

With a little industriousness you could break this out for parts and make a profit pretty easily. Plenty of Kill Team players will want just the book or just the board, terrain, and cards too.

Normally boxes like this give you a discount - this box is bordering on those old GW "bundles" that were simply the same price as buying everything individually.

I've actually been a big defender of boxes like Forgebane and Shadowspear but this box really is trash. It's not outrage to point that out. I was planning to buy multiples but I will buy none at this price. Simple.

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:


Normally boxes like this give you a discount - this box is bordering on those old GW "bundles" that were simply the same price as buying everything individually.

How do you figure there is no discount? It looks like a pretty thick book. The boards, cards and terrain aren't free. Sure it's the same price as the what the 40K models will cost separately but you still get all the Kill Team stuff on top of that. Seems like a reasonable amount of value compared to the buying the models on their own.

I think most people will be happy you aren't buying it though. More to go around. In fact, if anything, the price tag is going to assure it's around for the Kill Team players who do want it all.

 Sasori wrote:
This is so obnoxious. I want the Chronomancer Pretty badly, but at this price it's nuts.

it'll get released on its own eventually

All GW boxes give you a discount. Including this one.

Box like Forgebane have value of one side just a bit under the price of the box, thus making the other side basically "free" (the value is still no where as good as older box, with the cost of one side surpassed the price of the box). Me being an average GW consumer who just want one side, can just buy the box and forget about the other side, and still feel like I didn't waste money. Plus petty things like cardboard, and cards (sometime even books) were not factoring in value for the old boxes.

Not the same case with today "value box". People who just want a few things from the box and doesn't want to feel like they're "wasting money" has to engage in ebay selling or splitting it with other. You can still get some value from this box, just get what you want and ebay the rest. It is annoying but it is what it is.

Billicus wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
This is so obnoxious. I want the Chronomancer Pretty badly, but at this price it's nuts.

it'll get released on its own eventually

Some time around December 2021 at the earliest. For a character in a codex that came out in October 2020.

Proxy it til then. Hardly a huge issue

I'm guessing no less than 40 quid, 65 dollars for the heavy intercessors. 5 terminator sized models, even if they are troops.

 ohreally wrote:

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:


Normally boxes like this give you a discount - this box is bordering on those old GW "bundles" that were simply the same price as buying everything individually.

How do you figure there is no discount? It looks like a pretty thick book. The boards, cards and terrain aren't free. Sure it's the same price as the what the 40K models will cost separately but you still get all the Kill Team stuff on top of that. Seems like a reasonable amount of value compared to the buying the models on their own.

I think most people will be happy you aren't buying it though. More to go around. In fact, if anything, the price tag is going to assure it's around for the Kill Team players who do want it all.

They are welcome to it!

I guess I'll wait for this stuff to show up on eBay and see about getting my Necrons that way.

Do we know if the flayed ones are a multi-kit or are etb?

Billicus wrote:
Proxy it til then. Hardly a huge issue

Yeah, having to proxy a Troops choice for months and months is also not a huge issue, right? It's exactly the same case for Heavy Intercessors

 streetsamurai wrote:
Do we know if the flayed ones are a multi-kit or are etb?

The lines between the two are blurring every day, but the kits in this box are the normal kits that will eventually be on sale. The Flayed Ones kit itself could still be an ETB, but that seems unlikely. I think the ETB releases for Necrons/Marines were done in the first wave of stuff.

The ETB models usually have scenic bases (at least the AOS ones and Necron models do). The Dark Imperium ones didn't, but I don't think these guys are ETB. However, I also doubt they really have any options. Like H.B.M.C. said, the lines are blurring together :/

Doubt you'll be waiting that long for the heavy intercessors anyway, and if you are, honestly, can't say it strikes me as a big problem, no. Marines have plenty of viable troops choices to choose from

I highly doubt they are going to be ETB.
As yeah they’ll just be the regular kit when it comes, as opposed to something for starters.

I don’t think it’ll be a multi part kit, there’s no need really.
It’ll just be monopose 5 on a sprue (maybe with one variant head or arm for a “sergeant” type build I guess)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Do we know if the flayed ones are a multi-kit or are etb?

The lines between the two are blurring every day, but the kits in this box are the normal kits that will eventually be on sale. The Flayed Ones kit itself could still be an ETB, but that seems unlikely. I think the ETB releases for Necrons/Marines were done in the first wave of stuff.

yep, it seems GW is more or less removing the part of the hobby that I appreciate the most

Flayed one doesn't have a leader, they're all the same.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I agree also but this is their... fourth?... box of plastic doors (Underhive, Rogue Trader, Catacombs) so they must be selling well.

EDIT: Fifth. Kill Team Arena also.

Underhive(the original Necromunda box) and Rogue Trader were very cheap compared to this new box. Catacombs was too expensive, but you did get some interesting terrain besides a varied array of doors, plus it had the full rulebook and two 10 man teams. Kill Team Arena was also far from this expensive and provided tournament mission format.

The pariah nexus is an all time low effort from GW in my mind. As much as I love KT I will be skipping this box.

Rogue Trader also lingered on the webstore for a very long time and probably being retired by GW.

Chopstick wrote:
Flayed one doesn't have a leader, they're all the same.

Then no options.
Just monopose I’d guess.


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My real question is,
When are they gonna release the Gellerpox and Starstriders as little sets.
Either as Kill Team ish boxes or for 40k in some form.

The models are too cool to never be seen again surely..

Danny76 wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Flayed one doesn't have a leader, they're all the same.

Then no options.
Just monopose I’d guess.

You'd never want more than 2 in your kill team anyway.

because they're terrible. A genestealer cost 1 more point and is 10 times better.

Chopstick wrote:

Danny76 wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Flayed one doesn't have a leader, they're all the same.

Then no options.
Just monopose I’d guess.

You'd never want more than 2 in your kill team anyway.

because they're terrible. A genestealer cost 1 more point and is 10 times better.

Though, necrons cannot take genestealers, so this is a moot point above if you are running a necron kill team.

I guess that’s the tactics.

Take your Necron Kill Team.
Place it aside.
Buy a Tyranid one