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Shrike :
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/13/preview-chapter-master-kayvaan-shrikegw-homepage-post-4/

He's solid, seems like a lot of fun. His pistol is actually pretty decent stacked with their ability. The 14" move seems crazy.

I'm not impressed.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Frankly, the biggest "non-codex compliant" thing for Black Templars is the whole Neophytes thing.

And that can be a special unit in a supplement.

More than the Angels and Wolves had before they got spun off into Supplements and flandersised to the nine hundreth degree.

Space Wolves began as an example of standard Marine Chapter.....

Frankly most Chapters if they had supplements and codexes would have as many truly "Unique" units as the Angels and Wolves - ie one or two.

Would that be in Rogue Trader then?

Because in 2nd, they had everything they have today, except for Wulfen (which still existed in fluff and on artifacts like the "pelt of wulfen" and the "Wulfenstone") and the Thunderwolf riders/Santa Chariot.

Also Murderfang and the Fliers.

Things they did have though:

-The Curse of the Wulfen (i.e. the fact that their dudes would go all werewolf and that one whole company had done that. There were even rules for playing 13th company marines at some point, and models for them. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xEbjNJUCwVQ/VqlkD85xYAI/AAAAAAAAI3I/lwpxVazT4Dg/s1600/classic_wulfen.jpg)

-Wolfy Wolf on all their stuff. Wolf Guard, Wolf Lords, Wolf Priests, Wolf-themed artifacts, Blood Claws, Grey Hunters, etc.

-Rules like "Ragnar may howl at the beginning of his turn."

IIRC they got significantly less wolfy with their first actual supplement rulebook in 3rd. They DID get access to a Leman Russ tank in that book though, for a short crazy moment.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Shrike :
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/13/preview-chapter-master-kayvaan-shrikegw-homepage-post-4/

He's solid, seems like a lot of fun. His pistol is actually pretty decent stacked with their ability. The 14" move seems crazy.

I'll get him anyway, but I hope they do not inflate his cost too much

I find it interesting that he lets you reroll charges for jump pack AND phobos. As if those guys could actually keep up with the Chapter Master. Looking at the model, I'm guessing Shrike himself won't have the phobos keyword, but you never know. It'd be relevant for the phobos librarian discipline.

Maybe it's silly, but I'm annoyed that the Ultramarines got a number of special units (including their Tyrannic War Vets) while so far it looks like the rest of the chapters just get a single special character. I guess White Scars also got the Khan on a Bike.

the_scotsman wrote:
Would that be in Rogue Trader then?

Yes.

Because in 2nd, they had everything they have today, except for Wulfen (which still existed in fluff and on artifacts like the "pelt of wulfen" and the "Wulfenstone") and the Thunderwolf riders/Santa Chariot.

Also Murderfang and the Fliers.

I.e. any of the stupid stuff people usually complain about didn't exist.

IIRC they got significantly less wolfy with their first actual supplement rulebook in 3rd. They DID get access to a Leman Russ tank in that book though, for a short crazy moment.

Now that was a good unique unit for them! Such a shame it got removed.

Man they should have at least given those claws +1 strength.

Seems good but also seems like his reroll charge aura ability will be counter intuitive in game. Go in first with shrike but then your other models are too far away to benefit from the reroll charge aura

Benionin wrote:
I find it interesting that he lets you reroll charges for jump pack AND phobos. As if those guys could actually keep up with the Chapter Master. Looking at the model, I'm guessing Shrike himself won't have the phobos keyword, but you never know. It'd be relevant for the phobos librarian discipline.

Maybe it's silly, but I'm annoyed that the Ultramarines got a number of special units (including their Tyrannic War Vets) while so far it looks like the rest of the chapters just get a single special character. I guess White Scars also got the Khan on a Bike.

I think he has both phobos and jump pack. They say in the description "his phobos suit of armor"

Anyone else getting bored of the continued and seemingly never-ending Marine previews now?

I'm at the stage where I'm ready for anything else.

I hope this psychic awakening thing gets moving soon.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Anyone else getting bored of the continued and seemingly never-ending Marine previews now?

I'm at the stage where I'm ready for anything else.

I hope this psychic awakening thing gets moving soon.

Have been for three editions now, yes.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Anyone else getting bored of the continued and seemingly never-ending Marine previews now?

I'm at the stage where I'm ready for anything else.

I hope this psychic awakening thing gets moving soon.

Why even post this? If you're that bored try twiddling your thumbs or counting sheep.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Anyone else getting bored of the continued and seemingly never-ending Marine previews now?

I'm at the stage where I'm ready for anything else.

I hope this psychic awakening thing gets moving soon.

Everybody is annoyed by it, the marine players included. They're dragging this release over several months, an no one is happy about it. All of this should have been just released with the codex and then they could have moved to other things.

"I've been bitter for 32 years about 40K being so SM-centric, and I'll be bitter for another 32 more!"

That video is not at all how I would have imagined Shrike's voice after seeing the model.

Benionin wrote:
I find it interesting that he lets you reroll charges for jump pack AND phobos. As if those guys could actually keep up with the Chapter Master. Looking at the model, I'm guessing Shrike himself won't have the phobos keyword, but you never know. It'd be relevant for the phobos librarian discipline.

Maybe it's silly, but I'm annoyed that the Ultramarines got a number of special units (including their Tyrannic War Vets) while so far it looks like the rest of the chapters just get a single special character. I guess White Scars also got the Khan on a Bike.

You can grav shoot in reivers wherever shrike is and get a rerollable charge off. If they hadn't included phobos you would be stuck with shooting dudes for primaris jump troops who would be able to use that aura.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Frankly, the biggest "non-codex compliant" thing for Black Templars is the whole Neophytes thing.

And that can be a special unit in a supplement.

No.

Let me suggest codex armageddon. 3rd ed. Nice read.

The one day of Eldar has to sustain you for a whole week.

 1hadhq wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Frankly, the biggest "non-codex compliant" thing for Black Templars is the whole Neophytes thing.

And that can be a special unit in a supplement.

No.

Let me suggest codex armageddon. 3rd ed. Nice read.

Read it. Much like many other Chapters, a lot of what makes them unique(their over-sized Chapter nature, religious zealotry, etc) can't really quantify well on the tabletop.

Crusader Squads, Emperor's Champion, and no Librarians are really the 'hallmarks' of the Black Templars...and out of those, only really the Crusader Squads would need representation.


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Benionin wrote:
I find it interesting that he lets you reroll charges for jump pack AND phobos. As if those guys could actually keep up with the Chapter Master. Looking at the model, I'm guessing Shrike himself won't have the phobos keyword, but you never know. It'd be relevant for the phobos librarian discipline.

Ehh...I don't think it too crazy to consider it as part of a 'massed drop' setup for Reivers with Grav-Chutes and BP/CCWs.

They call Shrike's gear out as Phobos, so I'd be surprised as well if he doesn't have it as a keyword.

Maybe it's silly, but I'm annoyed that the Ultramarines got a number of special units (including their Tyrannic War Vets) while so far it looks like the rest of the chapters just get a single special character. I guess White Scars also got the Khan on a Bike.

Wasn't it just two units? Victrix Guard and the Tyrannic War Veterans?

Although yeah, it does look like barring the White Scars nobody else is even getting anything beyond named characters.

Not making the claws at least S5 is ridiculous. This guy is a chump, lightning claws just don't get the job done.

They are getting what they already had, or an upgraded version of an old character, with the exception being IH.

Ultramarines already had all of the models that made it into their Supplement. The Honour Guard kit was always a UM one, and the Chapter Ancient/Champion that comes with that kit are also UM models. Tigurius is the 'upgraded' one.

 bullyboy wrote:
Not making the claws at least S5 is ridiculous. This guy is a chump, lightning claws just don't get the job done.

He has shred so hes wounding ~75% of the time vs t4 and ~55% verse t5-t7 and ~89% vs t3. The fact that it is ap -2 and damage 2 is what makes them awesome. -2* is the sweet spot since most durable things also have invulns anyway and it blows through light armor and damage 2 means his volume of attacks REALLY pay off. You also have to remember the raven guard doctrine applies in assault.

I guess folks just want another model that plays itself again

*Edit. lol they are even -3 which I missed. So he eats other primaris as well.

Even with reroll, S4 is crap for a Chapter Master. He'll get chewed alive.

 bullyboy wrote:
Even with reroll, S4 is crap for a Chapter Master. He'll get chewed alive.

You can say that, but your wrong. The math I shared demonstrates that. Having shred is better then him having s7.

BTW that's also if you willfully ignore the +1 to wound vs characters, which is probably the most durable thing you could complain about him having to tackle. That is until the inevitable, "but he can't blow through a knight" argument appears.

"But my new plastic kit spesh marine hero cant 1 shot a knight" weeehhh weeeehh garbage tier. Terribad. Trash fire

Lets try to stem the power creep..

yeah the whole "IT CAN'T KILL A KNIGHT SO IT SUCKS" arguement is honestly a bit annoying. not every model should be a knight killer. Shrike isn't designed to kill kngiths he's designed to kill HQs etc.

I think the main issue is people are comparing him to Feirros, who comparatively speaking adds way more to the table compared to Shrike. Shrike is fine ruleswise, it'll really depend how they price him and whether or not he really brings that much to a RG army besides the usual CM reroll.

I expect Shrike to be cheaper then Ferrios by a good margin.

Also Shrike is designed for a COMPLETELY differant style of play.

No way he is gonna be cheaper than Ferrios.

Shrike is gonna be around 150pts.

The Chapter Master buff has been worth about 50 points on other named models, and Shrike has a lot more direct damage potential than a standard Cap with jump pack.

Bluflash wrote:
No way he is gonna be cheaper than Ferrios.

Apparently Feirros is 110 points, people say that it was revealed in Warhamer TV stream. Sounds pretty damn unbelievable to me.

The Chapter Master buff has been worth about 50 points on other named models, and Shrike has a lot more direct damage potential than a standard Cap with jump pack.

Does he? Give that Captain the Teeth of Terra.

Well, the Iron Hands guy doesnt give re-rolls. Clearly he should be cheaper than powerhouses like Haarkon Worldclaimer than. Seriously!! Lol.