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 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Guys this thread is to discuss psychic awakening and news/ rumours/theories related to that. Let's save the 'we hate all SM releases' or 'my xeno army deserves the most stuff because x' discussions for another thread huh?

I assumed we'd just run out of rumours, since GW's leaks thus far basically amount to something between bugger and all.

Apart from the explicit statement that more would come tomorrow?

Voss wrote:

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Guys this thread is to discuss psychic awakening and news/ rumours/theories related to that. Let's save the 'we hate all SM releases' or 'my xeno army deserves the most stuff because x' discussions for another thread huh?

I assumed we'd just run out of rumours, since GW's leaks thus far basically amount to something between bugger and all.

Apart from the explicit statement that more would come tomorrow?

Might as well gripe a bit while we wait though eh?
It passes the time.

Flinty wrote:I think that would make a lot of people incandescent with rage. I mean just look at the hate put there for the new marine models, and GW has deliberately not retired the older marines. If they remove a load of really cool special characters from the narrative at a stroke I think there would be a lot of unhappiness in the existing player base.

Also they put out a special commisar in plastic, and if there is anything more niche than that it's hard to say.

Severina Raine was in finecast. The traitor Commisar isnt special since it'll be released with the upcoming traitor guard(or at least that's the line currently).

Messiah wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
And if you show them an Ork they think it's fething warcraft.

Spoiler:

Looks like Warcraft?

You know, the way Warcraft has been going, yes! That definitely looks like Warcraft.

it has as much in common with warcraft orks that SC marines have with 40K marines. And well... then you have this

JSG wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
Assuming sarcasm filter is off.....
Because even Astra Militarum tire of killing marines?
Because how many people start with SM but move to some other faction? Because a tac squad is the base for how many different flavors of Marine armies?

I know that, I just assumed we were posting slowed straw man arguments.


Those new marine bits look nice btw...

So paraphrasing exactly what some Marine players have been saying is "strawman arguments" now. Lol OK

I'm pretty confident that 40k predates all of Warcraft/Starcraft.

if I ask someone about Orks they immediately think of Orcs(LOTR). If I ask someone about Aeldari, they'll have no idea what I'm talking about. If I as someone what a space marine is they'll say "you mean like starship troopers?".

GW sure are trying really hard to get their IP out into the massed media "nooshpere".

But I digress,

I'm really looking forward to seeing what GW has in store for the 41/2/? millennium.

Racerguy180 wrote:
I'm pretty confident that 40k predates all of Warcraft/Starcraft.

100% correct my friend!

 xttz wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Gramatically, "phoenix rising" indicate just one phoenix rising.
Also, if it refered to Fulgim it ought to say "the Poenix rising" because it refer to a uniqe and specific phoenix.

I'm curious if that means we're only getting Jain Zar ( for now), or if GW are going to retcon Phoenix Lords into a single unit. That would save them making 5+ unique special character models that would have limited sales.

I read this as all the Phoenix Lords will do the "Fusion Dance" and become the ultimate Phoenix Lord.

Voss wrote:

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Guys this thread is to discuss psychic awakening and news/ rumours/theories related to that. Let's save the 'we hate all SM releases' or 'my xeno army deserves the most stuff because x' discussions for another thread huh?

I assumed we'd just run out of rumours, since GW's leaks thus far basically amount to something between bugger and all.

Apart from the explicit statement that more would come tomorrow?

What part of 'thus far' do you not understand?

Where are the leaks? I guess GW improved their security, because there's been a dearth of leaks lately.

Guys, chill.

For once, let's have a nice, civil, positive discussion about all the new goodies we're going to get, or hope we're going to get for our respective factions?

I'm looking forward to tomorrow, despite my warnings to Eldar players regarding their expectations, I do hope that Craftworld are getting a ton of new models (they absolutely deserve it) and I'm really looking forward to see the new rules for both factions.

Maybe tomorrow gives us a bit of insight into what we might expect for other books for other factions?

One thing that I haven't really seen anyone mention is that we're almost certainly getting a new Harlequin model here, considering there was a rumour engine pic a while back that had the exact same ruins as all the other Harlequin characters. Maybe a Warlock or Mime?

Aside from that - Craftworlds are getting Banshees and probably Jain Zar, and I'm not expecting any models for DE (although I've seen some rumours floating around of plastic Incubi). But that's fine. The exciting stuff is the potential for new rules, and hopefully we'll learn a lot more about that tomorrow.

There's a part of me that would really like DE to get native psychic powers, but the most realistic possibility that I'd like to see is a focus on anti-psyker tech from them. The Helm of Spite and Crucible strat aren't really enough for a faction that should be able to put psykers on lockdown.

 Burnage wrote:
One thing that I haven't really seen anyone mention is that we're almost certainly getting a new Harlequin model here, considering there was a rumour engine pic a while back that had the exact same ruins as all the other Harlequin characters. Maybe a Warlock or Mime?

I never noticed this to be honest, are you sure it's a Harlequin model?

 Burnage wrote:
Aside from that - Craftworlds are getting Banshees and probably Jain Zar, and I'm not expecting any models for DE (although I've seen some rumours floating around of plastic Incubi). But that's fine. The exciting stuff is the potential for new rules, and hopefully we'll learn a lot more about that tomorrow.

There's a part of me that would really like DE to get native psychic powers, but the most realistic possibility that I'd like to see is a focus on anti-psyker tech from them. The Helm of Spite and Crucible strat aren't really enough for a faction that should be able to put psykers on lockdown.

If DEldar are to get Psychic powers, I'd like them to be effectively a slave psyker that they "coerce" into releasing powers for them. Like a penitent engine, but to encourage psykers to release their powers.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Burnage wrote:
One thing that I haven't really seen anyone mention is that we're almost certainly getting a new Harlequin model here, considering there was a rumour engine pic a while back that had the exact same ruins as all the other Harlequin characters. Maybe a Warlock or Mime?

I never noticed this to be honest, are you sure it's a Harlequin model?

Obviously not 100% certainty but that's almost an exact match with the other Harlequin characters.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Burnage wrote:
Aside from that - Craftworlds are getting Banshees and probably Jain Zar, and I'm not expecting any models for DE (although I've seen some rumours floating around of plastic Incubi). But that's fine. The exciting stuff is the potential for new rules, and hopefully we'll learn a lot more about that tomorrow.

There's a part of me that would really like DE to get native psychic powers, but the most realistic possibility that I'd like to see is a focus on anti-psyker tech from them. The Helm of Spite and Crucible strat aren't really enough for a faction that should be able to put psykers on lockdown.

If DEldar are to get Psychic powers, I'd like them to be effectively a slave psyker that they "coerce" into releasing powers for them. Like a penitent engine, but to encourage psykers to release their powers.

I'd be down for that. I actually think it'd be interesting if more was made out of their penchant for enslaving - slave units like Skaven have would be a neat addition to the Codex. It's a huge part of their fluff that doesn't really impact how they play on the tabletop currently at all.

Given the plastic Banshees, my money would be on Jain Zar for any character release. The portable ruins have shown up on several "recent" Craftworld models as well as the Harlies.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

If DEldar are to get Psychic powers, I'd like them to be effectively a slave psyker that they "coerce" into releasing powers for them. Like a penitent engine, but to encourage psykers to release their powers.

If we're dreaming, I'd like them to get a psychic HQ along the lines of the Corsair Prince in 7th.

The Eldar range doesn't even outsell a tac squad. Where does this xenos entitlement come from?

Riiiiiiiiight….. Is that really true though or did you make that up to make your sense of entitlement feel more entitled????
(I joke)

Anyway back on topic, with all this excitement about new banshees , aspects and PLs I totally forgotten that the rangers which are staple troops choice are friggin finecats… Ugh it hurts my soul...

As someone pointed out based on the map the there's likelihood Iyanden would be a strong candidate to getting some focus.
I mean it would make sense with the new "apocalypse" box they are trying to sell Eldar players. When people are not buying kits, give those kits some new rules (wraiths as troops anyone? I know I would loooove it!) and presto..sales.

However not sure how banshees and (possibly) Jain Zair would come into this.. so maybe that will be a secondary focus on the ynarri vs CWE narrative.
Its really gobsmacking what state the DE/CWE range is with the failcast for days... Maybe they listened to our feedback eh? I know I sure did point out how I would rather be spending money on ebay metal aspects rather than pay for the pile of warm poop they currently sell.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Given the plastic Banshees, my money would be on Jain Zar for any character release. The portable ruins have shown up on several "recent" Craftworld models as well as the Harlies.

The plastic banshee show a little eldar ruin in the rear, not as big as the one show in the rumour, but wouldn't be strange if it's part of a base of a bigger/character model like Jain Zar or some new harlequin.

 Lord Perversor wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Given the plastic Banshees, my money would be on Jain Zar for any character release. The portable ruins have shown up on several "recent" Craftworld models as well as the Harlies.

The plastic banshee show a little eldar ruin in the rear, not as big as the one show in the rumour, but wouldn't be strange if it's part of a base of a bigger/character model like Jain Zar or some new harlequin.

I can totally see it being the base for jain zair.
I'm about 70% we are going to get jain zair along with banshees.
50% we will see more than just this plastic banshees gimmick (GW being GW is why only 50% lol)

The only question is, why not preview her? Why just one banshee?
The optimist in me is thinking that they are saving it for a big release bomb with all manner of new kits Eldar need.

The pessimist part thinks its just to throw us a bone and hush up the vocal negative minority

 Argive wrote:
I can totally see it being the base for jain zair.

That seems to be the mostly likely outcome given what little we know.

 Argive wrote:
The only question is, why not preview her? Why just one banshee?

You could say "Why just X?" for most of the Nova 'previews'. It was a terrific example of how to reveal things without actually revealing things.

Messiah wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
And if you show them an Ork they think it's fething warcraft.

Spoiler:

Looks like Warcraft?

You know, the way Warcraft has been going, yes! That definitely looks like Warcraft.

Whaaaat ?
Pics or didn't happen!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I can totally see it being the base for jain zair.

That seems to be the mostly likely outcome given what little we know.

 Argive wrote:
The only question is, why not preview her? Why just one banshee?

You could say "Why just X?" for most of the Nova 'previews'. It was a terrific example of how to reveal things without actually revealing things.

I mean it did serve a purpose of shutting up eldar players whinging about how crappy fail cast is etc

But if Jain is really being done in plastic, that's far bigger news than banshees being done in plastic... Which leads me onto thinking we will only see basnhees and jain zair being re-done so they are longing it out as long as possible to make it seem like the pointy ears are getting some love. My mind is full of smoke and mirrors these days lol..

The Eldar range doesn't even outsell a tac squad

The SoB conundrum. The models are gak and there is no interest, to create interest you need new models, but since they don't sell there is no interest.

Just look at that marines vs. tau box. Who wants these ugly FW? They look like a bad joke near new shiny primaris. Makes Tau look bad even though they do have cool stuff like suits and tanks.
Also people usually flock to new shiny stuff. If you don't make it you won't get anyone's attention. Good rules too. Craftworlds codex is a bit uneven with rules as some units are strong but some were always sorta pariahs through editions (like Banshees).

Thankfully new GW management decided that sometimes you have to take risks and appease the fans. Wonder how many of those sister boxes will sell and if it will change their opinion on how to properly support factions. Because no matter how many marines you sell, "heroes" are only ever interesting as their enemies are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNPZhzD4TiE

Apparently theres been more found in the websites guts.

 Shadenuat wrote:

The Eldar range doesn't even outsell a tac squad

The SoB conundrum. The models are gak and there is no interest, to create interest you need new models, but since they don't sell there is no interest.

Just look at that marines vs. tau box. Who wants these ugly FW? They look like a bad joke near new shiny primaris. Makes Tau look bad even though they do have cool stuff like suits and tanks.
Also people usually flock to new shiny stuff. If you don't make it you won't get anyone's attention. Good rules too. Craftworlds codex is a bit uneven with rules as some units are strong but some were always sorta pariahs through editions (like Banshees).

Thankfully new GW management decided that sometimes you have to take risks and appease the fans. Wonder how many of those sister boxes will sell and if it will change their opinion on how to properly support factions. Because no matter how many marines you sell, "heroes" are only ever interesting as their enemies are.

I agree with what you’re saying, but you know the Fire Warrior kit is fairly new right?

As a Biel-Tan player (among other things) who exclusively uses Aspect Warriors and The Avatar of Khaine I feel like my chosen brand of Eldar have not had much to cheer about for forever so I am very happy we're finally getting another Aspect Warrior in plastic besides the Dire Avengers.

Though I still prefer the design of the older metal ones from 3rd or 4th edition:

.. man someone the other day pointed out to me that eldar aspect warriors heads are as big as their body... I just can't help but immediatly notice that now.

.. man someone the other day pointed out to me that eldar aspect warriors heads are as big as their body... I just can't help but immediatly notice that now.

1. Its 40k so heads are generally out of proportion.

2. Eldar have giant helmets.

Justyn wrote:

.. man someone the other day pointed out to me that eldar aspect warriors heads are as big as their body... I just can't help but immediatly notice that now.

1. Its 40k so heads are generally out of proportion.

2. Eldar have giant helmets.

Somewhere that Ego needs to be stored

Wonder if we might get the Shining Spear and Warp Spider Phoenix Lords?

I mean, their armour is out there, somewhere. Therefore, so are they?