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Is Jain Zar's base adorned with the broken remnants of an Avatar of Khaine Statue? As that's certinaly what it looks like.

Probably the closest we'll ever get to a plastic Avatar of Khaine

The pieces of cloth on her glaive look like someone's (bad) conversion work. They probably took up a huge chunk of sprue space too.

I don't like Jain Zar.

The original one, that is.

This is a huge improvement.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Kinda like releasing a new model of car after 5 years and having it be just an iteration with largely non-impactful bells and whistles from modern tech, bare minimum improvement.

Well, GW are the Porsche of miniature design.

 Kanluwen wrote:
To be honest, if you weren't someone who found the artwork via a forum like this where we had an image literally labeled with Drazhar's name via Warhammer Art's website? You wouldn't know.

So if you weren't someone involved in a massive interconnected gaming space where millions of people discuss it world-wide, you wouldn't know.

That's some commentary there Kan.

 Kanluwen wrote:
They pulled the image off Warhammer Art's website now and the only place it's posted is the Community "Artwork Sighted" bit, where it's not labeled with Drazhar.

Because GW thinks you can take things off the Internet once they're out there.

Someone pointed out she has a bellybutton and now I can never unsee it

GaroRobe wrote:
Someone pointed out she has a bellybutton and now I can never unsee it

Little bit of Joel Shumacher influence there?

She's always had a belly button

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:
Someone pointed out she has a bellybutton and now I can never unsee it

Little bit of Joel Shumacher influence there?

nah there's no nipples on the armor

I really dislike how they are dragging this out. She could have been previewed with the banshees or her and the next guy could have been done together. Worries me about how substantive PA will be

Hellebore wrote:
She's always had a belly button

Her armor didn't.
There was a soulstone in the waist, but now the armor plate has a belly button.

Voss wrote:

Hellebore wrote:
She's always had a belly button

Her armor didn't.
There was a soulstone in the waist, but now the armor plate has a belly button.

Yes it was a bellybutton stone, like a navel ring before it was cool...

So i really like Jain Zar, model looks good. Even like the hair.
But who is posing these, its just a really meh pose D:
I am happy to see her get a new model, and even one i like.
But its still a disappointment due to just a really bad pose :(

Apple fox wrote:
So i really like Jain Zar, model looks good. Even like the hair.
But who is posing these, its just a really meh pose D:
I am happy to see her get a new model, and even one i like.
But its still a disappointment due to just a really bad pose :(

Someone at GW really likes 'acrobatic' poses for elves/eldar.
It kicked off with the last metal wardancers (several of models are doing flips), went to weird places with the spellsingers are just sort of jumped around for Harlequins, Witch elves, and assorted related things. Even the latest Legolas.
Particularly if they've got a single foot stuck to a piece of ruined wall, and the mini is woefully unbalanced and tends to fall over.

It isn't quite as bad as what they've been doing with spirits since the Nagash resculpt, but its still hellishly impractical for non-display pieces (which by default all of them are)

 xeen wrote:
I really dislike how they are dragging this out. She could have been previewed with the banshees or her and the next guy could have been done together. Worries me about how substantive PA will be

well here's the way I see it, they're previewing one new thing a week. we know PA:1 proably isn't going to be on pre-order next week. as most likely they'll wanna finish off marines first. assuming a new preview every monday until release. that gives at least 2 more previews. I'm going to guess we'll eaither get another aspect warrior kit and another DE unit type kit, or harliquins will get a new kit and character. and that'll be it.

 Shadenuat wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
this is where autocannons might be preferable.
but when no other choice, 30 guardsmen.

Yeah, I mean, just Fall Back. Unless Eldar player also somehow takes a hostage and then moves Jain around to proc more attacks... it all looks fairly complicated.

Sometimes you just have to kill somebody. I have ended up in situation where I just have to charge and kill somebody I would normally never charge because literally I have no chance of winning the game if I don't kill him and everything else I had in my disposal failed at the task.

Albeit rare but technically possible and when it was asked what's the most you might see...well that's the most. Not the usual.


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 xeen wrote:
I really dislike how they are dragging this out. She could have been previewed with the banshees or her and the next guy could have been done together. Worries me about how substantive PA will be

Sure. And have nothing to show this week

Voss wrote:

Apple fox wrote:
So i really like Jain Zar, model looks good. Even like the hair.
But who is posing these, its just a really meh pose D:
I am happy to see her get a new model, and even one i like.
But its still a disappointment due to just a really bad pose :(

Someone at GW really likes 'acrobatic' poses for elves/eldar.
It kicked off with the last metal wardancers (several of models are doing flips), went to weird places with the spellsingers are just sort of jumped around for Harlequins, Witch elves, and assorted related things. Even the latest Legolas.
Particularly if they've got a single foot stuck to a piece of ruined wall, and the mini is woefully unbalanced and tends to fall over.

It isn't quite as bad as what they've been doing with spirits since the Nagash resculpt, but its still hellishly impractical for non-display pieces (which by default all of them are)

They've gotten much better at making it look, if not natural, then at least not too un-natural... the first lot of Harlequins they tried it on just wound up looking like they were bouncing around the battlefield on over-starched loincloths.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Yea if anyone is expecting Night Lords in this release I'd prepare to be disappointed...

Can we spoilerify some of the 'Jain Zar has gone to the barber' pictures please?

I don't think there'll be anything in terms of new models for Harlies. Not this release anyways.

If anyone is expecting Night Lords in an Eldar-heavy release and storyline then they're barking mad. Emperor's Children would be the Legion you'd expect to get anything...simply because of the whole Slaanesh connection.

One thing that I've noticed a lot in different groups and forums...what's up with all the Dark Eldar players thinking Jain Zar's opponent is going to be Vect?

We've seen the artwork. We've seen the fact that the 'counterpart' unit being released is Incubi. And we know of an existing Incubi special character who not only has a model dating back to 3rd edition but also is a specialist duellist...

I just hope Drazhar doesn't manage to look blandly generic....

I mean it’s fairly obvious at this point the box will be DE vs CWE, so Ynnari players can use the lot. Maybe the new units and some filler old kits like Guardians to bump the price up and make you buy stuff you don’t need. Standard MO.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
They pulled the image off Warhammer Art's website now and the only place it's posted is the Community "Artwork Sighted" bit, where it's not labeled with Drazhar.

Because GW thinks you can take things off the Internet once they're out there.

Or, they are geniuses at the meta-level.
Some discursive PR judo...

Those fans first 'in-the-know' take on 'desire to tell' motivations
for various reasons
and this moves the idea, adds to its intrigue, puts fire into the community.

Contemporary marketing is like a brain infection, giving or receiving.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Yea if anyone is expecting Night Lords in this release I'd prepare to be disappointed...

Can we spoilerify some of the 'Jain Zar has gone to the barber' pictures please?

I don't think there'll be anything in terms of new models for Harlies. Not this release anyways.

If anyone is expecting Night Lords in an Eldar-heavy release and storyline then they're barking mad. Emperor's Children would be the Legion you'd expect to get anything...simply because of the whole Slaanesh connection.

One thing that I've noticed a lot in different groups and forums...what's up with all the Dark Eldar players thinking Jain Zar's opponent is going to be Vect?

We've seen the artwork. We've seen the fact that the 'counterpart' unit being released is Incubi. And we know of an existing Incubi special character who not only has a model dating back to 3rd edition but also is a specialist duellist...

I just hope Drazhar doesn't manage to look blandly generic....

The Vect theory may come from the Artwork, despite being labeled Jain Zar vs Drazhar, the new *Drazhar* looks just like a normal klaivex wich is odd and there is a rare looking ravager/raider in the middle everyone is guessing if it's a new model or artistic license.

Considering Vect in the past came in the Dais of destruction (his personal raider) DE are just wishful thinking for his return with rules to the game (like they did with Gotrek in AoS) IMHO.

It was clearly a mistake that the art was released and they have scrambled to try and rectify the mistake.

The next unit to be previewed will obviously be Drahzar too. Anyone with even a vague interest in releases and rumours will be aware too - I'm sure every 40k 'news' site has kept the artwork and reported the original name. Not to mention it's incredibly obvious from the picture itself.

As to the release of news on PA - I think people are sick and/or bored of the Marine releases now and I don't believe that providing information on both models this week would mean they have nothing to report next week. They could simply move the news quicker.

The frustration is that 2 things are becoming evident - first the 4 units are likely all that Aeldari players can expect and second that GW aren't looking to release this first PA book as quickly as some of us would hope.

Jain Zar looks nice overall, but is there a reason she couldn't just have her feet on the ground? Too many models are awkwardly suspended in mid-air these days.

I love how basically every character model they released in the last months splits the community in half, with one half loving it and one half hating it

I didn't like the original, which was easily my least favorite of the already goofy-looking Phoenix Lords. This does nothing to change it, they just doubled down on the goof factor. I like the basic banshees and exarch but I hoped they'd reinvent Jain to be a bit more modern in style.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
It was clearly a mistake that the art was released and they have scrambled to try and rectify the mistake.

The next unit to be previewed will obviously be Drahzar too. Anyone with even a vague interest in releases and rumours will be aware too - I'm sure every 40k 'news' site has kept the artwork and reported the original name. Not to mention it's incredibly obvious from the picture itself.

As to the release of news on PA - I think people are sick and/or bored of the Marine releases now and I don't believe that providing information on both models this week would mean they have nothing to report next week. They could simply move the news quicker.

The frustration is that 2 things are becoming evident - first the 4 units are likely all that Aeldari players can expect and second that GW aren't looking to release this first PA book as quickly as some of us would hope.

Only these models would be ok.

I am afraid that, given the artwork, it'll be an overpriced big box with the two characters, a 5-squad of the new units and a pile of ancient Guardians / Kabalite sprues every Eldar player already owns in abundance bundled in.

Late to the party but the video was pretty cool. Not wild about using her hair as a pogo stick but it's acceptable.

The belly button now matches the other Banshees and their belly buttons.

Jain Zar looks cool.
Had she been for AoS she would have had a weapons profile for the hair!

I note the prophecy is not really a prophecy but rather the complaining tweets of a grumpy Ranger.

I am hoping this psychic awaking takes a terrible twist for the Ynnari and they aren't the saviours of the Eldar race, but the destruction. I guess I'm wish listing a little bit but it'd be a cool twist.

Voss wrote:



Not entirely shocked that 'suspended in air, precariously balanced on hair precariously balanced on ruins' is the look they decided to go for... but I do so miss game-practical and transport-practical models. The Beastgrave elf-things still make me cringe every time (though it doesn't help that those are also ugly).

I'm always wondering how people transport their models for them to have this issue. Either foam frames or magnetized bases (even both combined in a solid metal box) will leave the model entirely undisturbed.

 BertBert wrote:

Voss wrote:



Not entirely shocked that 'suspended in air, precariously balanced on hair precariously balanced on ruins' is the look they decided to go for... but I do so miss game-practical and transport-practical models. The Beastgrave elf-things still make me cringe every time (though it doesn't help that those are also ugly).

I'm always wondering how people transport their models for them to have this issue. Either foam frames or magnetized bases (even both combined in a solid metal box) will leave the model entirely undisturbed.

Yeah. Transport tends to be less the issue IMO. It's more when 20 Genestealers on small bases and some Venomthropes or so piled into 2-3 Lord Discordants or Slaanesh Chariots on the bottom level of a GW ruin and you're trying to remove casualties, when it get's dicey

I do not get all the hate... it is SUCH a good model, the pose is great looks very natural, dynamic eligant and gracefull... a really good sculpt...

Those that say it is disappointing that it it is a bit meh and nothing new... thats a testament to how well the origional pheonix lords were designed... yes, they all (except Maugan Ra) need updating... but not that much, the basic designs are sound and classic... they just need to be updated pose and proportion wise and have some of the details refined...

Great work GW.

(the belly button makes no sense though).