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Drager wrote:
Even without the characters that's £15 off. Assuming each character is £20 that's £55 off buying everything at standard prices.

Sorry but are we seriously pretending that £20 for a single character is even remotely reasonable?

Interestingly.. what are the chances of the banshees not being monopose?

When was the last time we got a non monopose unit in a box set?

Seeing how they confirmed it has multiple wep options AND an alternate head.

I think it will just basically be that, and only that.

 vipoid wrote:

Drager wrote:
Even without the characters that's £15 off. Assuming each character is £20 that's £55 off buying everything at standard prices.

Sorry but are we seriously pretending that £20 for a single character is even remotely reasonable?

Darkoath Warqueen is £20 and has been for a long while.

GW character prices seem to jump around between around £12 and £20. Part of the issue is that plastic mould are much more expensive than metal or finecast so that tends to push the prices of them up compared to troop boxes. A box of core infantry you might buy three times just for one full squad and several times over that for multiple squads and different weapon loadouts. A leader you might buy several times; but a hero most customers will buy just the once; perhaps twice if the first was painted poorly, but then you're often looking at quite a few years between the purchases.

 vipoid wrote:

Drager wrote:
Even without the characters that's £15 off. Assuming each character is £20 that's £55 off buying everything at standard prices.

Sorry but are we seriously pretending that £20 for a single character is even remotely reasonable?

That's not an assumption made in my calculations, which is what I assume you are referencing.

I wonder how the box and book is linked.
The way I see it, the box is about Draz trying to kill Jain zar as a personal claim for fame.
But the actual campaign book is described as "The mightiest champions of the Asuryani, Drukhari and Ynnari will fight as one to prevent their ultimate doom."
Sound like the Blood of the phoenix is more like a prequel/intro to the actual campaign, and phoenix rising will se the eldar united?

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

Voss wrote:

New Obsessions for Kabals, Cults and Covens. They'll have to be really good to compete with existing ones (particularly for Cults and Covens), but the idea that the DE are getting nothing is flatly contradicted by the article.

My point is that both Craftwords and DE are getting subfaction rules. However, Craftwords then get both an extra psychic discipline *and* a whole table of powers for every one of their exarchs on top of that.

Whilst DE apparently get their subfaction traits and nothing else.

 Red Corsair wrote:

To be fair they are getting rules x 3 for army construction. I am sure the lists will each be a bit shorter but come on dude.

Oh whoopee. Thank goodness my once-whole army was split into 4 subfactions with 0 synergy between them.

Shall I break out a glass and celebrate the fact that Kabal still only has 1 HQ option that isn't a special character?

Nobody is asking you to celebrate anything, just to stop misrepresenting the facts so you can complain about getting new stuff.

I didn't misrepresent anything. But good to know you're prepared to lie to defend more awful products by GW.

Hilarious watching you say that as you then misrepresent me.


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Hellebore wrote:

phillv85 wrote:

Drager wrote:

phillv85 wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Guess Incubi are all male now. *shrug*

As they should be according to mythology.

Do you mean the mythology about demonic Incubi? I don't know any 40k mythology that has Incubi as always male.

Yes, classic mythology.

I mean it's true, but it doesn't make much sense that the Eldar use ancient earth mythology

I mean your not wrong, but at the same time all the howling banshees are female based on the exact same logic.


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 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Wyches are not primarily female. The models are about half and half.

How can you tell? Boob-plate?

Either way, the Succubus (that are the Incubi equivalent) are all female.

Succubi are exclusively female although the background does state they are most commonly female. Also Incubi are a a dark aspect shrine, not a rank or status, so it makes no sense saying a succubus is an incubus equivalent.

 vipoid wrote:

Drager wrote:
Even without the characters that's £15 off. Assuming each character is £20 that's £55 off buying everything at standard prices.

Sorry but are we seriously pretending that £20 for a single character is even remotely reasonable?

Reasonable? No. Gw price? Yes. Comparing value of box you look at gw prices, not unicorn fantasy land prices.

tneva82 wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Drager wrote:
Even without the characters that's £15 off. Assuming each character is £20 that's £55 off buying everything at standard prices.

Sorry but are we seriously pretending that £20 for a single character is even remotely reasonable?

Reasonable? No. Gw price? Yes. Comparing value of box you look at gw prices, not unicorn fantasy land prices.

What I was trying to get across was that a discount on prices that were completely unreasonable to begin with is hardly a point in GW's favour.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Succubi are exclusively female although the background does state they are most commonly female.

What? Does the background say they are exclusively female or not? To my knowledge, it does.

Also Incubi are a a dark aspect shrine, not a rank or status, so it makes no sense saying a succubus is an incubus equivalent.

I always though Incubi was exactly a rank. I didn't realise that GW have stated anywhere in the lore that it's an actual aspect shrine? Where's this from?

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Guess Incubi are all male now. *shrug*

How can you tell? We don't see their genitals and we don't even know what eldar genitals look like...

I can't think of many GW units which have mixed genders yet use identical bodies (i.e.: if wearing a helmet, the male and female versions would look the same). Various mixed Necromunda sets, Elves and Space Elves of different types, Warcry warbands, both armoured and unarmoured figures - those that are meant to be female will typically be different in the chest department at least, possibly also with a narrower waist, broader hips and/or narrower shoulders.

Drager wrote:With local retailer discount at 20% you're looking at £112 for something that would cost £200 if bought direct, that's not bad if you want the models.

You're comparing the bundle price at a discount with the price of separate items at full RRP? That seems.. skewed.

Honestly this box set looks pretty good.

I imagine I'm one of the few people out there whose Eldar collection doesn't yet include any falcons or vypers, so those are welcome additions for me. For Dark Eldar, as well, the only models I'd be doubling up on would be scourges and the rest would all find a home in my collection.

My main issue really is that this is coming out too close to the Sisters release and as much as I like the contents of this box set I'd much rather hold out for November.

While including poop-kits that arent' selling is annoying.

The biggest grievance is the 5 man banshee squad.

Only option is ebay or buying two boxes.

None of the kits in this set are particularly bad, they're just not played because there are stellar units in each respective codex.

I'm quite happy to add a third falcon to my Eldar and my first Vyper to my army.

This box is probably an auto-buy for me.

Well just looking at those sprues I think those will be fine.

Although annoying enough both Banshee and Incubi have sub-assembly for their heads.


Edit: And there is also a bare head option for Klaivex.

Kind of annoyed that they just did an unboxing video rather then rules leaks. I mean, we already know whats in the kit and what the finished models look like, why on earth would I care what the sprues look like, especially for all the kits that are already available lol?

Ive come to appreciate gw more after starting warmahordes, both pricing and models in themselves , but been quite a couple of bad sculpts lately from them IMO

So is there nothing for Harlequins in this "Aeldari" release?

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
None of the kits in this set are particularly bad, they're just not played because there are stellar units in each respective codex.

I'm quite happy to add a third falcon to my Eldar and my first Vyper to my army.

This box is probably an auto-buy for me.

Falcon is probably the worst unit in the Eldar book...so yes it is particularly bad :p Both models have been around since like 1996 or something so I wonder why its an auto-buy now. They really should have done jet bikes + wave serpent if they wanted to sell these... instead of 2 of the oldest units.

These sorts of sets occasionally look like ways of divulging with surplus inventory.

Tricktock wrote:
So is there nothing for Harlequins in this "Aeldari" release?

Their absence is very notable. I am assuming not, which is unfortunate because it'd mean I'd only need to buy one of these books.

Jacob29 wrote:
While including poop-kits that arent' selling is annoying.

The biggest grievance is the 5 man banshee squad.

Only option is ebay or buying two boxes.

Or swap with dark eldar player if you aren\t playing both. And if you are you are likely looking for 10 incubi's anyway so 2 will be in. Or would you want to pay some 30-40 more for 10 for both?

Jacob29 wrote:
Interestingly.. what are the chances of the banshees not being monopose?

When was the last time we got a non monopose unit in a box set?

Pretty regularly- Tooth and Claw was one, as was Toll the Dead. So was Wrath and Rapture, though the new units were monopose. There are effectively two different types of boxed sets. The precursor box, like Shadow Spear and the new Sisters box, and the 'alternate Starter' box which are two forces themed around the latest 'campaign.'

Looking at the Banshee sprue, there are notably 7 swords for five models (the exarch can take a pair), alternate heads for everyone, a Triskele and a halberd, and 6 pistols. Definitely not monopose.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
None of the kits in this set are particularly bad, they're just not played because there are stellar units in each respective codex.

I'm quite happy to add a third falcon to my Eldar and my first Vyper to my army.

This box is probably an auto-buy for me.

Falcon is probably the worst unit in the Eldar book...so yes it is particularly bad :p Both models have been around since like 1996 or something so I wonder why its an auto-buy now. They really should have done jet bikes + wave serpent if they wanted to sell these... instead of 2 of the oldest units.

Which sells without discount? Wave serpent or falcon? There's your answer.

They will sell these boxes this way without hurting their solo box sales. They don't put hottest cheese into the discount boxes. That's deliberate. Yet the boxes sell out. It's win-win for GW.

tneva82 wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
None of the kits in this set are particularly bad, they're just not played because there are stellar units in each respective codex.

I'm quite happy to add a third falcon to my Eldar and my first Vyper to my army.

This box is probably an auto-buy for me.

Falcon is probably the worst unit in the Eldar book...so yes it is particularly bad :p Both models have been around since like 1996 or something so I wonder why its an auto-buy now. They really should have done jet bikes + wave serpent if they wanted to sell these... instead of 2 of the oldest units.

Which sells without discount? Wave serpent or falcon? There's your answer.

They will sell these boxes this way without hurting their solo box sales. They don't put hottest cheese into the discount boxes. That's deliberate. Yet the boxes sell out. It's win-win for GW.

There is a difference between "hottest cheese" and utter garbage bin units. Lets not pretend anyone uses Falcons (in reasonable quantities) in narrative or matched play. You can make a fun and playable box by including units people might actually use more than once.

The fact that the latest news was just an unboxing (after they'd already showed us the box over the weekend) gives me 0 hope for Psychic Awakening having any rules worth a damn.

 vipoid wrote:
The fact that the latest news was just an unboxing (after they'd already showed us the box over the weekend) gives me 0 hope for Psychic Awakening having any rules worth a damn.

Dunno. We didn't get much advance notice about the rules for Shadowspear, but they turned out to be okay.

Honestly, anything they give Eldar is just going to make the army better. I'm more interested in other armies, especially Grey Knights.

kingheff wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the falcon is a very good unit. 137 PTS for a flying tank with twelve wounds and basically a triple las cannon that can carry a small squad of infantry is great value. If you want a dedicated transport go for the serpent, it's damage output is pretty poor, it's more expensive but it's tougher and has double the capacity.
A single falcon out damages a fire prism for 20pts less. With the strat prisms shine but only in groups of three.
I do wonder if the people who write it off have ever tried actually using one.

A single Falcon only out damages a Prism if the Prism moves. Shooting against a target with T8 the Prism wins without moving. Makes the box even worse.

I love how all these false rumors basically boiled down to an Eldar vs Eldar boxed set.

Well, a falcon is way better than 5 banshees, and better than most aspect units.
Sure, I dont know the new exarch abilities, but I dont expect miracles.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
I can't think of many GW units which have mixed genders yet use identical bodies (i.e.: if wearing a helmet, the male and female versions would look the same).

Tau.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
possibly also with a narrower waist, broader hips and/or narrower shoulders.

I don't think this applies to Eldar miniatures.