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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Assuming those prices is mightily optimistic.

Which just would make box even better deal...


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 Elbows wrote:
$230 is an absolute laugh, considering there are four small units in that box that people actually want. If these were all new models, or it came with the hard cover book in the box or something it would still be more than most people are going to plunk down for a single box....but a handful of new models with two kits which are literally 20+ years old...and you want to ask $230? That's incredible.

Sadly it'll likely mean sales will not be huge, and GW will think "Huh, guess people won't want plastic Aspects..."

Nah these are not for people with existing eldar armies that need no additions except for the new kits. This follows 100% pattern of previous discount boxes that have sold out. And so will this. And then ~6 months later the solo boxes come out for those old gognards who get to buy then without discount.

It's win-win for GW. Get to sell out first these boxes that are higher profit margin, then get the solo boxes sold later


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Dread Master wrote:
230.00 USD??? Wow..... Was considering this as a gift for one of my buddies. Nope.

I dread the prices of the aspect Warriors when released separately.

35-40$ is the ballmark to look for.

Gw has a long history of doing these boxes at about a 50% discount. Even if we assume the highest possible prices for the new kits we are looking at a $370 value in the US at a 35% discount. It is about $50 too much. I hope we don't have to wait too long for the individual kits. It also makes me worried about the price of the sisters box.

Hmm 230 US$ seems far fetched, but 230AUS$ sounds about right putting the box at about 120 quid. I looked back into the thread for the price leak, but I guess I'm really poor at it and couldn't find it...

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Dread Master wrote:
230.00 USD??? Wow..... Was considering this as a gift for one of my buddies. Nope.

I dread the prices of the aspect Warriors when released separately.

35-40$ is the ballmark to look for.

They'll be 50US$ just like many new GW kit and 1.5 sprues seem to be GW new standard for many kit now.

I've found uses for prisms, falcons and serpents.
Prisms for long range, static firepower and backfield camping. They're very good units
Serpents for transport and midfield harassment, I usually put vectored engines on them so they also get a move penalty for shooting and once that shield is popped it's not really any tougher than a falcon. With shuriken their damage against anything tougher than guard is pretty underwhelming.
They're excellent transports but not very good tanks.
Falcons with star canon and CTM can engage with more heavily armoured targets like marines a lot better than a serpent. They grab objectives and harass units a lot better than prisms. They're also great for sniping out exposed characters.
They're very good units, they may not be specialists but sometimes flexibility is its own strength.

Chikout wrote:
Gw has a long history of doing these boxes at about a 50% discount.

They also have a long history of not even making enough for pre-orders.
GW... current masters of ltd editions and selling via fomo.

This box seems more about shifting ancient models that are cluttering there warehouse/have not made there mold costs back than introducing new kits.

It is following exact same pattern GW has been doing for years. New kit or two(this actually is breaking the pattern a bit with FOUR new kits), then bunch of old kits to get decent discount without hurting individual kit sales while giving better profit margin for GW(as the extra sprues themselves are free).

This was 90% forseeable release.(only ??? was exact what old units would be in there but even there not that many options. Old kit, can't be selling too well on it's own)

kingheff wrote:

Khahandran wrote:

kingheff wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the falcon is a very good unit. 137 PTS for a flying tank with twelve wounds and basically a triple las cannon that can carry a small squad of infantry is great value. If you want a dedicated transport go for the serpent, it's damage output is pretty poor, it's more expensive but it's tougher and has double the capacity.
A single falcon out damages a fire prism for 20pts less. With the strat prisms shine but only in groups of three.
I do wonder if the people who write it off have ever tried actually using one.

A single Falcon only out damages a Prism if the Prism moves. Shooting against a target with T8 the Prism wins without moving. Makes the box even worse.

Against t7 3+ the falcon wins on average, on t8 3+ the prism wins on average, both assuming the prism double shoots.
Considering the falcon is cheaper, can carry a small squad and works best in a midfield role means it's a perfectly good vehicle that fulfills a different role. And it's certainly not the worst unit in the codex as some hyperbolic person said.

Sorry, but your maths is wrong. Average on D3 is 2 giving the Prism twice the number of shots over the Falcon. Both hit on 3+ and both wound on 3+ against the t7 but the Falcon allows a save where as the Prism does not.

Twice the number of shots allowing no save but only doing 1 less damage? The Prism wins both average and max damage.

Its a good discount for the boxed set when you look at the total price of the models within but I just can't see many people spending over $200 on one GW purchase.

I mean CWE get 8 models. 8 models is not many. 2 of those 8 every CWE player already owns. Shadowspear was $175 and had around 20 models per faction, all new.

Perhaps they're including Phoenix Rising in the box too? Otherwise I can't see this boxed set doing too well.

Box sets have always seemed like good gifts for new players and kids for birthdays and holidays. Not so much for existing fans.

tneva82 wrote:
Which just would make box even better deal...

Quite true, but some of us don't really want another Falcon or another Vyper.

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 Tyranid Horde wrote:
None of the kits in this set are particularly bad, they're just not played because there are stellar units in each respective codex.

I'm quite happy to add a third falcon to my Eldar and my first Vyper to my army.

This box is probably an auto-buy for me.

Falcon is probably the worst unit in the Eldar book...so yes it is particularly bad :p Both models have been around since like 1996 or something so I wonder why its an auto-buy now. They really should have done jet bikes + wave serpent if they wanted to sell these... instead of 2 of the oldest units.

I think you ought to go and read the codex again, it's far from the worst (or shall I list them?). Plus, as someone who owns eight of the falcon chassis, they've held up pretty well against time. And if you really want to stretch the box, you can convert the falcon into a wave serpent, there is about half a dozen extra pieces of difference.

The box is an auto-buy for the reasons I've already mentioned, nice try.

Khahandran wrote:

kingheff wrote:

Khahandran wrote:

kingheff wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the falcon is a very good unit. 137 PTS for a flying tank with twelve wounds and basically a triple las cannon that can carry a small squad of infantry is great value. If you want a dedicated transport go for the serpent, it's damage output is pretty poor, it's more expensive but it's tougher and has double the capacity.
A single falcon out damages a fire prism for 20pts less. With the strat prisms shine but only in groups of three.
I do wonder if the people who write it off have ever tried actually using one.

A single Falcon only out damages a Prism if the Prism moves. Shooting against a target with T8 the Prism wins without moving. Makes the box even worse.

Against t7 3+ the falcon wins on average, on t8 3+ the prism wins on average, both assuming the prism double shoots.
Considering the falcon is cheaper, can carry a small squad and works best in a midfield role means it's a perfectly good vehicle that fulfills a different role. And it's certainly not the worst unit in the codex as some hyperbolic person said.

Sorry, but your maths is wrong. Average on D3 is 2 giving the Prism twice the number of shots over the Falcon. Both hit on 3+ and both wound on 3+ against the t7 but the Falcon allows a save where as the Prism does not.

Twice the number of shots allowing no save but only doing 1 less damage? The Prism wins both average and max damage.

I assume you didn't include a bright Lance? I get 3.5 wounds with the prism and 3.7 for the falcon with that load out.
With the bright lance and CTM it's still 12 PTS cheaper than the prism too plus it may get to fire the catapults too for a bit of anti screen.

Just checked our resident French leakerdude who has said that Banshees won't be out separately soon. Expected, but just wanted to provide the info.

Unfortunately it's to be expected, probably puts the kybosh on any more aspects getting updated soon too. :(
Hopefully the rules will make the older models better.

kingheff wrote:

Khahandran wrote:

kingheff wrote:

Khahandran wrote:

kingheff wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the falcon is a very good unit. 137 PTS for a flying tank with twelve wounds and basically a triple las cannon that can carry a small squad of infantry is great value. If you want a dedicated transport go for the serpent, it's damage output is pretty poor, it's more expensive but it's tougher and has double the capacity.
A single falcon out damages a fire prism for 20pts less. With the strat prisms shine but only in groups of three.
I do wonder if the people who write it off have ever tried actually using one.

A single Falcon only out damages a Prism if the Prism moves. Shooting against a target with T8 the Prism wins without moving. Makes the box even worse.

Against t7 3+ the falcon wins on average, on t8 3+ the prism wins on average, both assuming the prism double shoots.
Considering the falcon is cheaper, can carry a small squad and works best in a midfield role means it's a perfectly good vehicle that fulfills a different role. And it's certainly not the worst unit in the codex as some hyperbolic person said.

Sorry, but your maths is wrong. Average on D3 is 2 giving the Prism twice the number of shots over the Falcon. Both hit on 3+ and both wound on 3+ against the t7 but the Falcon allows a save where as the Prism does not.

Twice the number of shots allowing no save but only doing 1 less damage? The Prism wins both average and max damage.

I assume you didn't include a bright Lance? I get 3.5 wounds with the prism and 3.7 for the falcon with that load out.
With the bright lance and CTM it's still 12 PTS cheaper than the prism too plus it may get to fire the catapults too for a bit of anti screen.

Of course I didn't, because that's an option. Yes with that combination against that target it will out damage a Prism. Hardly a blanket statement that you made though.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Just checked our resident French leakerdude who has said that Banshees won't be out separately soon. Expected, but just wanted to provide the info.

somehow this doesn't suprise meespecially given how long it's taking GW to put outthe multipart infiltrator kit.

Urgh. So half the box is a faction I don't want to start, and the other half is mostly garbage units nobody plays. Falcons are rubbish, always have been, period.

Hard pass from me. Very disappointing and I doubt they will sell many at all. Sometimes wonder what they are thinking...

Of course - if they change the points/rules in the box and make all those units good...

they would have been better served putting in both new units, both new characters and a troops for each faction, so guardians and kabalites. Maybe splash in a raider and wave serpent because it thematically fits better and stick a £105 tag on it - it's essentially 2 start collecting boxes then and useful core units for both sides.


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zerosignal wrote:
Urgh. So half the box is a faction I don't want to start, and the other half is mostly garbage units nobody plays. Falcons are rubbish, always have been, period.

Hard pass from me. Very disappointing and I doubt they will sell many at all. Sometimes wonder what they are thinking...

Of course - if they change the points/rules in the box and make all those units good...

but this is kinda a people problem, GW don't care if they're "good"

The funny thing is that GW just doesn't have a lot to put into the box from Craftworlds side to fit the concept, or what already wasn't in other boxes, because there isn't anything to put.

What other plastic infantry could they put there? Guardians? Those already were in a few boxes and they don't make much sense for Aspect-bowl. Wraithguard? Featured in 2 boxes. It would make sense for say Swooping Hawks face off Scourges, but here's a problem: there are NO plastic Hawks.

The Craftworlds line, specifically infantry, just doesn't have miniatures to create varied boxes out of them.

Wake the dead had two squads of troops and a serpent amongst other things.
I assume they don't want to keep putting out the same kits in each box. Although with the sorry state of our plastic kits they are quite limited.

Yes, same as start collecting (WG) and whatever that Craftworlds army promo is (WG and Guardians).

 Shadenuat wrote:
The funny thing is that GW just doesn't have a lot to put into the box from Craftworlds side to fit the concept, or what already wasn't in other boxes, because there isn't anything to put.

What other plastic infantry could they put there? Guardians? Those already were in a few boxes and they don't make much sense for Aspect-bowl. Wraithguard? Featured in 2 boxes. It would make sense for say Swooping Hawks face off Scourges, but here's a problem: there are NO plastic Hawks.

The Craftworlds line, specifically infantry, just doesn't have miniatures to create varied boxes out of them.

No need to make new kit, give people 10 banshee + jain zar + watever viper/war walker/falco vs 10 incubi + drazhar + watever DE kit. And definitely not at 230US$.

Ofc but between making more money and making people happy, GW would choose the money.

That is not to mention they reduce their usual 2 sprues 5 man kit to their new 1.5 sprue kit, which cut down cost even more.

Chopstick wrote:

 Shadenuat wrote:
The funny thing is that GW just doesn't have a lot to put into the box from Craftworlds side to fit the concept, or what already wasn't in other boxes, because there isn't anything to put.

What other plastic infantry could they put there? Guardians? Those already were in a few boxes and they don't make much sense for Aspect-bowl. Wraithguard? Featured in 2 boxes. It would make sense for say Swooping Hawks face off Scourges, but here's a problem: there are NO plastic Hawks.

The Craftworlds line, specifically infantry, just doesn't have miniatures to create varied boxes out of them.

No need to make new kit, give people 10 banshee + jain zar + watever viper/war walker/falco vs 10 incubi + drazhar + watever DE kit. And definitely not at 230US$.

Ofc but between making more money and making people happy, GW would choose the money.

That is not to mention they reduce the usual 2 sprues 5 man kit to their new 1.5 sprue kit, which cut down cost even more.

This is exactly my opinion, 10x banshee and incubi, 1x Jain zar and Drazhar and 1x Wave Serpent and Raider.

Throw it with lower price and the box jumps from the *good to share with a friend* to I now haver a decent Vanguard Detachment there if i get another elite unit somewhere so i can keep the whole box.

Many of the complaints here are honestly idiotic.

Its not good value beacuse the units are not top-tier?
I know its a common trope of haters, but FFS GW do not actually prices stuff by their competitive rates.

There are, as Sahdenuat has noted, not THAT MANY plastic eldar kits, and eldar have gotten a LOT of boxs recently.
Wake the Dead was a mere year ago, with a spiritseer, a wave serpent, guardians and wraithguard.
Eldar was also one of the 2018 Christmas kits, with a farseer, guardians (again), dire avengers, windriders, vyper and a freaking wraithknight
Star collecting is also what, 2 years old? less? it has a farseer (again), wraithguard (again), and a wraithlord.


What plastic eldar are LEFT?
We already HAVE overlaps, and heck this new set will ALSO have an overlap-because there are no more plastic eldar.

Sure, they could put war walkers, but would that make anyone happy? they don't fit the theme, the kit is just as old and its honestly not ascetically appealing.
And the planes? these are WAY above the scale of such kits. you don't put a freaking plane is these kits, it would be like having tau VS admech and giving tau a riptide to face some admech infantry.


Like, jesus, take a chill pill.
Its a cute set. its not for everyone-nothing is for everyone.
Maybe some will split if with a friend, maybe they want to build both eldar and DE, maybe they want to get yannari-I don't know, I don't care.

Enough with the hate train people.
Seriously, some people on dakka make me wonder if they have any love for 40k in general or are they just here to hate on everything GW ever does.

Falcons are rubbish, always have been

*laughs in pop-up Falcons*

Chopstick wrote:


No need to make new kit, give people 10 banshee + jain zar + watever viper/war walker/falco vs 10 incubi + drazhar + watever DE kit. And definitely not at 230US$.

Ofc but between making more money and making people happy, GW would choose the money.

That is not to mention they reduce their usual 2 sprues 5 man kit to their new 1.5 sprue kit, which cut down cost even more.

Even at £140 this would have been an insta-buy for me. Without a doubt.

I have always wanted Banshees in my hobby years (since about 2010/11) but never wanted to buy metal or finecrap. Promised myself I would not buy resin products from GW.

Now we are finally here where I get this play this legendary unit and we either shell out BIG time, or wait another 6 months to a year. Amazing.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Many of the complaints here are honestly idiotic.

As above.. they should have just made it 10 Incubi and 10 Banshees. Literally nobody would have complained about this and would be 10x more tempted to buy. Even ignoring the 20 year old kits in the box, 5 banshees are pointless. Especially when there is no proper way to expand the squad for another year.

We'd be best having the discussion about the relative merits of the Flacon grav tank elsewhere , thanks.

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 shabbadoo wrote:
Drazhar is decent, but not a Phoenix Lord. Okay, maybe there will be a comic called "Lil' Phoenix Lord," but he shouldn't be one. He's just a really skillled Incubi. Arha. Now there's Phoenix Lord, but he's fallen to Chaos

According to the Incubi he didn't fall, he was possessed but managed to hold the demon at bay from corrupting his spirit (although it controlled his body) and when he was killed by his disciples his soul escaped, pure, and inhabited those followers, so could have been reborn as other Phoenix Lords are. The other story is clearly Craftworld propaganda.

On behalf of the elder Eldar authors, let me offer you this token for a free tour of the Chambers of the Haemoculi. You will emerge a changed person - guaranteed!

As the Ynnari are a sort of bridge between the Aeldari and the Drukhari, it would be interesting to see a *real* Arha (and other more darkererer Aeldari) emerge on the other end of things, being a bridge between the Drukhari and Chaos. I probably wouldn't be able to resist the temptation...the lure...of buying such models.