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Racerguy180 wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:It's like the game itself. Those people demanding structure are in the majority, and the imaginative minority that wants a sandbox will do their own thing regardless of official lore.

It's like people forgot that their own imagination exists. or they forgot they could use it. or people are just becoming more and more reliant on what others come up with(like netlisting).

Yes because NOBODY would ever have figured out any broken lists ever with how poor GW releases rules!
Stop attacking this imaginary "netlisting" and attack the core problem itself: shoddy rules writing.

 Ratius wrote:
SW vs Orks is a bit.....uninventive. Didnt we already have a boxed set of them a while back?

might not even be a boxed set. that said if it is maybe it means new Boyz?

 Ratius wrote:

Volume 1: Asuryani vs. Drukhari (October 2019)

Volume 2 : Chaos vs BT (end of November)

Volume 3: Blood Angels vs. Tyranids (before 2020)

Volume 4: SW vs Ork (inevitably after)

Is the above confirmed or still rumour?

If nothing else, it strikes me as astonishingly unlikely that volume 3 is releasing in December. I'll be quite surprised if Chaos vs BT is in November given the Sisters release, but it's at least plausible. GW don't do major releases that close to Christmas for lots of consistent logistics reasons.

I don't think SW vs Orks is too unlikely though, assuming that the purpose of Psychic Awakening seems to be to shift a bunch of finecast to plastic. SWs still have stacks of characters to redo (and a Primaris Ragnar seems a shoe-in). And Orks need the plastic Deffkopters, a plastic warboss kit and plastic grots badly enough that it would fill up a box.

John D Law wrote:
I may have missed it somewhere else but did anyone mention the Inquisition stuff coming in the November white dwarf?

Not in this thread to my knowledge. Any details?

 Ratius wrote:
SW vs Orks is a bit.....uninventive. Didnt we already have a boxed set of them a while back?

There's only so many combinations for Marines versus ... boxes.

 The Phazer wrote:
And Orks need the plastic Deffkopters, a plastic warboss kit and plastic grots badly enough that it would fill up a box.

They could just release Grukk as a generic warboss and we've had plastic grots for ages. We do still need (or at least want) plastic deffkoptas, more characters (big mek with KFF, any bike characters, weirdboy, mega-armour warboss, any special characters) and various units which are now mostly made by kit-bashing (tankbustaz, kommandos, nob bikers). Characters and kit-bashable units which don't have official plastic models seem like decent candidates for a box set.

 The Phazer wrote:

 Ratius wrote:

Volume 1: Asuryani vs. Drukhari (October 2019)

Volume 2 : Chaos vs BT (end of November)

Volume 3: Blood Angels vs. Tyranids (before 2020)

Volume 4: SW vs Ork (inevitably after)

Is the above confirmed or still rumour?

If nothing else, it strikes me as astonishingly unlikely that volume 3 is releasing in December. I'll be quite surprised if Chaos vs BT is in November given the Sisters release, but it's at least plausible. GW don't do major releases that close to Christmas for lots of consistent logistics reasons.

I don't think SW vs Orks is too unlikely though, assuming that the purpose of Psychic Awakening seems to be to shift a bunch of finecast to plastic. SWs still have stacks of characters to redo (and a Primaris Ragnar seems a shoe-in). And Orks need the plastic Deffkopters, a plastic warboss kit and plastic grots badly enough that it would fill up a box.

just because they're needed doesn't mean they'll get them all, I mean it's not like Eldar saw a complete range revamp of their aspect warriors.

 Ratius wrote:
SW vs Orks is a bit.....uninventive. Didnt we already have a boxed set of them a while back?

Both BA vs. Nids and SW vs. Orks were boxed sets in 7th.

I guess fake rumors just aren’t as creative as they used to be back in the Plastic Thunderhawks and Nurgle/Slaanesh/Tzeentch Daemonkin days

BrianDavion wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:

 Ratius wrote:

Volume 1: Asuryani vs. Drukhari (October 2019)

Volume 2 : Chaos vs BT (end of November)

Volume 3: Blood Angels vs. Tyranids (before 2020)

Volume 4: SW vs Ork (inevitably after)

Is the above confirmed or still rumour?

If nothing else, it strikes me as astonishingly unlikely that volume 3 is releasing in December. I'll be quite surprised if Chaos vs BT is in November given the Sisters release, but it's at least plausible. GW don't do major releases that close to Christmas for lots of consistent logistics reasons.

I don't think SW vs Orks is too unlikely though, assuming that the purpose of Psychic Awakening seems to be to shift a bunch of finecast to plastic. SWs still have stacks of characters to redo (and a Primaris Ragnar seems a shoe-in). And Orks need the plastic Deffkopters, a plastic warboss kit and plastic grots badly enough that it would fill up a box.

just because they're needed doesn't mean they'll get them all, I mean it's not like Eldar saw a complete range revamp of their aspect warriors.

I very much doubt they'll get all of them too, and those were just indicative examples (as pointed out above, Tankbustas are another example). But I think the point remains that they can make some progress on it, and that's probably all the justification GW need.

 The Phazer wrote:

 Ratius wrote:

Volume 1: Asuryani vs. Drukhari (October 2019)

Volume 2 : Chaos vs BT (end of November)

Volume 3: Blood Angels vs. Tyranids (before 2020)

Volume 4: SW vs Ork (inevitably after)

Is the above confirmed or still rumour?

If nothing else, it strikes me as astonishingly unlikely that volume 3 is releasing in December. I'll be quite surprised if Chaos vs BT is in November given the Sisters release, but it's at least plausible. GW don't do major releases that close to Christmas for lots of consistent logistics reasons.

I don't think SW vs Orks is too unlikely though, assuming that the purpose of Psychic Awakening seems to be to shift a bunch of finecast to plastic. SWs still have stacks of characters to redo (and a Primaris Ragnar seems a shoe-in). And Orks need the plastic Deffkopters, a plastic warboss kit and plastic grots badly enough that it would fill up a box.

It could be at the end of December, just after Christmas for the 3rd volume- they've done that before especially given it looks like these releases are towards the end of the month. If they are just a book and a box set its pretty easy to set them into a one week release window so it wouldn't surprise me if they do come out once a month. A book, 2 kits and 2 characters is a small release really- they might not all be boxed sets.

 Geifer wrote:
There's only so many combinations for Marines versus ... boxes.

There are literally hundreds. I believe that raven guard, imperial (and crimson) fists, iron hands, salamanders, white scars and grey knights have never appeared in a box set, nor have any of the traitor forces except the death guard. That's 48 possible combinations of marine-vs-marine which would give two completely new forces. I think every xenos army has appeared in at least one set, but guard or 'agents of the emperor' vs. traitors might be viable, giving us a few more options. Once you start getting into armies which have already been done but in combinations not seen before, you have a wealth of options.

That said, Space Wolves are apparently the most popular divergent marine force and they are probably going to be the first to get unique primaris units, plus they have an abundance of special characters to do. Orks have some glaring holes in their range and the sculptors seem to enjoy making monopose oddities for them, so they seem like a moderately good bet too.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
SW vs Orks is a bit.....uninventive. Didnt we already have a boxed set of them a while back?

might not even be a boxed set. that said if it is maybe it means new Boyz?

Gosh no. Current ones are just fine, don't need the inevitable biggification and price hike and there's loooooooot more pressing issues orks need than new boyz box making collecting orks even more expensive.

 The Phazer wrote:
And Orks need the plastic Deffkopters, a plastic warboss kit and plastic grots badly enough that it would fill up a box.

And grots are even less in need of a kit! Especially seeing how many you need. Price hike last thing grots need.

 The Phazer wrote:
And Orks need the plastic Deffkopters, a plastic warboss kit and plastic grots badly enough that it would fill up a box.

There is both plastig gretchin and a plastic warboss though

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
SW vs Orks is a bit.....uninventive. Didnt we already have a boxed set of them a while back?

Both BA vs. Nids and SW vs. Orks were boxed sets in 7th.

I guess fake rumors just aren’t as creative as they used to be back in the Plastic Thunderhawks and Nurgle/Slaanesh/Tzeentch Daemonkin days

Then again this comes up from fairly reliable source so far.

tneva82 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
SW vs Orks is a bit.....uninventive. Didnt we already have a boxed set of them a while back?

might not even be a boxed set. that said if it is maybe it means new Boyz?

Gosh no. Current ones are just fine, don't need the inevitable biggification and price hike and there's loooooooot more pressing issues orks need than new boyz box making collecting orks even more expensive.

This. I'd rather have GW some more plastic aspect warriors than a new boyz kit, and I don't even own a single eldar model.

Yeah, with most of the Ork range still being in finecast having new boys is the lowest priority. Boys are fine. If you don't like thicc orks that's your problem.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
There's only so many combinations for Marines versus ... boxes.

There are literally hundreds. I believe that raven guard, imperial (and crimson) fists, iron hands, salamanders, white scars and grey knights have never appeared in a box set, nor have any of the traitor forces except the death guard. That's 48 possible combinations of marine-vs-marine which would give two completely new forces. I think every xenos army has appeared in at least one set, but guard or 'agents of the emperor' vs. traitors might be viable, giving us a few more options. Once you start getting into armies which have already been done but in combinations not seen before, you have a wealth of options.

That said, Space Wolves are apparently the most popular divergent marine force and they are probably going to be the first to get unique primaris units, plus they have an abundance of special characters to do. Orks have some glaring holes in their range and the sculptors seem to enjoy making monopose oddities for them, so they seem like a moderately good bet too.

Mathematically the number of 40k factions allows for a wealth of options, yes. It's not really what GW does, though. What were the last boxes that pitted Marines against something else? Ultramarines versus Black Legion. Ultramarines versus Eldar. Space Wolves versus Genestealers. Ultramarines versus Death Guard. The list goes on as we move back to 7th ed and I think the most interesting one there would be Deathwatch versus Eldar and Genestealers respectively.

The problem is that even in spite of a few fringe cases, GW rarely ever moves beyond the Big Four. And since special characters aside Ultramarines just used to use the same models as most other chapters, and with Primaris extending even to Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Dark Angels, you're just not going to see a lot of variety in the models themselves and not much beyond the four colors of those chapters.

Also, Chaos Marines are not the same as Marines in this regard. Especially these days GW is very clear in their depiction of good guy loyalists and bad guy traitors, both in the background and in the visual design of the models.

We are getting battle boxes without Marines in them these days, few though they may be. That's great and it opens the door to seeing Imperial Guard face off against the enemies of mankind instead of Marines as usual (though I'd prefer if maybe GW could release a new plastic regiment for that one, please). But in the majority of cases when you do see Marines in battle boxes, it's one of the Big Four. If something good (other than those neat chapter upgrade sprues) were to come out of the chapter supplement deluge, I'd hope it's a broader spread of Marines featured in battle boxes. But until that actually happens, I have no reason to believe GW is going to change policy.

Which takes me back to what I originally said, the number of variations is fairly low. If not in theory, it definitely is in practical terms.

 Geifer wrote:

Mathematically the number of 40k factions allows for a wealth of options, yes. It's not really what GW does, though. What were the last boxes that pitted Marines against something else? Ultramarines versus Black Legion. Ultramarines versus Eldar. Space Wolves versus Genestealers. Ultramarines versus Death Guard. The list goes on as we move back to 7th ed and I think the most interesting one there would be Deathwatch versus Eldar and Genestealers respectively.

while technically not a battlebox, but deathwatch overkill already was a deathwatch vs. genestealer cult box

terry wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

Mathematically the number of 40k factions allows for a wealth of options, yes. It's not really what GW does, though. What were the last boxes that pitted Marines against something else? Ultramarines versus Black Legion. Ultramarines versus Eldar. Space Wolves versus Genestealers. Ultramarines versus Death Guard. The list goes on as we move back to 7th ed and I think the most interesting one there would be Deathwatch versus Eldar and Genestealers respectively.

while technically not a battlebox, but deathwatch overkill already was a deathwatch vs. genestealer cult box

Yes, that was what he was referring to.

Fresh French rumours- Christmas releases including Army boxes for 6 40k factions SW, BA and Nids included.

Translation via google translate-

"Sister of battles:
The first box including the new army figures will be available between November 10 and 20 and the collector version will exist in French.
There will be no further news until February / March 2020.
 
Necromunda:
New Necromunda box including a new band and with new rules.
 
Battleforce Christmas:
There will be 10 different Battelforce.
145 euros / piece
4 for AOS: Nighthaunt / Skaven / Stormcast / Goblins
6 for 40k: T'au, Drukhari, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Chaos, Tyranids
 
Romans:
All Horus Heresy novels are back in Hard Cover Omnibus
 
Accessories:
A box with 5 painting handles
A box with a handle under layer for under bed 50 figurines
 
MS:
Start collecting Vanguard
 
Chaos:
Start collecting Ombrelance"

Dunno what "Ombrelance " is .. he also went on to say the Tyranid box contents set is "nice". So possibly Christmas army boxes with separate books elsewhere ? Perhaps they aren't going to do campaign boxes with every book.

Maybe this box'll have the stuff from Shadowspear.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe this box'll have the stuff from Shadowspear.

Yeah, if it's from google translate it would translate Shadowspear as Ombrelance.

Ombre = Shadow
Lance = Spear

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:It's like the game itself. Those people demanding structure are in the majority, and the imaginative minority that wants a sandbox will do their own thing regardless of official lore.

It's like people forgot that their own imagination exists. or they forgot they could use it. or people are just becoming more and more reliant on what others come up with(like netlisting).

Yes because NOBODY would ever have figured out any broken lists ever with how poor GW releases rules!
Stop attacking this imaginary "netlisting" and attack the core problem itself: shoddy rules writing.

Whenever someone describes the 40k rules as "shoddy" I'm reminded of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGo8zXLg_8Y

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe this box'll have the stuff from Shadowspear.

Yeah, if it's from google translate it would translate Shadowspear as Ombrelance.

Ombre = Shadow
Lance = Spear

Ah that makes perfect sense now I see it.. I was too busy thinking "Tyranids!' to look at it too much!

T'au three christmas' in a row???

edit: nvm they skipped 2018. 2016, 2017 and now 2019.

Better start buying the Shadowspear halves you want off ebay now. Last I checked, you could get one for around $60ish. Which is a shame, seeing as how I bought the chaos side for $85-90 XD

Jacob29 wrote:
T'au three christmas' in a row???

From what I understand they are the highest selling non-marine army. makes sense to me.

If that's the lineup for this year there's a really good chance I'm safe. Nice. Only Sisters to consider, then.

Jacob29 wrote:
T'au three christmas' in a row???

Something something Greater Good something something Christmas every year something something join us*.

No generic marine box? Odd.

 Nevelon wrote:
No generic marine box? Odd.

It's likely primaris with upgrade sprues for 90% of the content

 Nevelon wrote:
No generic marine box? Odd.

I don't think there was one last year.