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DanielFM wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I might need to make my Primaris Apothecary a Chief Apothecary. That is a decent boost. Not sure which WL trait to give him though.

A Chief Apothecary supporting Centurions and/or Agressors with either of the WT and maybe even the 5++ relic could make them really resilient.
A Master of Sanctity with the 5+ ignore MW and +1 to hit/+1 to wound/5+ overwatch (for IFs) is also a great option to buff such a heavy infantry castle.
It's great to have choices here.

I figured he will ride with some Hellblasters in an Impulsor. The Relic gives him a 5++ as well, so they will be pretty resilient if they hug the Apothecary. Being able to bring two dudes back up a turn is pretty great, especially since those rolls are able to be rerolled.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
For all its flaws at least Vigilus felt like a cohesive campaign narrative to base games in. So far Psychic Awakening seems more like a bunch of Codex patches with some fluff tacked on

You're being overly generous.

Random_World is Super Important!! Go shoot some... Chaos boys, to save the Imperium. Go forth, forces of...Black Templars!

Next up is Blood Angels fighting on Less_Important_World against the evil... Tyranids!. In a battle that's totally not a redo of a novel where the fight was randomly interrupted by the chapter's Arch-Rival Greater Daemon before he killed all the 'nids, got bored and wandered off.

The 'fluff' for PA has descended into full on MadLibs.

Am I the only person who's feeling totally burned out on PA? Like they started off by pushing it REALLY hard, and so far...?

Very underwhelming. PA1 was barely interesting, PA2 comes with very little, and seems to be designed to play second banana to the SOB debacle, the Inquisition dex drops in that it doesn't and is relegated to a few pages of WD, and then a "Made to Order" re-run of all things, despite the only coherent thread through all of PA being the inquisitor character, until that was dropped for...

...More first founding loyalist chapters? Which is a pet peeve of mine, considering they have SO MUCH support anyway, and I'll be thoroughly shocked if any of the dead 'nids in that trailer get anything at all. PA is starting to feel like a half-hearted swing and then a resounding miss. I was looking forward to it, but now it really just seems like filler to justify slopping out a few unrelated characters just before Xmas.

Half-baked, and a cynical approach to fans.

 posermcbogus wrote:
Am I the only person who's feeling totally burned out on PA? Like they started off by pushing it REALLY hard, and so far...?

Very underwhelming. PA1 was barely interesting, PA2 comes with very little, and seems to be designed to play second banana to the SOB debacle, the Inquisition dex drops in that it doesn't and is relegated to a few pages of WD, and then a "Made to Order" re-run of all things, despite the only coherent thread through all of PA being the inquisitor character, until that was dropped for...

...More first founding loyalist chapters? Which is a pet peeve of mine, considering they have SO MUCH support anyway, and I'll be thoroughly shocked if any of the dead 'nids in that trailer get anything at all. PA is starting to feel like a half-hearted swing and then a resounding miss. I was looking forward to it, but now it really just seems like filler to justify slopping out a few unrelated characters just before Xmas.

Half-baked, and a cynical approach to fans.

what support have blood angels gotten this edition beyond "ohh and you can use these primaris"?

I 'spose because they spent so much time hyping it up as the next big chapter in 40K, and it turns out that it's just, as Goatboy put it, "So far Psychic Awakening seems more like a bunch of Codex patches with some fluff tacked on".

Plus the fact that it's called "Psychic Awakening", and so far the two books released don't appear to have anything to do with that theme. The next one is BA vs 'Nids 2: This Time It's Personal, so not so much as an awakening as a hitting of the Mars-Pattern snooze button.

But at least Berserkers will get 2 wounds, right?

And as we all know, an army with 2... no wait, I did that one already.

Wait, so with the chapter specific litanies, do they get to pick two from the table, get the chapter one, and the basic one every chaplain gets?

BrianDavion wrote:


what support have blood angels gotten this edition beyond "ohh and you can use these primaris"?

Oh, do forgive me for not specifically listing all the neglect you poor Blood Angel players have been subjected to, between an upgrade sprue, all the primaris kits, a chapter specific character, a unique codex and a meta-topping captain build before getting an additional shot in the arm as the big shots of the next suppliment, and an updated character, not to mention a slew of gorgeous FW models, but by all means, friend, please go off on how Blood Angels are so unloved with your massive catalogue of unique models an access to the largest pool of minis in the GW range, you guys have it so hard, you're right and I'm wrong, I'm so sorry for not being excited enough about PA3, I promise I'll watch the trailer 8 times when I get off work.

 posermcbogus wrote:
Am I the only person who's feeling totally burned out on PA? Like they started off by pushing it REALLY hard, and so far...?

Very underwhelming. PA1 was barely interesting, PA2 comes with very little, and seems to be designed to play second banana to the SOB debacle, the Inquisition dex drops in that it doesn't and is relegated to a few pages of WD, and then a "Made to Order" re-run of all things, despite the only coherent thread through all of PA being the inquisitor character, until that was dropped for...

...More first founding loyalist chapters? Which is a pet peeve of mine, considering they have SO MUCH support anyway, and I'll be thoroughly shocked if any of the dead 'nids in that trailer get anything at all. PA is starting to feel like a half-hearted swing and then a resounding miss. I was looking forward to it, but now it really just seems like filler to justify slopping out a few unrelated characters just before Xmas.

Half-baked, and a cynical approach to fans.

Yea, I thought this would be a campaign for every faction equally. That's how they initially pushed it, but it's becoming clear that the campaign serves as a backdrop to bring marines of all flavours up to Codex Astartes level while giving other NPC factions a tiny feature in an attempt to keep them satisfied.

It feels incredibly lazy, bland and uninspired at this point. Hopefully that changes but I'm not counting on it.

BrianDavion wrote:

 posermcbogus wrote:
Am I the only person who's feeling totally burned out on PA? Like they started off by pushing it REALLY hard, and so far...?

Very underwhelming. PA1 was barely interesting, PA2 comes with very little, and seems to be designed to play second banana to the SOB debacle, the Inquisition dex drops in that it doesn't and is relegated to a few pages of WD, and then a "Made to Order" re-run of all things, despite the only coherent thread through all of PA being the inquisitor character, until that was dropped for...

...More first founding loyalist chapters? Which is a pet peeve of mine, considering they have SO MUCH support anyway, and I'll be thoroughly shocked if any of the dead 'nids in that trailer get anything at all. PA is starting to feel like a half-hearted swing and then a resounding miss. I was looking forward to it, but now it really just seems like filler to justify slopping out a few unrelated characters just before Xmas.

Half-baked, and a cynical approach to fans.

what support have blood angels gotten this edition beyond "ohh and you can use these primaris"?

Well, how many new units and models do you have now compared to 7th edition? A dozen? Even more?

What support have tau and necron got this edition beyond "ohh here's a shiny new kroot tracker in the BSF box and a new plastic cryptek"?

Otoh the gw support is also iffy, cue csm, 10 rules releases and still the same issues...

Not Online!!! wrote:
Otoh the gw support is also iffy, cue csm, 10 rules releases and still the same issues...

In defense of CSM, they're at least a broader church than "red space marines".

 posermcbogus wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Otoh the gw support is also iffy, cue csm, 10 rules releases and still the same issues...

In defense of CSM, they're at least a broader church than "red space marines".

CSM dex is more like a bridge, with each Legion / subfaction beeing a pillar.

Out of 11 pillars, 3 work. the 4th (BL,) got a new paintcoat but is allready splintering off and the the rest is in varrying states of rotten, and GW provides here a dash of new paint instead of fixing the pillars.
So to speak.

And sure they are are a broader church with more really distinct archetypes, due to the hybrid nature in parts with daemons and GEQ internalized, but both these specific hybrid archetypes got also nerfed into the ground or were never really something that worked successfully.
Daemonkin and Daemonengines are just chronically overpriced, maybee WB and or IW will FINNALLY make them work as intended. (i doubt it is enough but i let myself be surprised.)
Whilest Daemonkinlists are straddled with their core unit beeing overpriced and aswell suffering from the WAY-TOO-MANY-EGGS-IN-ONE-BASKET syndrome that CSM allready were skirting around in.

Then there is also again the great stratagem design showing with butcher termites, which by all means should've been an unique unit as a whole, not one unit upgrade for an ALLREADY CP starved army.

I am so keen to see Mephiston in all his Primaris glory. It’s been too long to see a son of Sanguinius upgraded.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I am so keen to see Mephiston in all his Primaris glory. It’s been too long to see a son of Sanguinius upgraded.

I hope he has the option for SS3 hair. It would fit him.

Looking over the rules a bit more.

Wondering if anyone has the exact wording of the NL stuff because perhaps you can combine the WL trait and the Relic to give your DP a 0 save?!

e.g. when in cover +1 save WL trait and +2 save always count in cover relic

perhaps the WL trait specifically says 'terrain'

So next up BA vs NPC #34, only joking it's Nids!

BA will have 20 new strategems! 6 additional relics! 3 new Primarisified characters! Army wide special rules! Red special dice and a detailed history of the chapter it's heroes and their conquests. Plus 4 new Lieutenants!

Nid players; don't worry, you'll get a new rule too! Like at the beginning of every turn if you roll a 6, your shadows in the warp range is increased by 1". IN EVERY DIRECTION! Also, read up on how you were crushed by the Ultramarines, the Blood Angels, Random Marine chapter #67 and many more absolute spankings to boot!

Ork, Tau and 'Crons players will have to wait for their breadcrumbs later in the year!

it would be hyperbole, but considering the comparative content of PA2 and PA1 and what which side got, and it isn't even that far off anymore.

Wait, is there an imbalance between what Marines are getting Vs Xenos?! This is uncharted territory! We need to explore it further and discuss it at length so the entire community can be aware!

 Sentineil wrote:
Wait, is there an imbalance between what Marines are getting Vs Xenos?! This is uncharted territory! We need to explore it further and discuss it at length so the entire community can be aware!

Maybe if it did not keep happening all the time it would not news and so irritating....especially when some people are so keen to point how hard done by exlcusive marine players are, have and will be.

 bullyboy wrote:
The book has to have a ton of rules for Blood Angels (unless they are planning on doing a relaunch of the codex) as they will have to catch up to the other standard marine codexes. This means Doctrines, a Super Doctrine, Litanies, new super characters (as marines just received). So before people start screaming "more marines, wut?!" just realize where BA are currently, what they will need to be on par with other marines, and maintain expectations accordingly.

What is interesting is this will lead off for other marine chapters. If it's a full update, then Wolves (next) DA, DW and GK can expect the same when their books drop.

I think next year we will see SW vs Orks (known), DA vs Fallen, DW vs Tau, GK vs Daemons (not sure on order of latter 3). Just my expectations. I also think DA vs Fallen will also bring in the Gravis armour wave for marines (tie in with Deathwing since it was revealed in WD that they are using Gravis in DW now)

No, this isn't interesting in the slightest, as a Nids player it's very worrying. I don't particularly want GW to go 3 for 3 on screwing up on the armies I play, it's even more worrying for Nids than it is with Craftworlds and Drukhari as they've fallen much further down the power curve over the last year and half.

 posermcbogus wrote:
Am I the only person who's feeling totally burned out on PA? Like they started off by pushing it REALLY hard, and so far...?

Very underwhelming. PA1 was barely interesting, PA2 comes with very little, and seems to be designed to play second banana to the SOB debacle, the Inquisition dex drops in that it doesn't and is relegated to a few pages of WD, and then a "Made to Order" re-run of all things, despite the only coherent thread through all of PA being the inquisitor character, until that was dropped for...

...More first founding loyalist chapters? Which is a pet peeve of mine, considering they have SO MUCH support anyway, and I'll be thoroughly shocked if any of the dead 'nids in that trailer get anything at all. PA is starting to feel like a half-hearted swing and then a resounding miss. I was looking forward to it, but now it really just seems like filler to justify slopping out a few unrelated characters just before Xmas.

Half-baked, and a cynical approach to fans.

Most of your points are perfectly valid, but i sure as gak don't agree with your assessment of the new Inquisition rules, it's going to change the meta (won't break SM armies ala Assassins).
Rex alone is worth fielding, 3++, 2 casts/3 denies, now give him a few acolytes and toss them all in a Drop Pod


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 Imateria wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
The book has to have a ton of rules for Blood Angels (unless they are planning on doing a relaunch of the codex) as they will have to catch up to the other standard marine codexes. This means Doctrines, a Super Doctrine, Litanies, new super characters (as marines just received). So before people start screaming "more marines, wut?!" just realize where BA are currently, what they will need to be on par with other marines, and maintain expectations accordingly.

What is interesting is this will lead off for other marine chapters. If it's a full update, then Wolves (next) DA, DW and GK can expect the same when their books drop.

I think next year we will see SW vs Orks (known), DA vs Fallen, DW vs Tau, GK vs Daemons (not sure on order of latter 3). Just my expectations. I also think DA vs Fallen will also bring in the Gravis armour wave for marines (tie in with Deathwing since it was revealed in WD that they are using Gravis in DW now)

No, this isn't interesting in the slightest, as a Nids player it's very worrying. I don't particularly want GW to go 3 for 3 on screwing up on the armies I play, it's even more worrying for Nids than it is with Craftworlds and Drukhari as they've fallen much further down the power curve over the last year and half.

From the leaks it looks like we're getting a new Hive Tyrant, we could see the same basic rules in place for upgrading him to the bug equivalent of a Chapter Master. It can't be any worse than the Custodies "preview", one gakky character model, thats going to bring the army back /s

I'm just saying people should adjust their expectations accordingly. Would be nice if nids got more, but just expect BA to be given a boost. Numarines skewed everything, so now non codex compliant marines have to be broight in line. Thinking otherwise would be foolish. If you were a pure BA player, you just can't compete with numarines at all.
I can't comment on what nids need as I'm not familiar, but hope something gets addressed.

MiguelFelstone wrote:

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From the leaks it looks like we're getting a new Hive Tyrant, we could see the same basic rules in place for upgrading him to the bug equivalent of a Chapter Master. It can't be any worse than the Custodies "preview", one gakky character model, thats going to bring the army back /s

We are not getting a new Hive Tyrant, we are getting a repackaged box and likely a price hike as a freebie.

Kitane wrote:

MiguelFelstone wrote:

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From the leaks it looks like we're getting a new Hive Tyrant, we could see the same basic rules in place for upgrading him to the bug equivalent of a Chapter Master. It can't be any worse than the Custodies "preview", one gakky character model, thats going to bring the army back /s

We are not getting a new Hive Tyrant, we are getting a repackaged box and likely a price hike as a freebie.

Why do people post crap like this when we literally have the price?

You know enough to say "we are getting a repackaged box" but not enough to know that the price is the same?

There's a whole thread on the second page that was devoted tot hese leaks when they happened.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Why do people post crap like this when we literally have the price?

Bitter Xeno players, do you blame them? Can't repackage the Hive Tyrant without first releasing 15 new SM models and 6 new codices.

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Why do people post crap like this when we literally have the price?

Bitter Xeno players, do you blame them?

Yes, yes I do. Do better.

How old is the current hive tyrant? Is it really in that much need of a remake? It looks fine to me, ditto with termagants.
I mean, its not bad, and overall I think the nid range is just fine, but aren't there still finecast models that should be brought to plastic?

Oh nooo, a Blood Angels character is getting updated for the first time in like 20 years! It’s so unfair to the Xenos players!


Did you guys really want a new Red Terror or Lictor model that badly or something? They’re the only Nid characters that haven’t been updated, and Red Terror has absolutely no history with the Blood Angels.