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As a BA player in holiday season I could perhaps have asked for a BA codex/supplement as a gift but I dont want a PA book shared with tyranids so they are losing one sale here at least.

Its basically a BA codex/supplement yet not for some weird reason. It even has more datasheets and rules than the marine supplements and yet not a separate book for them. Instead of prolonging the supplement release cycle they just padded the PA cycle with a supplement + wd article.

Probably hoping to get those who want the whole PA set, those who would want a BA supplement and those desperate Tyranids players to all buy it for 3x the sales of just a BA supplement. Think they are shooting themselves in the foot though since none of the other BA players I have talked to have been interested in this book but would have been more interested in a pure BA book.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
After watching the GMG review of Blood of Baal its practically a second blood angels supplement with a few pages of Tyranid stuff at the back. If you are only interested in the tyranid stuff...its quite expensive for what could have been a WD article.

Mephiston does look rather swanky, but a new plastic Lictor/deathleaper or even The Red Terror would have been an ideal release for this episode of Psychic Awakening.

This.

It's an absolute disgrace, really.

Pages dedicated to Blood Angels - 40.

Pages dedicated to Tyranids - 9.

GW are flipping the finger to Xenos players, at this point.

Did someone honestly expect that nids would get even a 3rd of content then SM?

Klickor wrote:
As a BA player in holiday season I could perhaps have asked for a BA codex/supplement as a gift but I dont want a PA book shared with tyranids so they are losing one sale here at least.

Its basically a BA codex/supplement yet not for some weird reason. It even has more datasheets and rules than the marine supplements and yet not a separate book for them. Instead of prolonging the supplement release cycle they just padded the PA cycle with a supplement + wd article.

Probably hoping to get those who want the whole PA set, those who would want a BA supplement and those desperate Tyranids players to all buy it for 3x the sales of just a BA supplement. Think they are shooting themselves in the foot though since none of the other BA players I have talked to have been interested in this book but would have been more interested in a pure BA book.

Its definitely a Blood Angel book more than one for Nid players. The last few pages are basically "cough - Tyranids - cough" and the rest are all yours.

Treat yourself!

Most of the BA pages are phobos datasheets already released on the pdf patch ...copy paste...

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
After watching the GMG review of Blood of Baal its practically a second blood angels supplement with a few pages of Tyranid stuff at the back. If you are only interested in the tyranid stuff...its quite expensive for what could have been a WD article.

Mephiston does look rather swanky, but a new plastic Lictor/deathleaper or even The Red Terror would have been an ideal release for this episode of Psychic Awakening.

This.

It's an absolute disgrace, really.

Pages dedicated to Blood Angels - 40.

Pages dedicated to Tyranids - 9.

GW are flipping the finger to Xenos players, at this point.

They've been doing that since the literal start.

I dunno I think its a little easier to stomach supplements being rebranded as PA books than the alternative which would be just more marine supplements with the usual GW stamp of Imperial purity.

assuming 1 page of a data slate and 1 page of fluff for each phobos unit that's 20 pages. I can't see how english gentleman's page count of 40 works unless flesh tearers are getting a full supplement treatment in this book, with both blood angels and flesh tearers a page of relics, warlord traits etc each

even then with the most inflated guessing I can guess 40 pages seems like a exaggeration, (the most I could get it up to is 35)

can to ellaborate on this english gentleman? is it 40 or "nearly 40"?

as for tyranids, I can see 7 pages if they give each hive fleet one physic power only.

BrianDavion wrote:
assuming 1 page of a data slate and 1 page of fluff for each phobos unit that's 20 pages. I can't see how english gentleman's page count of 40 works unless flesh tearers are getting a full supplement treatment in this book, with both blood angels and flesh tearers a page of relics, warlord traits etc each

even then with the most inflated guessing I can guess 40 pages seems like a exaggeration, (the most I could get it up to is 35)

can to ellaborate on this english gentleman? is it 40 or "nearly 40"?

as for tyranids, I can see 7 pages if they give each hive fleet one physic power only.

It's exactly 40.

Nids are exactly 9.

Both include name generators (for Nids?! Lol).

If you'd like more details I'd suggest watching a review of the book, as I did.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
assuming 1 page of a data slate and 1 page of fluff for each phobos unit that's 20 pages. I can't see how english gentleman's page count of 40 works unless flesh tearers are getting a full supplement treatment in this book, with both blood angels and flesh tearers a page of relics, warlord traits etc each

even then with the most inflated guessing I can guess 40 pages seems like a exaggeration, (the most I could get it up to is 35)

can to ellaborate on this english gentleman? is it 40 or "nearly 40"?

as for tyranids, I can see 7 pages if they give each hive fleet one physic power only.

It's exactly 40.

Nids are exactly 9.

Both include name generators (for Nids?! Lol).

If you'd like more details I'd suggest watching a review of the book, as I did.

I can't stand video reviews, some guy slowly flipping the pages the camera often poorly in focus often babbling about gak I don't care about. I'd much rather read a written review, sadly those seem to be view and far in between as it's easier to just turn the camera on and run stream of thought for 20 minutes

Well yeah, but that would require a reviewer who can write.

 Crimson wrote:
Well yeah, but that would require a reviewer who can write.

It is something of a lost art isn't it?

As an ork player, I empathise a lot with the fellow nids. Blood of Baal is basically named after the BA. The PA book for orks, "Saga of the beast" already prefaces the outcome of "our" book. A tale told by the space puppies where they hunt ...orks.

BrianDavion wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
assuming 1 page of a data slate and 1 page of fluff for each phobos unit that's 20 pages. I can't see how english gentleman's page count of 40 works unless flesh tearers are getting a full supplement treatment in this book, with both blood angels and flesh tearers a page of relics, warlord traits etc each

even then with the most inflated guessing I can guess 40 pages seems like a exaggeration, (the most I could get it up to is 35)

can to ellaborate on this english gentleman? is it 40 or "nearly 40"?

as for tyranids, I can see 7 pages if they give each hive fleet one physic power only.

It's exactly 40.

Nids are exactly 9.

Both include name generators (for Nids?! Lol).

If you'd like more details I'd suggest watching a review of the book, as I did.

I can't stand video reviews, some guy slowly flipping the pages the camera often poorly in focus often babbling about gak I don't care about. I'd much rather read a written review, sadly those seem to be view and far in between as it's easier to just turn the camera on and run stream of thought for 20 minutes

There's a site called Goonhammer that does lots of written reviews on this stuff. Idk if they're "Good" because I'm not a gamer. They do write a fair amount though.

JWBS wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
assuming 1 page of a data slate and 1 page of fluff for each phobos unit that's 20 pages. I can't see how english gentleman's page count of 40 works unless flesh tearers are getting a full supplement treatment in this book, with both blood angels and flesh tearers a page of relics, warlord traits etc each

even then with the most inflated guessing I can guess 40 pages seems like a exaggeration, (the most I could get it up to is 35)

can to ellaborate on this english gentleman? is it 40 or "nearly 40"?

as for tyranids, I can see 7 pages if they give each hive fleet one physic power only.

It's exactly 40.

Nids are exactly 9.

Both include name generators (for Nids?! Lol).

If you'd like more details I'd suggest watching a review of the book, as I did.

I can't stand video reviews, some guy slowly flipping the pages the camera often poorly in focus often babbling about gak I don't care about. I'd much rather read a written review, sadly those seem to be view and far in between as it's easier to just turn the camera on and run stream of thought for 20 minutes

There's a site called Goonhammer that does lots of written reviews on this stuff. Idk if they're "Good" because I'm not a gamer. They do write a fair amount though.

perfect, and they've just got a 'nids article up https://www.goonhammer.com/blood-of-baal-the-goonhammer-review-part-2-tyranids/

some of the adaptions aren't too shabby and the review notes nothing stops you from putting it on a HQ instead of a WL trait eaither.


Dermic symbosis could be a pretty popular chocie. hmm do hive tyrants have invul saves?

Tyrants have a 4++, yes

 gigasnail wrote:
Tyrants have a 4++, yes

thought they must have. so yeah not so hot for them.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
After watching the GMG review of Blood of Baal its practically a second blood angels supplement with a few pages of Tyranid stuff at the back. If you are only interested in the tyranid stuff...its quite expensive for what could have been a WD article.

Mephiston does look rather swanky, but a new plastic Lictor/deathleaper or even The Red Terror would have been an ideal release for this episode of Psychic Awakening.

This.

It's an absolute disgrace, really.

Pages dedicated to Blood Angels - 40.

Pages dedicated to Tyranids - 9.

GW are flipping the finger to Xenos players, at this point.

Like 30 of those BA pages are updated datasheets and reprints of stuff from the last set of FAQs, it's not new rules for them.

As a Tyranid player I'm quite happy with what's in this book, there's a lot of new toys to try out.

Well, I am a little annoyed that I have to pay more money for my Blood Angels supplement than other Chapter players had to, but hey, free Tyranids expansion included! Most of the BA rules look pretty good. Definite very different than my Crimson Fists.

All this talk about quantity is missing the point IMHO. Give me quality anyday. Blood of the Phoenix was a good book for me because the Chapter Traits actually gave my army a significant boost, it's made me think about and change my army a little, and to consider some Aspects. That's a solid win.

 bullyboy wrote:
All this talk about quantity is missing the point IMHO. Give me quality anyday. Blood of the Phoenix was a good book for me because the Chapter Traits actually gave my army a significant boost, it's made me think about and change my army a little, and to consider some Aspects. That's a solid win.

It means that people saying “Blood Angels got forty thousand pages and tyranids only got a paragraph” and real stuff I’m not graciously paraphrasing should cease their shoddy line of argument and move on to discussing quality.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
"Each book will be accompanied by an epic champion". Except if you're Chaos or Black Templars, because you're only getting a generic Chaos Sorcerer.

Generic character > special character.
I wish Junith Eruita was just a generic character!

 bullyboy wrote:
dude, if any faction of Space Marines needs a new character model

No they don't. Next!

Just a thought with Dark Angels, GK and TS being the main duders in the next book. The last time they were all involved with one another, Luther was freed and that plot line was kinda dropped.

With that in mind is it possible we might see a Dark Angels schism with Luther, possibly the Lion resurfacing and being their new character?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I wish Junith Eruita was just a generic character!

Me too :( Or at least not be order locked.

tneva82 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I wish Junith Eruita was just a generic character!

Me too :( Or at least not be order locked.

I wish they had made her a Ministorium Preacher. That way, they could be over the top, a named character, and have no reason not to be included in every Order. Like a gawdy Uriah Jacobus

Dudeface wrote:
Just a thought with Dark Angels, GK and TS being the main duders in the next book. The last time they were all involved with one another, Luther was freed and that plot line was kinda dropped.

With that in mind is it possible we might see a Dark Angels schism with Luther, possibly the Lion resurfacing and being their new character?

Plus a big part of that was the Changeling, a Tzeentch demon, which could help tie the factions together (narratively speaking)

GaroRobe wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I wish Junith Eruita was just a generic character!

Me too :( Or at least not be order locked.

I wish they had made her a Ministorium Preacher. That way, they could be over the top, a named character, and have no reason not to be included in every Order. Like a gawdy Uriah Jacobus

But that's precisely the point, I don't want named characters, generic characters are better narratively speaking that even non-Order locked special characters.

I know the Fallen got "rules" in Vigilus Ablaze that helped you take an actual army of them with rhinos and sorcs and all, but there wasn't a lot there and you were still limited to a specialist detachment that, depending on your loadout, functionally you'd only get to about 1250 points if you were trying to build a Fallen army. Not to mention that the whole "Fallen are both Imperial and Chaos" thing has been nerfed or explicitly excluded more and more with every subsequent release.

Hopefully they'll get new rules in psychic awakening that'll make building a Fallen army more possible. Having a Luther model would definitely be cool, although I'd prefer to have more army-wide rules over getting a single new model.

BrianDavion wrote:

perfect, and they've just got a 'nids article up https://www.goonhammer.com/blood-of-baal-the-goonhammer-review-part-2-tyranids/

some of the adaptions aren't too shabby and the review notes nothing stops you from putting it on a HQ instead of a WL trait eaither.


Dermic symbosis could be a pretty popular chocie. hmm do hive tyrants have invul saves?

It's... An odd thing. Still not a fan of updating books this way, but these are... Odd. Some of its fine, a few might be good. But I really don't like the strats. They read like 'pay a CP to make <unit> function as actually intended... For a turn'. Some of these should just be turned into updates.

Klickor wrote:
As a BA player in holiday season I could perhaps have asked for a BA codex/supplement as a gift but I dont want a PA book shared with tyranids so they are losing one sale here at least.

Its basically a BA codex/supplement yet not for some weird reason. It even has more datasheets and rules than the marine supplements and yet not a separate book for them. Instead of prolonging the supplement release cycle they just padded the PA cycle with a supplement + wd article.

Probably hoping to get those who want the whole PA set, those who would want a BA supplement and those desperate Tyranids players to all buy it for 3x the sales of just a BA supplement. Think they are shooting themselves in the foot though since none of the other BA players I have talked to have been interested in this book but would have been more interested in a pure BA book.

Reading the rest of the topic, it's 9 pages for Nids. If this were a pure BA supplement that'd easily be the same general fluff that's been copy/pasta'd across a)every Marine book in the past b)every mention of Blood Angels for the past 4?5?6? Editions and c)is probably verbatim on numerous wiki entries and lore channels on youtube*.

I'd say Nid players should be more upset with their inclusion in the book than us BA ones.

*not 100% on the youtube vids, they'll intentionally mispronounce stuff to avoid copyright. That's definitely the only reason.

Voss wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

perfect, and they've just got a 'nids article up https://www.goonhammer.com/blood-of-baal-the-goonhammer-review-part-2-tyranids/

some of the adaptions aren't too shabby and the review notes nothing stops you from putting it on a HQ instead of a WL trait eaither.


Dermic symbosis could be a pretty popular chocie. hmm do hive tyrants have invul saves?

It's... An odd thing. Still not a fan of updating books this way, but these are... Odd. Some of its fine, a few might be good. But I really don't like the strats. They read like 'pay a CP to make <unit> function as actually intended... For a turn'. Some of these should just be turned into updates.

That sorta happened with the Space Marines v2 codex. They cleared up some of the pointless conditional rules like the Vindicator changing number of shots based on target unit size and just gave it more shots.

I'm hopeful that after 9E we'll see a Tyranids v2 codex with some of these rules (like the Toxicrene strat) absorbed into base unit rules and the bad old strats thrown away.