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 Asmodai wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Galas wrote:
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Interesting. You do have to take a Brother-Captain if you want to use a squad of purifiers in this way, though.

MORE THAN 3"

Purifiers have a 3" smite.

Same as the whole "9" range weapon can't hit something after deep strike."

I don't think it works anyway. The Dynamic Insertion strategem only works on a unit that has been set-up using the Teleport Strike ability.

A unit of Purifiers set-up using the Teleportarium strategem isn't being set up using the Teleport Strike ability and isn't a valid target for Dynamic Insertion.

This is true.

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Soooooooo new strat where GK can land 3" from an enemy unit but can't charge.

Sounds mean with units that have flamers and/or Smite-adjacent powers.

Purifiers just got a lot more interesting. They get to double up on psi heavy weapons and the D6+1 Smite looks guuud.

Their super smite is within 3", so they wouldn't be able to use it when they teleport in.

so i guess the question would be what unit is a good target for this strat.
I'm not sitting a squad of paladins with 4 flamers next to my enemy gunline without an option to tag their tanks - that´s just asking for them to be obliterated (ill take my chances with a FTTF reroll charge of 9")
Might be situationaly useful for them if they get a nice spot in cover somewhere in the enemy deployment zone though i guess.

For a squad of 10 strikes (for 2 flamers) id rather just take 10 stormbolters and psibolt with them for the cp

It could be used to assassinate characters hiding behind the lines

Emulgator wrote:
so i guess the question would be what unit is a good target for this strat.

It doesn't necessarily have to be about which weapons work best at <9", it could be what targets it allows them to hit.

All factions can easily screen against 9" deep strikes but covering every possible 3" gap is harder, especially in low model count armies. Enemy characters & artillery will be very vulnerable to poor placement with this strat.

it will also allow for better aim with vortex of doom which might be "boostable" enough to make it viable

It can also take choice away from the opponent. A unit shows up and says "you have to kill me" means you have dictated at least some part of the opponent's action next turn. That can be a very useful tool in the right context.

True. I guess it's just not a huge confidence booster for me that the most obvious 2 units to make this stratagem work wonders are not usable with it.

I can see it as an occasional use stratagem, generally with like a small strike squad dropping in and murking a character with psybolts, but it's not something you'd build into your list.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing?

Still need to see the biggest thing GK need for success: Some charge roll boosting abiliites. for a deep strike oriented army that has to leverage melee to compete, a single warlord trait that boosts their odds up to 45% doesn't cut it.

 aphyon wrote:

Honestly I think 9th's right around the corner. Might even be announced at Adepticon. SO we might be seeing newer better codexes sooner than you think.

So has GW finally thrown in the towel? I thought 8th was supposed to be the final edition/incarnation of 40K and "we are just going to keep tweaking 8th every year and not make any new editions"

or is 9th supposed to be 0.8.25 like some video game update?

I wouldn't call it throwing in the towel. Any system is going to need updates.

Word round the cooler is that it'll be similar to AoS' update where the core of the game remains the same, just implementing tweaks and improvements.

I suspect the "9th edition" moniker is just an easier way than saying 8.25, because that's probably what it'll be.

30 Interceptors, combat squads, 12 MW per turn for ~600 points.

 cole1114 wrote:

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Soooooooo new strat where GK can land 3" from an enemy unit but can't charge.

Sounds mean with units that have flamers and/or Smite-adjacent powers.

Purifiers just got a lot more interesting. They get to double up on psi heavy weapons and the D6+1 Smite looks guuud.

Their super smite is within 3", so they wouldn't be able to use it when they teleport in.

Yes, but you can double the range to 6”.

Also, as with the 2 CP GSC version, it’s useful for plain stealing objectives if you port in some ObSec. For a single CP, why not.

A few observations:

The WC story says that Shadowsun is stuck on the other side of the startide nexus and the death guard fleet was heading for it. That means that either (1) the book is set before the story and is about her efforts to stop the DG, presumably wiping them out somehow between recording the message and the drone arriving (2) she will abandon her mission to come back through the nexus in order to save the tau (which would seem odd given that the story has her make a strong commitment to not doing that), (3) the book will be about her fighting someone other than the DG, (4) the book will be split between the action at either end of the STN or (5) the book will not focus on her at all (which would seem weird given that she is getting a miniature and new rules). I think that (1) seems most likely from what little we have seen.

The story says that shadowsun has fought death guard, orks (be'gel) and tyranids (y'he) on the other side of the STN. The assumption that GSC would be featured seems to come from seeing some genestealers on the shadowsun preview photos. But it seems possible that those were just some random genestealers on a tyranid-infested world in that part of the story rather than them being one of the main opponents.

Lazarus / generic primaris master seems to have worse proportions than other primaris. Not sure if it's the pose, the robes or actually the sculpt, but he seems to have the gorilla arms and stumpy legs of an old marine.

Lazarus / generic primaris master seems to have worse proportions than other primaris. Not sure if it's the pose, the robes or actually the sculpt, but he seems to have the gorilla arms and stumpy legs of an old marine.

I noticed that too, I'm hoping it's just the angle.

Really enjoyed that story - best one so far I think. Those Tau better not watch that recording too much it seems......

 Perfect Organism wrote:
A few observations:

The WC story says that Shadowsun is stuck on the other side of the startide nexus and the death guard fleet was heading for it. That means that either (1) the book is set before the story and is about her efforts to stop the DG, presumably wiping them out somehow between recording the message and the drone arriving (2) she will abandon her mission to come back through the nexus in order to save the tau (which would seem odd given that the story has her make a strong commitment to not doing that), (3) the book will be about her fighting someone other than the DG, (4) the book will be split between the action at either end of the STN or (5) the book will not focus on her at all (which would seem weird given that she is getting a miniature and new rules). I think that (1) seems most likely from what little we have seen.

The story says that shadowsun has fought death guard, orks (be'gel) and tyranids (y'he) on the other side of the STN. The assumption that GSC would be featured seems to come from seeing some genestealers on the shadowsun preview photos. But it seems possible that those were just some random genestealers on a tyranid-infested world in that part of the story rather than them being one of the main opponents.

Lazarus / generic primaris master seems to have worse proportions than other primaris. Not sure if it's the pose, the robes or actually the sculpt, but he seems to have the gorilla arms and stumpy legs of an old marine.

The short story end with the Tau asking themselves why is it that the DG fleet didn't get through the nexus yet. Imo there is a good chance that a third party got involved and prevented the advance of the DG, and that thanks to that third party Shadowsun is still in the fight.

WhiteDog wrote:
Imo there is a good chance that a third party got involved and prevented the advance of the DG, and that thanks to that third party Shadowsun is still in the fight.

The AdMech saved them with a flock of chicken flyers!

WhiteDog wrote:

 Perfect Organism wrote:
A few observations:

The WC story says that Shadowsun is stuck on the other side of the startide nexus and the death guard fleet was heading for it. That means that either (1) the book is set before the story and is about her efforts to stop the DG, presumably wiping them out somehow between recording the message and the drone arriving (2) she will abandon her mission to come back through the nexus in order to save the tau (which would seem odd given that the story has her make a strong commitment to not doing that), (3) the book will be about her fighting someone other than the DG, (4) the book will be split between the action at either end of the STN or (5) the book will not focus on her at all (which would seem weird given that she is getting a miniature and new rules). I think that (1) seems most likely from what little we have seen.

The story says that shadowsun has fought death guard, orks (be'gel) and tyranids (y'he) on the other side of the STN. The assumption that GSC would be featured seems to come from seeing some genestealers on the shadowsun preview photos. But it seems possible that those were just some random genestealers on a tyranid-infested world in that part of the story rather than them being one of the main opponents.

Lazarus / generic primaris master seems to have worse proportions than other primaris. Not sure if it's the pose, the robes or actually the sculpt, but he seems to have the gorilla arms and stumpy legs of an old marine.

The short story end with the Tau asking themselves why is it that the DG fleet didn't get through the nexus yet. Imo there is a good chance that a third party got involved and prevented the advance of the DG, and that thanks to that third party Shadowsun is still in the fight.

They are also worried that they did go through and they did not see them or there is a temporal issue....basically they are worried.....

This is the first story that has interested me and tempting me to get a book - hopefully we will get more lore pages than the same old reprinted Marine datalsates

I mean this in the best possible way, but the Tau make great victims

The 40k universe is a really weird and dark place. Exposing the Tau to its horrors has a way of making it feel fresh to me, especially if its told from there point of view.

 aphyon wrote:

Honestly I think 9th's right around the corner. Might even be announced at Adepticon. SO we might be seeing newer better codexes sooner than you think.

So has GW finally thrown in the towel? I thought 8th was supposed to be the final edition/incarnation of 40K and "we are just going to keep tweaking 8th every year and not make any new editions"

or is 9th supposed to be 0.8.25 like some video game update?

Gw always says this is ultimate edition and no more every edition.

Who believes them? Let me sell genuine genie then

New editions and codexes are print money easily buttons. Gw aint abandoning it

 Jidmah wrote:
I really liked that story. It does a really good job at showing what a terror Death Guard are without making the T'au seem incompetent, a rare thing in WH40k lore.

Same, the story was really quite excellent.

I think this might be the most engaging PA story yet. I'm actually excited to see what happens between these factions, there are so many cool parallels GW can draw upon if they want.

They're all insidious.
They're all brainwashed.
They all believe they are doing the "right" thing.
They're all about "spreading" something.
They all make use of humans in some grim way.

Yea I'm starting to buy into this PA. Hopefully the stakes will be a bit higher. We know Shadowsun won't die because she get's a new model, but one side of the Startide Nexus might get pretty funky. The GSC could all die to a man. No major DG players will croak but I bet GW add a named daemon or daemon prince that is summarily executed.

Oh man those fethed up T'au veterans seem cool AF too. The 4th expansion guys, who have seen things. Maybe there'll be a rule to make a unit "4th Expansion Survivors" and they get bonuses against Psykers or something?

I have never been keen on any of these factions but GW are drawing me in, it's a shame they've not done this with any of the other PA books!

Oh man those fethed up T'au veterans seem cool AF too. The 4th expansion guys, who have seen things. Maybe there'll be a rule to make a unit "4th Expansion Survivors" and they get bonuses against Psykers or something?

I wondered if they were GSC

I like that it showed that Tau have relatively little experience of the galaxy and chaos still. Their great traumatic experience in the 4th sphere was just a demonic incursion, they think fleets can't just vanish when in 40k they very much can and they're just running into Nurgle.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
A few observations:

The WC story says that Shadowsun is stuck on the other side of the startide nexus and the death guard fleet was heading for it. That means that either (1) the book is set before the story and is about her efforts to stop the DG, presumably wiping them out somehow between recording the message and the drone arriving (2) she will abandon her mission to come back through the nexus in order to save the tau (which would seem odd given that the story has her make a strong commitment to not doing that), (3) the book will be about her fighting someone other than the DG, (4) the book will be split between the action at either end of the STN or (5) the book will not focus on her at all (which would seem weird given that she is getting a miniature and new rules). I think that (1) seems most likely from what little we have seen.

The story says that shadowsun has fought death guard, orks (be'gel) and tyranids (y'he) on the other side of the STN. The assumption that GSC would be featured seems to come from seeing some genestealers on the shadowsun preview photos. But it seems possible that those were just some random genestealers on a tyranid-infested world in that part of the story rather than them being one of the main opponents.

It would be cool if they did (4). Shadowsun stalls DG as best she can before continuing her "expansion". During her travels she fights Nids and all of a sudden her Gue'la look a bit purple and bald and keep talking about a multi-armed emperor then bam! GSC up the wazoo! At the same time blueberries sweat profusely as a rotten, tentacular fleet arrives on the other side of the Startide Nexus and starts shooting viscous liquid all over their gak. Shadowsun deals with the purple Gue'la on her end (or has she?!) then heads back to sort the Startide Nexus because she received a message drone from a blueberry covered in gunk and melting. On arrival back to the other side of the Startide Nexus more purple, bald Gue'la appear with bigger, bitier friends, DG turn around (slowly) and get involved. It's a mad shoot out and everyone ends up covered in gunk. DG leave as they've run out of gunk and Mortarion sends them a message telling them their gunk is needed elsewhere, the bald Gue'la are eradicated (or are they?!!?) and Shadowsun get's a new "suit" (model) for her troubles before going back to her expansion business.

Sorry for spoilers.

pm713 wrote:
they're just running into Nurgle.

They aren't, haven't you read the fiction? They are running into Nurg’hel! Entirely new character, very exciting, can't wait to hear more about them!

 Mr Morden wrote:

Oh man those fethed up T'au veterans seem cool AF too. The 4th expansion guys, who have seen things. Maybe there'll be a rule to make a unit "4th Expansion Survivors" and they get bonuses against Psykers or something?

I wondered if they were GSC

Even better.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Oh man those fethed up T'au veterans seem cool AF too. The 4th expansion guys, who have seen things. Maybe there'll be a rule to make a unit "4th Expansion Survivors" and they get bonuses against Psykers or something?

I wondered if they were GSC

Just extreme Warp PTSD. Theres some lore from a few months back about them massacring the Kroot. Poor bird bois

GaroRobe wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Oh man those fethed up T'au veterans seem cool AF too. The 4th expansion guys, who have seen things. Maybe there'll be a rule to make a unit "4th Expansion Survivors" and they get bonuses against Psykers or something?

I wondered if they were GSC

Just extreme Warp PTSD. Theres some lore from a few months back about them massacring the Kroot. Poor bird bois

I'm guessing it's because they encountered a Genestealer Cult among the auxiliaries.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I mean this in the best possible way, but the Tau make great victims

The 40k universe is a really weird and dark place. Exposing the Tau to its horrors has a way of making it feel fresh to me, especially if its told from there point of view.

Totally agreed!

the_scotsman wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Oh man those fethed up T'au veterans seem cool AF too. The 4th expansion guys, who have seen things. Maybe there'll be a rule to make a unit "4th Expansion Survivors" and they get bonuses against Psykers or something?

I wondered if they were GSC

Just extreme Warp PTSD. Theres some lore from a few months back about them massacring the Kroot. Poor bird bois

I'm guessing it's because they encountered a Genestealer Cult among the auxiliaries.

Oh lord, give me GSC Kroot.

Its worth mentioning that the Tau now created a minor warp entity of the Greater Good. The 4th Sphere Tau realized that even though its not a religious, the auxiliaries were pretty much worshipping the Great Good, which led to some weird Greater Good daemon with multiple arms that led them out of the warp. So they hate any psychic sensitive race, since they're pretty much responsible

tneva82 wrote:

 aphyon wrote:

Honestly I think 9th's right around the corner. Might even be announced at Adepticon. SO we might be seeing newer better codexes sooner than you think.

So has GW finally thrown in the towel? I thought 8th was supposed to be the final edition/incarnation of 40K and "we are just going to keep tweaking 8th every year and not make any new editions"

or is 9th supposed to be 0.8.25 like some video game update?

Gw always says this is ultimate edition and no more every edition.

Who believes them? Let me sell genuine genie then

New editions and codexes are print money easily buttons. Gw aint abandoning it

When did GW ever say an edition was the last edition? I don't remember them saying that at any point but I could have just missed it.

At any rate, FWIW the edition update for AoS did improve the rules rather well and it was only when they got into releasing game-breaking battletomes that we ended up in a worse spot than before. A well-established trend most of us recognize, I'd say.