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First time I took the time to read one of those stories and it was rather good!

Not all that keen on the Deathguard(eeewwwwww!), but all the same I hope those players also get a new model to enjoy.

I shall at least be using Shadowsun as a dual-fusion crisis suit for Kill Team. Nice model.

the_scotsman wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Oh man those fethed up T'au veterans seem cool AF too. The 4th expansion guys, who have seen things. Maybe there'll be a rule to make a unit "4th Expansion Survivors" and they get bonuses against Psykers or something?

I wondered if they were GSC

Just extreme Warp PTSD. Theres some lore from a few months back about them massacring the Kroot. Poor bird bois

I'm guessing it's because they encountered a Genestealer Cult among the auxiliaries.

Sounded more like chaos cultists corrupted the auxiliaries. Or just such horrors among the human servants of the DG that things got out of hand.

All we're really told is the 4th Sphere troops refused to talk about it.

Voss wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Oh man those fethed up T'au veterans seem cool AF too. The 4th expansion guys, who have seen things. Maybe there'll be a rule to make a unit "4th Expansion Survivors" and they get bonuses against Psykers or something?

I wondered if they were GSC

Just extreme Warp PTSD. Theres some lore from a few months back about them massacring the Kroot. Poor bird bois

I'm guessing it's because they encountered a Genestealer Cult among the auxiliaries.

Sounded more like chaos cultists corrupted the auxiliaries. Or just such horrors among the human servants of the DG that things got out of hand.

All we're really told is the 4th Sphere troops refused to talk about it.

we actually get some more info in the Novel "War of Secrets"

but yeah the GK preview makes it pretty clear GKs are gonna come out pretty well, we can confirm from this "a doctrine equivilant" "new psykic powers" "
new relics" and new litanies.

intreastingly eneugh they've not previewed a new WARLORD trait. hopefullyl GKs get one of that too, their previous WL traits kinda sucked.

True.

Though just giving Grey Knight Chaplains access to the +2" charge / 6" consolidate aura litany would instantly elevate the re-roll charges WL-trait (which was the one people were taking anyhow) quite a bit.

What I liked about the short story is that the DG bolters "sounded wet" - so maybe the bolters with plague weapon rule are areally coming as some people in the DG tactics thread are wishing.
I also liked how they portrayed Chaos here, it's pretty rare that chaos appears actually creepy in 40K. Most of the time they say it's creepy, but then glorios Space Marines bolter chaos to hell nonetheless.

As to why DG isn't there yet - they are leaving it open whether Shadowsuns message is coming from a distant past - or even the future, right? So, either there's a 3rd player involved (tyranids are the obvious one given rumors, Imperium, because there's always some imperium OR, looking at the galactic map, even Necrons) or it's just some time-warping warp stuff.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
As a DA player, I'll take that 40 pages.....cheers.
Although the usual Anti-Marine crew are back at it again, it's already been pointed out that the majority of those pages are official datasheets for units that they have had access to for months. I'm pretty sure the only new datahseet will be Lazarus, unless they give DA access to Centurions (since they mentioned them in the fluff WD article), but I doubt it.
And guess what....shock horror, it will probably be the same for the SW too when they come around.

I am interested to see what GKs get though. They don't need a ton to make them competitive (ish), they just need the right tweak. They should get a reduction in CPs for some of their strats though, hope that happens.

At least we shall see this week and get a full reveal at the weekend from online videos.

As for Chaos not getting the same treatment, heresy is it's own reward

Dark Angels player states he likes his faction getting super special treatment - wow thats wierd... Yeah its a been a few months since they were last and extensively featured in WD....

Is a so called Campaign book the best place to cram in 40 pages of ever so slightly different and mostly reprinted rules? Its a Dark Angels Supplement with some other stuff thrown in as it was for Blood Angels and likely will be Space Wolves and Deathwatch.

Having an actual campaign story and related elements taking up the same space in a Campaign book might have been a more interesting.....than Marine supplement number.....

You're throwing a lot of salt at the DAs my friend. You do realize our WD "feature" if it can truly be called that was nothing more than a rather boring mission and not anywhere comparable to previous WD minidex updates. I know I know, DA are part of the evil SM faction that gets all the updates... Except we don't. We still don't have a start collecting kit, when some factions that already had kits are getting new ones. Ignoring Vigilus, which featured all factions, we haven't been featured (rules-wise) in a supplement since Pandorax, which gave us 2 Apocalypse formations and that was it. We did appear in Warzone Fenris, but only as secondary characters, with no major plot advancements or rules updates. Our current codex features an obscene amount of worthless strategems, relics, and pyschic powers (not saying they're all bad, but compared to other dex releases, it's pretty depressing). I will grant that we were in the poster boys for 6th and 7th and featured in the DV starter kit, but that was pretty much all GW did with our army. We never got a new multipart RW bike kit to match the newer models featured in the starter. Prior to the gathering storm, we were the only loyalist faction with a primarch whose location was known and was in good health, but we got passed over for the UM, the true poster boys of 40k. GW has spent the past decade doing just enough to keep DA players appeased without giving us anything substantial. I realize other factions need an update, believe me, I want GW to update those factions. Necrons have been trash since 8th dropped and they haven't had new models in over 15 years! But just because other factions need updates doesn't mean DA don't. Be happy that one of the worst factions in 8th is finally getting some attention. Every player should want a balanced game and playing a bad army really sucks. Aside from the Necrons, GKs, DAs, and TS all were in major need of a rules update, I'm amazed given how bad these factions were that we weren't featured first in PA.

Didn't necrons get a new character model in that necron v mechanicus box set a few years back? And how long ago was the plastic overlord?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Didn't necrons get a new character model in that necron v mechanicus box set a few years back? And how long ago was the plastic overlord?

Plastic Overlord came out with the Immortals/Deathmarks I think.

And yes, they got a variant Cryptek in Forgebane.

TotallyNotAFallenAngel wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
As a DA player, I'll take that 40 pages.....cheers.
Although the usual Anti-Marine crew are back at it again, it's already been pointed out that the majority of those pages are official datasheets for units that they have had access to for months. I'm pretty sure the only new datahseet will be Lazarus, unless they give DA access to Centurions (since they mentioned them in the fluff WD article), but I doubt it.
And guess what....shock horror, it will probably be the same for the SW too when they come around.

I am interested to see what GKs get though. They don't need a ton to make them competitive (ish), they just need the right tweak. They should get a reduction in CPs for some of their strats though, hope that happens.

At least we shall see this week and get a full reveal at the weekend from online videos.

As for Chaos not getting the same treatment, heresy is it's own reward

Dark Angels player states he likes his faction getting super special treatment - wow thats wierd... Yeah its a been a few months since they were last and extensively featured in WD....

Is a so called Campaign book the best place to cram in 40 pages of ever so slightly different and mostly reprinted rules? Its a Dark Angels Supplement with some other stuff thrown in as it was for Blood Angels and likely will be Space Wolves and Deathwatch.

Having an actual campaign story and related elements taking up the same space in a Campaign book might have been a more interesting.....than Marine supplement number.....

You're throwing a lot of salt at the DAs my friend. You do realize our WD "feature" if it can truly be called that was nothing more than a rather boring mission and not anywhere comparable to previous WD minidex updates. I know I know, DA are part of the evil SM faction that gets all the updates... Except we don't. We still don't have a start collecting kit, when some factions that already had kits are getting new ones. Ignoring Vigilus, which featured all factions, we haven't been featured (rules-wise) in a supplement since Pandorax, which gave us 2 Apocalypse formations and that was it. We did appear in Warzone Fenris, but only as secondary characters, with no major plot advancements or rules updates. Our current codex features an obscene amount of worthless strategems, relics, and pyschic powers (not saying they're all bad, but compared to other dex releases, it's pretty depressing). I will grant that we were in the poster boys for 6th and 7th and featured in the DV starter kit, but that was pretty much all GW did with our army. We never got a new multipart RW bike kit to match the newer models featured in the starter. Prior to the gathering storm, we were the only loyalist faction with a primarch whose location was known and was in good health, but we got passed over for the UM, the true poster boys of 40k. GW has spent the past decade doing just enough to keep DA players appeased without giving us anything substantial. I realize other factions need an update, believe me, I want GW to update those factions. Necrons have been trash since 8th dropped and they haven't had new models in over 15 years! But just because other factions need updates doesn't mean DA don't. Be happy that one of the worst factions in 8th is finally getting some attention. Every player should want a balanced game and playing a bad army really sucks. Aside from the Necrons, GKs, DAs, and TS all were in major need of a rules update, I'm amazed given how bad these factions were that we weren't featured first in PA.

Ok I'll bite - Complaining that "oh no we only got this load of updates, features, special models and general lavished upon treatment is not really helping the cause."

Compare the oh so poor Dark Angels sub-sub-faction (Imperial-Marine-Dark Angels) to all the other non Marine factions......and realise that because Dark Angels is having yet more stuff - other people dont - its as simple as that - limited resources spent on one thing mean its not on another case in point having a Dark Angel character (how many do we have now) means no other faction gets one with this so called campaign book.

But lets get back to talking about something other than just Marines - the Tau story was awesome, the possibilities are many - will they explore them?

Models - obviously not - does not sound like more Tau - either war weary jaded Tau veterans or GSC Tau or Human auxlieries but at least they are in the lore - love to see models of any of these.....

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Didn't necrons get a new character model in that necron v mechanicus box set a few years back? And how long ago was the plastic overlord?

The plastic Overlord was released with the 7th edition codex (White Dwarf Weekly #52, 24 January 2015).

Morden saying he'll bite while almost every post he make on this forum has some form of whine about DA.... This topic is getting ridiculous.

WhiteDog wrote:
Morden saying he'll bite while almost every post he make on this forum has some form of whine about DA.... This topic is getting ridiculous.

the mods have warned multiple times about hijacking these threads to complain about space marines getting stuff, ignore and report.

BrianDavion wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:
Morden saying he'll bite while almost every post he make on this forum has some form of whine about DA.... This topic is getting ridiculous.

the mods have warned multiple times about hijacking these threads to complain about space marines getting stuff, ignore and report.

Clearly the suspensions weren't long enough.

So pretty much all the dangels stuff has supposedly leaked. I dunno if I can post it all but there's some neat stuff. Couple examples (not the full thing, because again I dunno if it's ok to post it all) below.

Hopefully this is the buff that GK needed. I didn't know how bad they were hurting before until someone here showed me and WOW- they did need some help.

Deathwatch are pretty ok, I guess- I'm not holding out for them to get anything new- well, mainly because most of the time I can make any new model into a Deathwatch model, even if it's not intended to be.

I'm still disappointed that Inquisition wasn't the add-on that both of these factions needed to make them really lethal.

The buff that the GK need is the Primaris GK, but unfortunately that's not happening yet.

 Crimson wrote:
The buff that the GK need is the Primaris GK, but unfortunately that's not happening yet.

Never wanted Primaris, still don't. I'll be perfectly happy killing them.

 cole1114 wrote:
So pretty much all the dangels stuff has supposedly leaked. I dunno if I can post it all but there's some neat stuff. Couple examples (not the full thing, because again I dunno if it's ok to post it all) below.

Spoiler:

Doctrine

Whilst the Devastator Doctrine is active, the range characteristic of all Heavy and Rapid Fire weapons equipped on DARK ANGELS units with this ability is increased by 6", and the range characteristic of all Assault and Pistol weapons equipped on Dark Angels units with this ability is increased by 3"

Litany

If this litany is inspiring, then when a friendly DARK ANGELS INFANTRY unit that is within 6" of this unit and did not ADVANCE or FALL BACK this turn is chosen to shoot with, models in that unit can shoot with ranged weapons as if their unit had remained stationary.

a range buff for devestatore doctrine? that's actually intreasting. It's not gonna be game breaking but could be pretty useful.

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
The buff that the GK need is the Primaris GK, but unfortunately that's not happening yet.

Never wanted Primaris, still don't. I'll be perfectly happy killing them.

GK look pathetic next to the Primaris. They're supposed to be super astartes and now they're small and feeble compared to other marines.

BrianDavion wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
So pretty much all the dangels stuff has supposedly leaked. I dunno if I can post it all but there's some neat stuff. Couple examples (not the full thing, because again I dunno if it's ok to post it all) below.

Spoiler:

Doctrine

Whilst the Devastator Doctrine is active, the range characteristic of all Heavy and Rapid Fire weapons equipped on DARK ANGELS units with this ability is increased by 6", and the range characteristic of all Assault and Pistol weapons equipped on Dark Angels units with this ability is increased by 3"

Litany

If this litany is inspiring, then when a friendly DARK ANGELS INFANTRY unit that is within 6" of this unit and did not ADVANCE or FALL BACK this turn is chosen to shoot with, models in that unit can shoot with ranged weapons as if their unit had remained stationary.

a range buff for devestatore doctrine? that's actually intreasting. It's not gonna be game breaking but could be pretty useful.

They also get a 2CP stratagem to let a deathwing unit deepstrike within 6" of a ravenwing unit, and outside of 6" of an enemy unit. And a bunch more stuff.

 Crimson wrote:

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
The buff that the GK need is the Primaris GK, but unfortunately that's not happening yet.

Never wanted Primaris, still don't. I'll be perfectly happy killing them.

GK look pathetic next to the Primaris. They're supposed to be super astartes and now they're small and feeble compared to other marines.

I'm not compensating for anything, i don't need huge marines

 Crimson wrote:

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
The buff that the GK need is the Primaris GK, but unfortunately that's not happening yet.

Never wanted Primaris, still don't. I'll be perfectly happy killing them.

GK look pathetic next to the Primaris. They're supposed to be super astartes and now they're small and feeble compared to other marines.

This sums up pretty well the whole primaris thing in my opinion...

 Crimson wrote:

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
The buff that the GK need is the Primaris GK, but unfortunately that's not happening yet.

Never wanted Primaris, still don't. I'll be perfectly happy killing them.

GK look pathetic next to the Primaris. They're supposed to be super astartes and now they're small and feeble compared to other marines.

Are you talking models or rules?

GK are the faction that can get a scale update like Thousand Sons since they stand so far apart from the aesthetics of other marines. With GW saying no Primaris I imagine they'll get such an update in the far future.

mortar_crew wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
The buff that the GK need is the Primaris GK, but unfortunately that's not happening yet.

Never wanted Primaris, still don't. I'll be perfectly happy killing them.

GK look pathetic next to the Primaris. They're supposed to be super astartes and now they're small and feeble compared to other marines.

This sums up pretty well the whole primaris thing in my opinion...

Ironically, the introduction of the GK metal terminators on 40mm bases had a similar problem and reception. Lol, what's that BSG quote? All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
The buff that the GK need is the Primaris GK, but unfortunately that's not happening yet.

Never wanted Primaris, still don't. I'll be perfectly happy killing them.

GK look pathetic next to the Primaris. They're supposed to be super astartes and now they're small and feeble compared to other marines.

I'm not compensating for anything, i don't need huge marines

Its the hugeness, its the proportions. The GK kits looked amazing when they first came out, nowadays... well.
Still, I'd rather they prioritize updating all the various metal and resin kits still littering various model lines.

BrianDavion wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
So pretty much all the dangels stuff has supposedly leaked. I dunno if I can post it all but there's some neat stuff. Couple examples (not the full thing, because again I dunno if it's ok to post it all) below.

Spoiler:

Doctrine

Whilst the Devastator Doctrine is active, the range characteristic of all Heavy and Rapid Fire weapons equipped on DARK ANGELS units with this ability is increased by 6", and the range characteristic of all Assault and Pistol weapons equipped on Dark Angels units with this ability is increased by 3"

Litany

If this litany is inspiring, then when a friendly DARK ANGELS INFANTRY unit that is within 6" of this unit and did not ADVANCE or FALL BACK this turn is chosen to shoot with, models in that unit can shoot with ranged weapons as if their unit had remained stationary.

a range buff for devestatore doctrine? that's actually intreasting. It's not gonna be game breaking but could be pretty useful.

Their trait already encourages DA to be a boring gunline, and this is doubling down on that. But dull as it may be, they'll be good at it.

 cole1114 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
So pretty much all the dangels stuff has supposedly leaked. I dunno if I can post it all but there's some neat stuff. Couple examples (not the full thing, because again I dunno if it's ok to post it all) below.

Spoiler:

Doctrine

Whilst the Devastator Doctrine is active, the range characteristic of all Heavy and Rapid Fire weapons equipped on DARK ANGELS units with this ability is increased by 6", and the range characteristic of all Assault and Pistol weapons equipped on Dark Angels units with this ability is increased by 3"

Litany

If this litany is inspiring, then when a friendly DARK ANGELS INFANTRY unit that is within 6" of this unit and did not ADVANCE or FALL BACK this turn is chosen to shoot with, models in that unit can shoot with ranged weapons as if their unit had remained stationary.

a range buff for devestatore doctrine? that's actually intreasting. It's not gonna be game breaking but could be pretty useful.

They also get a 2CP stratagem to let a deathwing unit deepstrike within 6" of a ravenwing unit, and outside of 6" of an enemy unit. And a bunch more stuff.

Sick. Where are you seeing these? PM me if you can't post

If that leak is true, I hate that super doctrine. Luckily, it seems that RW and DW are getting some serious help with relics, traits and strats which they will need since they never utilize the basic Tactic or super doctrine apparently. I want to be in Tactical Doctrine as soon as possible for the bikes and terminators. I expect this is why RW and Dw are getting a lot of love, they don't make use of the Chapter Tactic or super doctrine.

I see the DA super doctrine (assuming these rumors are true) as actually being more a mild doctrine buff, and not a "... ohh who are you kidding you wanna be in X doctrine all the time" that some of the other doctrines are. from a game design POV, TBH it's proably one of the better designed doctrines out there. as It'll be a useful bonus to have but yeah, you're still going to shift through the doctrines

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:


Their trait already encourages DA to be a boring gunline, and this is doubling down on that. But dull as it may be, they'll be good at it.

Maybe? It ups double tap range.