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TFA, not TLJ

Don’t forget that the Tarkin Doctrine wasn’t a bad plan. Just poorly executed.

If it wasn’t for Galen Erso tipping off the Rebel Alliance, they’d have had time to double check the completed plans. That wasn’t possible at the time, as to keep construction a secret it was proper Batman - lots of different peeps building innocuous bits and bobs.

With victory over Scarif, and Tarkin’s hubris, The Emperor’s hand was tipped prematurely.

It was the loss of the Death Star, not its deployment, that screwed things up.

 Necros wrote:
I found the lack of Ewoks disturbing.

Again, we haven't seen under resurrected Palpatine's hood yet...

Are you suggesting it was three Ewoks stacked up in a cloak all along?

 gorgon wrote:
Some scenes might not even be in the film, since that's such a thing now.

And I for one really wish film producers would stop doing this. It's bloody annoying, particularly when it's a cool shot (like the tie fighter pop-up from Rogue One).

 LunarSol wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
I'm curious about why they didn't actually show Palpatine, other than a brief glimpse of the side of his hood on the throne... We know what Palpatine looks like, so there seems little point in not showing him unless -
- it's not actually Palpatine
or
- it's not as simple as 'Hey, Palpatine's back, baby!'... and showing him would give something about that away.

There's a scene where it looks like Rey and Kylo team up and strike down a black cloak. Haven't rewatched it for details. I think at this point its very likely that Palpatine won't be a physical entity but some kind of raw manifestation of the Dark Side. That would tie into the way Maz describes it in Ep7, but I try not to assume anything JJ puts in his dialog necessarily has any meaning so I wouldn't put a lot of stock in any sort of foreshadowing.

I *think* that's Vader's mask on top of a pedestal. However, I think it's possible that the scene is a fakeout or dream sequence or something. The scene wants to suggest the two of them working together, but Ben wearing his Kylo mask suggests that he isn't reformed.

I’m thinking it’s all of Vader’s charred armour?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Are you suggesting it was three Ewoks stacked up in a cloak all along?

Leading an army of Force-controlled evil Ewoks (Evilwoks?) piloting Star Destroyers and TIEs...



So Threepio's red eyes would be him going into Evil God Mode to take over as general of the Ewok horde.

And I dunno if it’s just me, but I read that scene as them both deliberately shattering it?

Oh noes.

Will have to watch it again!

 insaniak wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Some scenes might not even be in the film, since that's such a thing now.

And I for one really with film producers would stop doing this. It's bloody annoying, particularly when it's a cool shot (like the tie fighter pop-up from Rogue One).

At least that one has the excuse of extensive reshoots.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Are you suggesting it was three Ewoks stacked up in a cloak all along?

This would completely redeem the Ewoks.

So if all the Skywalkers are dead why is this called the Rise of Skywalker again?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Anyone?

Looks pretty forgettable, which is not at all surprising considering this is coming from the same guy that gave us An Even Newer Hope. Dragging Palpatine out of the grave is a huge indicator of how creatively bankrupt the people running this franchise are.

 Frazzled wrote:
So if all the Skywalkers are dead why is this called the Rise of Skywalker again?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Anyone?

Leia is still alive at the beginning of the film, Luke will probably be around as a Force ghost, Kylo Ren is a Skywalker, you never know who Rey may turn out to be, maybe the film will explain it, etc.

Still a no go for me. Maybe several months after its release if my brother rents it and wants to watch it, but I'm sick of Disney's bs.

Voss wrote:

Though that was a Lucas bit, and I doubt that the current studio/writers/directors care about some of the minor takeaways from the prequels.

I don't believe we could call the Clone Wars TV show a minor takeaway, of which the droids were the main antagonists. So popular they bought them back for an episode in Rebels.

Kylo also entertained the thought of using a clone army in Force Awakens...

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Looks pretty forgettable, which is not at all surprising considering this is coming from the same guy that gave us An Even Newer Hope. Dragging Palpatine out of the grave is a huge indicator of how creatively bankrupt the people running this franchise are.

EU would never have stooped to such nonsense....

Unless this film has the force ghost of Watto shooting lightning at jetpack Palpatine, it can't possibly live up to my incredibly low expectations.

 Frazzled wrote:
So if all the Skywalkers are dead why is this called the Rise of Skywalker again?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Anyone?

Probably the rise of Anakin Skywalker, as there is a shot where Rey is backing away from a mechanical, black cloaked figure***.

Also, The Last Jedi ended on the note that the galaxy is inspired by Lukes final act on Krait. Perhaps giving rise to him as a legendary figure and symbol to unite the resistance.

*** My mistake - its the emperor. Looks like its just Luke being a bit of a symbol.

 LunarSol wrote:

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Looks pretty forgettable, which is not at all surprising considering this is coming from the same guy that gave us An Even Newer Hope. Dragging Palpatine out of the grave is a huge indicator of how creatively bankrupt the people running this franchise are.

EU would never have stooped to such nonsense....

The EU was mostly garbage too, don't recall ever saying otherwise.

 insaniak wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Some scenes might not even be in the film, since that's such a thing now.

And I for one really wish film producers would stop doing this. It's bloody annoying, particularly when it's a cool shot (like the tie fighter pop-up from Rogue One).

On that we agree. I really missed that scene as well as (to my own shame) the part where she says to the rebels that she rebels. I know that second one is cringey but I liked it... and both were missing from the actual film after the reshoots.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Are you suggesting it was three Ewoks stacked up in a cloak all along?

This would completely redeem the Ewoks.

Indeed... for a visions comics issue though! A old friend of mine cut up the old Star Wars WOTC mini of the Emperor to glue his force lighting onto a Jawa that he repainted into a dark lord of the sith. I wouldn't have done that with my own (at the time) $40 ultrarare but I'll admit it was entertaining.

SamusDrake wrote:

Voss wrote:

Though that was a Lucas bit, and I doubt that the current studio/writers/directors care about some of the minor takeaways from the prequels.

I don't believe we could call the Clone Wars TV show a minor takeaway, of which the droids were the main antagonists. So popular they bought them back for an episode in Rebels.

'We' aren't calling the cartoon any such thing. Just the idea that using a droid army is ineffective because they aren't very good.

Kylo also entertained the thought of using a clone army in Force Awakens...

A clone army is not a droid army, so I'm not clear on the relevance of this statement.

It's a big ol' meh, for my money.

I just don't have any attachment to these characters or their story and given how much of a curveball/asspull Palpatine's maybe-return is combined with JJ's predilection for "mystery box" gotcha BS, I can't assess the actual stakes of the film because we don't know if he'll be the baddie or it's a misdirect.

At this point, all I can bring myself to hope for is that RoS ends up being as inoffensively dull as TFA and doesn't gak too much on established characters.

Hope everyone likes a big ole space battle where everyone dies, and we don't see rian johnson for this one. The last movie was shot gorgeously but written poorly. If it had a team of writers that were extremely comptent that would've been a great film. I hope they give Star wars movies a break for a bit... (they aren't) but hey I can dream.

This series was pretty disappointing and pretty bland, if I do say so myself, and i hope the latest film is better and brings a bit more risk to the table and not play safe bets the entire movie.

Still not a clue as to what this movie was about. Normally big movies get one "story" trailer to at least give the basic premise. We know nothing about this.

Anyway, I'm curious about this because it'll be the first time JJ has had to end something. That alone will be worth the price of admission.

And if they can retcon anything from TLJ whilst they're at it, then that'll be nice.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Still not a clue as to what this movie was about. Normally big movies get one "story" trailer to at least give the basic premise. We know nothing about this.

Anyway, I'm curious about this because it'll be the first time JJ has had to end something. That alone will be worth the price of admission.

And if they can retcon anything from TLJ whilst they're at it, then that'll be nice.

Yeah I can't get a read out of this movie at all, which is really wierd which might mean.. its a complete an absolute mess. Or its going to be run of the mill.

In two minds about this, on the one hand it looks like we are going to get a nice big space battle with the Imperials returning and loads of new/old ships (including the Ghost!) which will be cool.
On the other hand whilst that is going on we have people riding horses along the hull of an Imp Star deuce, which is... uhm? Hopefully it makes sense in the film but I really have my doubts. Perhaps they are the freed slaves from TLJ coming to save the day in one last glorious charge?

I'm very excited for this movie's release.

Not because I'm going to go and see it, of course. These things have gotten progressively more cringe-inducing and taking $20 and lighting it on fire while I ate microwave popcorn would be a better source of entertainment.

I'm excited because, well- hopefully this God-awful dumpster fire is burning down to its last embers and we can shove this trilogy directly into the budget bin at Wal-Mart and in a few years, we can lump it together with that mythical "fourth Indiana Jones movie" that doesn't exist, and look at people like they're insane when they bring these movies up.

The only thing these movies have done for Star Wars is make the prequels look better.

And that's like saying "that experience made my colonoscopy more appealing by comparison".

Good riddance, and once this movie is in the past with its two ugly siblings... we can "kill the past, burn it if we must".

 Asherian Command wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Still not a clue as to what this movie was about. Normally big movies get one "story" trailer to at least give the basic premise. We know nothing about this.

Anyway, I'm curious about this because it'll be the first time JJ has had to end something. That alone will be worth the price of admission.

And if they can retcon anything from TLJ whilst they're at it, then that'll be nice.

Yeah I can't get a read out of this movie at all, which is really wierd which might mean.. its a complete an absolute mess. Or its going to be run of the mill.

Run time is apparently confirmed at around 2 1/2 hours, which is supposedly the longest SW movie ever. It would be difficult to give a clear indication of what are clearly several threads in a short trailer. I suspect we'll have Luke.. er Rey on the Death Star, Han.. er Finn and Poe on Endor and Lando flying the Falcon to follow separately

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Still not a clue as to what this movie was about.

If they told us, we might not go see it.

And yet, what are the odds that everyone in this thread will see it no longer then one month after release?

I’d even bet that Frazz has already bought his day one tix!

 Alpharius wrote:
And yet, what are the odds that everyone in this thread will see it no longer then one month after release?

I’d even bet that Frazz has already bought his day one tix!

I got disillusioned with the MCU after the lead up to Captain Marvel and have yet to see the last Avengers movie after being with the MCU since the very beginning (opening weekend for Iron Man) and only missing one movie in the whole lineup in theatres until that point. Unless fan reviews tell me that it's a true return to form and not a rehash (like TFA) or a disgrace (like TLJ) or just plain ok (like Rogue One) or utterly forgettable (like Solo which I paid for another movie and walked into), I won't be seeing it. I'm under no grand illusion that somehow my patronage will make or break the movie but my tiny wallet contribution is literally the only direct power I have to wield.