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EnTyme wrote: I find it funny because it effectively discredits all the "leaks" we've seen. If these leaks were accurate, I'd think "points will be in a separate book" would be one of the most important things to mention. As far as the announcement itself, I loved when they did this for AoS, and I love that they're doing it for 40k now. When the points and rules were in the same book for Chapter Approved/General's Handbook, people viewed the rules as outdated the same way they did the points. In reality, the rule were still completely valid. With the points being separate now, GW can just update points every year while keeping popular new rules in the game.
It is nice having just the points in a separate booklet. While I don't like having to reach for multiple books for rules I rarely look at point costs during a game so having them in a different book is no inconvenience, whereas if I am actually building a list or checking point costs I just have to grab the one little booklet and not worry about anything else.
Chris521 wrote: Unless I'm looking at it wrong, it looks like the points book is a soft cover, while the normal chapter approved is hard cover. Could that mean a lower lead up time for that book?
I don't think so. Looking at the front of my Chapter Approved 2018, I see that same line near the spine as opposed to the indent I see on the cover of my Codex Astra Militarum.
Tyranids
-Malanthrope down 10pts
-Haruspex down 10 pts
-hive tyrant down 5pts
-Hive guard up 2 pts
Chaos
-Discordant up in cost 15 pts
- CSM down 2 pts
- cult marines down 2 pts
- Cultists stay the same
- plaguebeaerers up 1 pt
- greater daemon cost reduction (including named)
KurtAngle2 wrote: Tyranids
-Malanthrope down 10pts
-Haruspex down 10 pts
-hive tyrant down 5pts
-Hive guard up 2 pts
Chaos
-Discordant up in cost 15 pts
- CSM down 2 pts
- cult marines down 2 pts
- Cultists stay the same
- plaguebeaerers up 1 pt
- greater daemon cost reduction (including named)
KurtAngle2 wrote: Tyranids
-Malanthrope down 10pts
-Haruspex down 10 pts
-hive tyrant down 5pts
-Hive guard up 2 pts
Chaos
-Discordant up in cost 15 pts
- CSM down 2 pts
- cult marines down 2 pts
- Cultists stay the same
- plaguebeaerers up 1 pt
- greater daemon cost reduction (including named)
The thing with Space Marine drops, it may not be on units currently spammed. Maybe its Land Raider, or storm Raven, or DA, BA, SW drops. These would hardly change things currently, at least not for the worse.
KurtAngle2 wrote: Tyranids
-Malanthrope down 10pts
-Haruspex down 10 pts
-hive tyrant down 5pts
-Hive guard up 2 pts
Chaos
-Discordant up in cost 15 pts
- CSM down 2 pts
- cult marines down 2 pts
- Cultists stay the same
- plaguebeaerers up 1 pt
- greater daemon cost reduction (including named)
bullyboy wrote: The thing with Space Marine drops, it may not be on units currently spammed. Maybe its Land Raider, or storm Raven, or DA, BA, SW drops. These would hardly change things currently, at least not for the worse.
This is what I think. I still doubt these rumours though, since it would certainly leave a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths around the holiday season.
"Unsourced" means you should be skeptical. "Unsourced on 4chan" means you can pretty much bank on it being some neckbeard who thinks he's clever trying to drum up controversy for "the lulz".
2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress 2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
AnonAmbientLight wrote: How insane is it to suggest that a snippet of rule changes, in this case points, is enough for you to claim that the game is over.
That's like you looking through a keyhole into a room, and then telling us you know exactly what's going to be inside of the entire room.
It's fascinating because you will find this kind of mentality in pretty much anything, not just table top.
I'm pretty conservative on my doomsaying when it comes to 40k, but even I'll be calling bull if marines get points drops on much of anything effected by the new doctrine rules. Those bumped them to a very good place for anything but exploitative combos. Points drops will push it over the edge into blatant BS.
bullyboy wrote: The thing with Space Marine drops, it may not be on units currently spammed. Maybe its Land Raider, or storm Raven, or DA, BA, SW drops. These would hardly change things currently, at least not for the worse.
I suspect any Marine posts drops would be stuff like bringing BA etc in line with Marines. and maybe dropping some points on stuff that never got a points drop in the codex and is priced a bit too high.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
To all those who think vanilla marines will get point drops...the CA 2019 was probably written before codex SM... This is what happened with spacewolves codex last year... We got zero changes to spacewolf stuff even though the codex was released in august. The CA 2018 had no changes for DE,harlies, deathwatch or knights so it was probably written to include everybody up to necron codex....
So they couldn't just have a section of the book dedicated to points changes. We obviously needed another book.
Fudge me, someone over there really few sandwiches short of a picnic...
FB page clarified both books will cost the same as previous years CA right ? I'm at work so cant really check myself.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
bullyboy wrote: If it's just DA, BA, SW, DW, GK marine changes, I'd be fine with that.
If PA3 is basically Codex Blood Angels - why would they duplicate this in CA 2019?
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bullyboy wrote: If it's just DA, BA, SW, DW, GK marine changes, I'd be fine with that.
If PA3 is basically Codex Blood Angels - why would they duplicate this in CA 2019?
it is my understanding that PA3 is just rules changes and the odd new datasheet. I would strongly doubt that they would have full points for BAs. That's for the codex (which will still be valid) and CA adjusts to that.
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Argive wrote: So they couldn't just have a section of the book dedicated to points changes. We obviously needed another book.
Fudge me, someone over there really few sandwiches short of a picnic...
FB page clarified both books will cost the same as previous years CA right ? I'm at work so cant really check myself.
Books equal guaranteed sales.
Models are not so clear
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
"This book is part lore, part double-pronged codex update, and all awesome! Inside, you’ll see the Blood Angels face the Tyranids once more as part of their desperate ongoing defence of their homeworld. New and updated datasheets give your Blood Angels access to extra army rules, Vanguard units, Stratagems, psychic powers, Litanies and more! There’s even some extra stuff for Flesh Tearers fans – ideal if you like your Blood Angels successors extra bloody."
My money is on it essentially being a BA codex supplement update with a bone thrown for tyranids to keep up appearances...
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
We do know, at the very least, that there are some unique Tyranid stuff in it. They have the custom Hive Fleet stuff, and Stratagems and so on that we'd expect, but the Adaptive Psyiology stuff will be the real measuring stick. The last 2 books have felt somewhat underwhelming, so Games Workshop are probably hoping for a strong release this time.
2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress
2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
Eldar- 4436 pts
