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Because marines = money in gw's mind.

Not realising that non investment = no consumption leads to a downward spiral.

And considering they NEEDED a wakeup call on SoB and HAVEN'T LEARNED A THING i doubt you'd get something.

Also further Chapterhouse yadda yadda, produced DE charachters, yadda yadda, means BAD EVIL DE players Yadda yadda somethig.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/28/chapter-approved-2019-forging-a-narrativegw-homepage-post-2/

next articel....although it basically is the same as the one yesterday ...WTF

 Imateria wrote:

Lemondish wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I'm really surprissed Death Company intercessors are a unit and not an stratagem update.

Other case of the absolutely random and inconsistent No-Models But-Sometimes-Rules policy.

Well they don't really seem to be anything but an Intercessor box with the Blood Angel upgrade sprue and painted black instead of red.

And yet Kabalite Trueborn are just Kabalites with extra special weapons, but have been removed. Only Marines seem to get the exceptions (somethign that has been pointed out several times by a lot of people over the last couple of years).

*looks awkwardly at the cadian shock troops box that can make 7 different datasheet entries and is pretty much the whole of my infantry*

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

Lemondish wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I'm really surprissed Death Company intercessors are a unit and not an stratagem update.

Other case of the absolutely random and inconsistent No-Models But-Sometimes-Rules policy.

Well they don't really seem to be anything but an Intercessor box with the Blood Angel upgrade sprue and painted black instead of red.

And yet Kabalite Trueborn are just Kabalites with extra special weapons, but have been removed. Only Marines seem to get the exceptions (somethign that has been pointed out several times by a lot of people over the last couple of years).

Because Marines constantly get models so its less likely to consoldate any of the vastly bloated tome of loads of ever so slightly different unit variations - in fact the opposite - another reason why the exclusive unrelenting Marine model support destroys balance, the game and other factions.

I think you missed the point on this one, the complaint is that units without models are getting cut for other armies, the upset is BA got a new entry with 0 model support because it can be converted. Literally the opposite of your complaint that they get too many releases.

So was that two wound Chaos Cult Marines rumour not true then?

 Crimson wrote:
So was that two wound Chaos Cult Marines rumour not true then?

Nope
, some price cuts but you still overpay for them

Gsc stuff:

-Demo charges from 5 to 10.
-Heavy mining lasers from 25 to 15
-missile launcher from 15 to 10
-clearance incinerator from 30 to 20
-Heavy seismic cannon -10

Need some real Nids and Orks update over here...

the_scotsman wrote:
Gsc stuff:

-Demo charges from 5 to 10.
-Heavy mining lasers from 25 to 15
-missile launcher from 15 to 10
-clearance incinerator from 30 to 20
-Heavy seismic cannon -10

This was surprising, I wasn’t anticipating any adjustments this cycle. While the changes to Demo Charges is sad (my poor demo claw acolytes...) the other two are nice buffs for the Ridgerunner and Rockgrinder.

Dudeface wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

Lemondish wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I'm really surprissed Death Company intercessors are a unit and not an stratagem update.

Other case of the absolutely random and inconsistent No-Models But-Sometimes-Rules policy.

Well they don't really seem to be anything but an Intercessor box with the Blood Angel upgrade sprue and painted black instead of red.

And yet Kabalite Trueborn are just Kabalites with extra special weapons, but have been removed. Only Marines seem to get the exceptions (somethign that has been pointed out several times by a lot of people over the last couple of years).

Because Marines constantly get models so its less likely to consoldate any of the vastly bloated tome of loads of ever so slightly different unit variations - in fact the opposite - another reason why the exclusive unrelenting Marine model support destroys balance, the game and other factions.

I think you missed the point on this one, the complaint is that units without models are getting cut for other armies, the upset is BA got a new entry with 0 model support because it can be converted. Literally the opposite of your complaint that they get too many releases.

Is it really a matter of conversion or paint job? I’d consider this the same as saying SW and DA get “special units with no models” because they have Wolf Lords and Masters instead of captains.

Are wolf lords in addition to captains with different rules? If not not same at all

 Strat_N8 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Gsc stuff:

-Demo charges from 5 to 10.
-Heavy mining lasers from 25 to 15
-missile launcher from 15 to 10
-clearance incinerator from 30 to 20
-Heavy seismic cannon -10

This was surprising, I wasn’t anticipating any adjustments this cycle. While the changes to Demo Charges is sad (my poor demo claw acolytes...) the other two are nice buffs for the Ridgerunner and Rockgrinder.

It does make the hml an even bigger auto take on the ridgerunner, but hopefully we see more adjustments. All we have is the range weapons page - no unit costs or melee weapons.

The demo adjustment is for bikes - I can attest to how silly 5 demo charges with +1 to hit and wound can be from bikes. But I do hope we see maybe a single point drop on the bike body, suicide demo charge is the only way to use them.


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tneva82 wrote:
Are wolf lords in addition to captains with different rules? If not not same at all

No iirc they're basically identical. They even used to just be "use the captain profile" in the index.

 Crimson wrote:
So was that two wound Chaos Cult Marines rumour not true then?

No. (Which should've been obvious when that particular rumour migrated from it's origin for a Black Templar vs. Emperor's Children battle box to Psychic Awakening 2 before finally latching onto Chapter Approved rumours).

 Imateria wrote:

Lemondish wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I'm really surprissed Death Company intercessors are a unit and not an stratagem update.

Other case of the absolutely random and inconsistent No-Models But-Sometimes-Rules policy.

Well they don't really seem to be anything but an Intercessor box with the Blood Angel upgrade sprue and painted black instead of red.

And yet Kabalite Trueborn are just Kabalites with extra special weapons, but have been removed. Only Marines seem to get the exceptions (somethign that has been pointed out several times by a lot of people over the last couple of years).

They had Vet stats too didn't they? Or did I imagine that?

...so far im not seeing any point changes to Custodes. am i reading this wrong?

also for a moment i freaked because it looked like multi-melta had a drop, but then i realized im probably looking at the GSC section and got a little sad.

Looks like some interesting drops for chaos demons though with a few increases, but im wondering if the sheer amount of point drops in other areas make up for the increases...

waiting on more notes, including further clarification on custodes and IG.

Friend sent me this. Not sure if this is legit:

Asurmen -25
Bikes -5
Cronos -5
Eldrad +10
Falcons -10
Fire Prism -15
Foot Locks -10
Hellions -2
Hemlock -20
Raider 0
Reapers -3
Shadowseer -15
Shining Spears -4
Sky Locks -5
Spiritseers -10
Starweaver -19
Talos +18
Troupe Master -5
Venoms -10
Voidweavers -13
Vypers -2
Wracks 0
Warp Spiders -1
Wraithblades Axe Shield -10
Wraithknight -45
Wraithlords -5


Dark Lances -5
Disintegrators 0
Neuro Disruptor -5

Lol. Venoms down in points?

That'd be nice.

What about Harlequin troupes? The 9>7 error on the web graphic has me curious.

 Eldarsif wrote:
Friend sent me this. Not sure if this is legit:

Warp Spiders -1
Eldrad +10
Wraithblades Axe Shield -10
Falcons -10
Vypers -2
Foot Locks -10
Sky Locks -5
Spiritseers -10
Asurmen -25
Hemlock -20
Prism -15
Wraithknight -45
Wraithlords -5
Reapers -3
Shining Spears -4
Talos +18
Cronos -5
Venoms -10
Shadowseer -15
Troupe Master -5
Bikes -5
Voidweavers -13
Starweaver -19

Can you get AdMech points please?

ImperialDwarf wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
Friend sent me this. Not sure if this is legit:

Warp Spiders -1
Eldrad +10
Wraithblades Axe Shield -10
Falcons -10
Vypers -2
Foot Locks -10
Sky Locks -5
Spiritseers -10
Asurmen -25
Hemlock -20
Prism -15
Wraithknight -45
Wraithlords -5
Reapers -3
Shining Spears -4
Talos +18
Cronos -5
Venoms -10
Shadowseer -15
Troupe Master -5
Bikes -5
Voidweavers -13
Starweaver -19

Can you get AdMech points please?

Imperial Guard, too?

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Lol. Venoms down in points?

That'd be nice.

What about Harlequin troupes? The 9>7 error on the web graphic has me curious.

If these point changes are true I suspect a lot of weapon options are about to change point costs.

If I get Ad Mech or Guard I'll post it, but currently this is all I've been sent.

 Eldarsif wrote:
Friend sent me this. Not sure if this is legit:

Warp Spiders -1
Eldrad +10
Wraithblades Axe Shield -10
Falcons -10
Vypers -2
Foot Locks -10
Sky Locks -5
Spiritseers -10
Asurmen -25
Hemlock -20
Prism -15
Wraithknight -45
Wraithlords -5
Reapers -3
Shining Spears -4
Talos +18
Cronos -5
Venoms -10
Shadowseer -15
Troupe Master -5
Bikes -5
Voidweavers -13
Starweaver -19

All this would make my Eldar stuff very happy. Are those 3 the only DE changes though ? Wish the oddball units like beasts, beastmasters, etc would get a drop.

Weird flex on talos if they don't also change grots.

But, lovely news for my cwe and harlequins holy moly. Especially if the 2pt drop for troupes is also in there.

Venoms - 10? Is this a joke... They were super cheap already...

 lonewolf81 wrote:
Venoms - 10? Is this a joke... They were super cheap already...

While I don't wanna complain about point drops, all is good, I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the playtester meeting where they decided the Venom needs to lose 10 points, but the Vyper "only" 2 points

Added some more to the list.

Apparently Dark Lances are going down 5 points.


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Sunny Side Up wrote:

 lonewolf81 wrote:
Venoms - 10? Is this a joke... They were super cheap already...

While I don't wanna complain about point drops, all is good, I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the playtester meeting where they decided the Venom needs to lose 10 points, but the Vyper "only" 2 points

Yep, I don't understand it. It's not like the Vyper is hot stuff.

 Eldarsif wrote:
Friend sent me this. Not sure if this is legit:

Asurmen -25
Bikes -5
Cronos -5
Eldrad +10
Falcons -10
Fire Prism -15
Foot Locks -10
Hellions -2
Hemlock -20
Raider 0
Reapers -3
Shadowseer -15
Shining Spears -4
Sky Locks -5
Spiritseers -10
Starweaver -19
Talos +18
Troupe Master -5
Venoms -10
Voidweavers -13
Vypers -2
Wracks 0
Warp Spiders -1
Wraithblades Axe Shield -10
Wraithknight -45
Wraithlords -5


Dark Lances -5
Disintegrators 0
Neuro Disruptor -5

Might be right, but, it can't be all the Eldar changes as it doesn't include the CHE points bump that we already know is coming from the WHC article.

 Eldarsif wrote:
Friend sent me this. Not sure if this is legit:
Spiritseers -10
Wraithblades Axe Shield -10
Wraithknight -45
Wraithlords -5

Please tell me this is legit.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
So was that two wound Chaos Cult Marines rumour not true then?

Nope
, some price cuts but you still overpay for them

Okay, not Chaos army for me then. I had decided to start one if there was a possibility of having CSM that were not utter winps compared to the loyalists. Alas, it was bot to be.

Hmm. Hellions down 2 is nice. Dark Lance down to 10pts also means I can take them on kabs without feeling like a dingus.

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
Friend sent me this. Not sure if this is legit:
Spiritseers -10
Wraithblades Axe Shield -10
Wraithknight -45
Wraithlords -5

Please tell me this is legit.

if it is, i will totally cream myself

the_scotsman wrote:
Hmm. Hellions down 2 is nice. Dark Lance down to 10pts also means I can take them on kabs without feeling like a dingus.

-5 on a Dark Lance only puts it at 15 points. Better, but very weird that it's apparently going to be cheaper than a Blaster.