Chapter Approved 2019

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**Togusa**

englishfury wrote:
Bdrone wrote:
so, any folk with Tau, IG or Custodes experience. whats your take on the respective changes? i have an interest in all 3 of those factions, and does any of this shake things up for any of them?

Play against Tau and Custodies.

Neither had anything that changes their meta, Tau player annoyed that crisis are still garbage as he really likes the model, and is still stuck in one build. Custodie player likes his termies and their weapon are cheaper

I still don't get why people dog on Crisis suits all the time.

I've been running:

2 Commanders: 1 Cold Star, 1 Standard, 1 Ethereal

30 FW Teams

12 Crisis Suits (Varying loadouts)
4 Broadside Suits
3 Ghostkeel Suits
2 Riptides
1 Stormsurge

And I find it to be fun as heck!

**Latro_**

so there are no FW changes? no one online seems to be covering them.

edit: old SS has doen it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2qF4fkP-xY

fellblade stayed the same points, sad days

**Togusa**

the_scotsman wrote:
Ordana wrote:
The Phazer wrote:
Okay, so stand down the GSC panic. Abberants seem to have been nerfed into the ground for no real reason, but they weren't such a core part of the army that's a crisis, just a shame. The Kellermorph isn't an autotake any more, but it's not a disaster.

Shooting got a lot cheaper, but the points reductions to Russes mean they're still probably the better option - at least it's touch an go with GSC vehicles with heavy mining lasers though if you want more mobility.

They finally made Metamorphs cheap enough they're worth thinking about, and didn't change anything about Acolytes which are the core of most people's armies. My army probably nets out points wise, which is fine.

The points differential between Cult Genestealers and Tyranid ones looks even worse though, and I don't understand why that wasn't fixed.
Most GSC lists were running 2x10 Aberrants so saying they were not a core part of the army seems wrong to me.
Otherwise mostly agree tho.

I mean, competitively we have units that do the exact same job as them that didn't get any nerfs. Sucks for me as I love the lumpy lads but I also have a bunch of heavy weapon acos.

Meanwhile ridge runners in the auto take loading went down a solid 25pts. I'm sad we didn't see any drop for Goliath trucks, those things are awful. Watch out I paid for two autocannons and a stubber and they're gonna hit on 5s!!!

Speaking as someone who got tabled by GSC using trucks on turn one, no, they're not awful. They're really, really good.

Pro tip. Charge with them. They seem to excel at that.

**Therion**

Latro_ wrote:
so there are no FW changes? no one online seems to be covering them.

Mortis dread went down 15 points. Leviathan, Contemptor and Derodero stay the same.

**Dulahan**

Any written out FW changes? Too many family members about to watch a video about it.

Specifically interested in Custodes and Aeldari changes (Asuryani, Corsairs, and Ynnari)

**RedFox**

Therion wrote:
Latro_ wrote:
so there are no FW changes? no one online seems to be covering them.

Mortis dread went down 15 points. Leviathan, Contemptor and Derodero stay the same.

What about Contemptor Mortis dreadnought?

Also no other FW Astartes changes? (Both kind)

**Chris521**

I think the Chaplain Dread went down 15.

**Yarium**

Lol, obvious misprint, but in the video where they show everything, Neophyte hybrids are listed as 55 points per model!

(EDIT: you can see it at 31:56 in the video)

**lolman1c**

Jidmah wrote:
Emicrania wrote:
ATM im VERY pissed for the lack of point change on PK, transports and the goddamn Stompa, I wanna play that model so bad it makes me wanna cry....

I agree, the lack of point drops on weapons and transports are weird.

Honestly, I still can't believe since the index our shooting weapons still cost so high. The additional weapons on battlewagons cost an arm and a leg and do nothing! Reducing our equipment alone would save 100+ poins in Speed lists.

**Jidmah**

All the weapon worth shooting are found on buggies. My buggy list went down by 78 points.

**Sterling191**

Yarium wrote:
Lol, obvious misprint, but in the video where they show everything, Neophyte hybrids are listed as 55 points per model!

(EDIT: you can see it at 31:56 in the video)

There’s some wacky misprints. Deathwatch for instance can now put 31 Terminators, 25 Bikes, 16 Blackshields and 18 VanVets in a single Vet squad.

**Chris521**

Sterling191 wrote:
Yarium wrote:
Lol, obvious misprint, but in the video where they show everything, Neophyte hybrids are listed as 55 points per model!

(EDIT: you can see it at 31:56 in the video)

There’s some wacky misprints. Deathwatch for instance can now put 31 Terminators, 25 Bikes, 16 Blackshields and 18 VanVets in a single Vet squad.

It has been speculated that those numbers are what they meant to make the costs of those units when taken in a kill team.

**Adeptus Doritos**

Sterling191 wrote:
There’s some wacky misprints. Deathwatch for instance can now put 31 Terminators, 25 Bikes, 16 Blackshields and 18 VanVets in a single Vet squad.

Best Patrol Detachment I've ever used...

BATTLE BROTHERS, 'ANGRY MOB OF HOOLIGANS' FORMATION, NOW!!!

**Jidmah**

To beat xenos, you have to think like them.

**Adeptus Doritos**

Jidmah wrote:
To beat xenos, you have to think like them.

I can just imagine, watching that approach- two Orks are standing there.

"Does ya see dat, Gitbusta?"
"I does. It's bee-u-ifful. I'm so proud'a the humies."

**bullyboy**

The DW error is simple. First column (where model number goes) is old points, second column has the correct adjusted points. Simple FAQ fix, and since you build units from codex entry, a non factor really.

**Sersi**

Rydria wrote:
Noise Marines 13pts, blaster master 12 pts, doom siren 8, sonic blaster 4pts.

Not that I'm surprised, but GW is still way over valuing ignore cover. A storm-bolter or combi-bolter are only 2 pts, and with bolter discipline better options. While an Auto Bolt Rifle with the same profile as a Sonic Blaster costs only 1 pt.

**Tetsu0**

broxus wrote:
Well CA19 didn’t really help out Death Guard much. Watched some videos today. I’ll keep everything up to date and add units below:

The good:
-Blighthaulers -15 (102)
-Deathshroud terminators -10 (42)
-Bloat drones -20 (probes went down to 5pts)
-Typhus -20 (150)
-Poxwalkers -1 (5)
-plague caster (I think that is his name) -15 (95)
-cultists -1 (4)
-Spawn -5 (20)
-Lord of Contagion -17 (95 before weapon) (still useless until they fix aura)
-Rhino - (65)
(There are other small changes)

The bad:
-Our demon princes didn’t get the pt drop
-no change to plague marines points or wounds (50% more than a CSM =useless now)

Death shroud termies dropped another 8 points on top of that since their plaguespurt gauntlets are now free.
Myphitic blighthaulers also lost an extra 10 points because of the weapons dropping in points. Which means other vehicles using multi-meltas or missle launchers will be down in points. Lots of other ranged weapon drops.

**nordsturmking**

Almost all points changes are in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YPr_fspC_I

**Voss**

So, Chapter Approve brings yet more updated daemon datasheets and something that seems to be actual (experimental) terrain rules. Shocked, me.

Points start at 17:22 in that video.

**Galas**

In the point changes regard, TBH, barring the poor Genestealer Aberrants and... ogryns? This has been a pretty good Chapter Approved.

I mean. I'm not a great fan of making everything cheaper. I prefer for everything to become more expensive and make the very powerfull things even more expensive. But as is know for every developer, be it boardgames, roleplaying games, or videogames, people loves "Buffs" and hates nerfs. And lowering point costs makes people buy more models and be able to play with more of their toys so is a win win for everybody. I assume.

**broxus**

Tetsu0 wrote:
broxus wrote:
Well CA19 didn’t really help out Death Guard much. Watched some videos today. I’ll keep everything up to date and add units below:

The good:
-Blighthaulers -15 (102)
-Deathshroud terminators -10 (42)
-Bloat drones -20 (probes went down to 5pts)
-Typhus -20 (150)
-Poxwalkers -1 (5)
-plague caster (I think that is his name) -15 (95)
-cultists -1 (4)
-Spawn -5 (20)
-Lord of Contagion -17 (95 before weapon) (still useless until they fix aura)
-Rhino - (65)
(There are other small changes)

The bad:
-Our demon princes didn’t get the pt drop
-no change to plague marines points or wounds (50% more than a CSM =useless now)

Death shroud termies dropped another 8 points on top of that since their plaguespurt gauntlets are now free.
Myphitic blighthaulers also lost an extra 10 points because of the weapons dropping in points. Which means other vehicles using multi-meltas or missle launchers will be down in points. Lots of other ranged weapon drops.

Those changes are already from CA2018

**Not Online!!!**

Galas wrote:
In the point changes regard, TBH, barring the poor Genestealer Aberrants and... ogryns? This has been a pretty good Chapter Approved.

I mean. I'm not a great fan of making everything cheaper. I prefer for everything to become more expensive and make the very powerfull things even more expensive. But as is know for every developer, be it boardgames, roleplaying games, or videogames, people loves "Buffs" and hates nerfs. And lowering point costs makes people buy more models and be able to play with more of their toys so is a win win for everybody. I assume.

Nope, disagree, fw index armies are still trash, too many drops,to few hikes.

**Galef**

Looks like the rumour that Hemlocks were dropping 20ppm was wrong. It's clearly still 200pts + 10ppm spirit stones in that video.

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**Vaktathi**

GW *Really* seems to want people to buy Russ tanks it looks like.

Boy are they making up for previous editions hard at this point

**Sterling191**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
There’s some wacky misprints. Deathwatch for instance can now put 31 Terminators, 25 Bikes, 16 Blackshields and 18 VanVets in a single Vet squad.

Best Patrol Detachment I've ever used...

BATTLE BROTHERS, 'ANGRY MOB OF HOOLIGANS' FORMATION, NOW!!!

No lie, I'm actually in the middle of calculating the points to see if I can legally play this in a 2000 point game.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Jidmah wrote:
To beat xenos, you have to think like them.

Frankly I find the idea of a xenos that thinks offensive!

**Imateria**

Galas wrote:
In the point changes regard, TBH, barring the poor Genestealer Aberrants and... ogryns? This has been a pretty good Chapter Approved.

I mean. I'm not a great fan of making everything cheaper. I prefer for everything to become more expensive and make the very powerfull things even more expensive. But as is know for every developer, be it boardgames, roleplaying games, or videogames, people loves "Buffs" and hates nerfs. And lowering point costs makes people buy more models and be able to play with more of their toys so is a win win for everybody. I assume.

Ravagers went up 15pts each, as the only long range fire support available in the Drukhari codex, that bloody hurts.

**Sunny Side Up**

Imateria wrote:
Galas wrote:
In the point changes regard, TBH, barring the poor Genestealer Aberrants and... ogryns? This has been a pretty good Chapter Approved.

I mean. I'm not a great fan of making everything cheaper. I prefer for everything to become more expensive and make the very powerfull things even more expensive. But as is know for every developer, be it boardgames, roleplaying games, or videogames, people loves "Buffs" and hates nerfs. And lowering point costs makes people buy more models and be able to play with more of their toys so is a win win for everybody. I assume.

Ravagers went up 15pts each, as the only long range fire support available in the Drukhari codex, that bloody hurts.

Though Archons went down 15, Dark Lances went down 5 and lots of other stuff went down as well. Drazar down another 20.

It hurts the souped 3-Diss-Ravagers-plus-one-Archon, but if you run mainly Drukhari, I think it comes out a wash, mostly. You'll probably make those 45 points for 3 Dissy-Ravagers on the new savings on your HQs alone.

It's not ideal, especially with "down" being a general trend, but it's no Aberrant-style annihilation of the army, I think.

**the_scotsman**

My ravager has dark lances, so no harm done here. Given that you can take disintegrators on less OP platforms, Im glad they chose that way to nerf dissie ravagers.