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Interestingly, it's billed as a Warhammer Studios project - not a Specialist Games project.

In theory, that means full plastic armies, rather than FW resin stuff.

Wonder how far back they'll go? Could we see earlier Nagash vs Still A Man Sigmar?

 Alpharius wrote:
Especially if it means I'll be able to play a mass battle ranked up fantasy game AND find opponents near me!

I mean, KOW is bloody great and the Northeast is one of the best places to play it IMHO, with lots of chill players and awesome modellers

FW announced a little while ago that they were going to be doing WFB again, I imagine this is just related to that

shinros wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ahhhhh, GW do something people have been asking for.

Then comes the complaining.

Nah, I am just trying to remain realistic. I honestly don't think it's not going to be the same(lore wise) and then the question is what edition are they going to build from?

I don't think that's realistic at all. There's absolutely no reason for them to return to the Old World other than the established lore and characters that make it worth knowing. And I wouldn't expect it to be "built from" any edition other than 8th. They might retool things that coincidentally resemble aspects of previous editions, but 8th was the last one they approved of in the old format, so that'll be it.

This is straight up GW trying to take the wind out of Mantic's sails, announcing a competing product that's 3 years off during KoW's 3rd edition release. And the battered wives come flocking back, because this time will be different, really.

Heh, I didn't expect a real return of the Old World. They're saying it's years ahead and made a specific logo, so I suspect it will be a new game indeed.

Yes, it's completely about nostalgia, but it is a powerful force - it's why KoW and 9th Age are around, after all. I guess people from these games won't be too happy if it hits the retail, because they know Mantic Games or 9th Age can't compete with GW's marketing machine and sucking a lot of their player base back under their rule.

Building off 8th doesn't sound like a 3 year project?

If they were, it'd be tweak the rule book (perhaps remove 'more ranks steadfast', or clarify it), then reprint the still compatible Army Books.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a more radical change to the rules.

 Necros wrote:
The fact that they keep saying it's years away makes me think it's really not

Naw it really is. GW are honestly pretty good with their estimations and they generally don't try to mask it. If they say it might take 2-3 years then expect it to take 2-3 years (which means 3 years minimum). If they can do it faster they will, but I think that its pretty sensible time span. If we assume they are making totally new models for this (considering many old world armies were full of old plastics and legacy sculpts whilst some of the newer stuff was the Island of Blood which isn't marketable outside of a starting set; or the more extreme titanic god models which were more AoS than Old World style); that easily accounts for a 2-3 year development cycle. Especially if they want to hit the ground running. That's two full armies they'll need at launch to get it going and a good game plan and head start on developing others to release.

The big questions will be how they do it; how it will tie into AoS releases; what kind of market they'll aim for and even if they keep the same scale (though honestly that last one sounds like a given - esp as GW has always had a spotty history with getting Warmaster and Epic scale games to sell - both series of games in the past were often killed off pretty quick. Heck Epic 40K was dead very fast).

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ahhhhh, GW do something people have been asking for.

Then comes the complaining.

Are they though?

They're making a game, it has something to do with the old setting, it's probably three years away.

Will it actually be the old setting, or are they going to Adeptus Trademarkicus everything and tweak things so it better serves their view of WHF as a lead-in to AoS? New models or old or both? Will they be resin or plastic or both? What edition, if any, will the rules be based on? What tone will the fiction strike; Red Period self-parody? Golden Years grimdark & gallows humour? Late Period bombastic OTT Micheal Bay style? Heck, what scale will the game be?

We don't really know much of anything, and if people are cynical and reserved until we have some more concrete info I don't actually think that's unreasonable given GW's history with WHF and its fanbase.

What I don't get is why announce it at all? This feels like the kind of "oh gak, get something Official out there stat!" response you sometimes see to a leak...except there was no leak. Before their own teaser, nobody had any expectation WHFB was coming back, surely it would have made more sense to hold off until they had more to show and tell than literally just a logo.

Well, I don't need new rules, I'm still playing 6th edition. But replacing missing models is big news for me.

I won't lie, it'll pull a lot of people back in, and if they do rank and file combat I'm in, I loved seeing blocks of units and I never had the chance to play Fantasy before they blew it up.

So after giving it some thought, I wonder if this is GW’s answer to what to do with forgeworld when the Horus Heresy starts to wind down. Within the next three years the full set of Primarchs will be done, the legions will all have thier core units represented in the game. 40k has snapped up the demon prince versions of primarchs. Aside from more black books, there isn’t a huge amount of heresy minis left to make.
If they are looking for that older hardcore nostalgic demographic with money to spend, then warhammer fantasy is the next logical place to go.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Building off 8th doesn't sound like a 3 year project?

If they were, it'd be tweak the rule book (perhaps remove 'more ranks steadfast', or clarify it), then reprint the still compatible Army Books.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a more radical change to the rules.

That'd be my guess as well, but if it were to be based on an edition of WHFB, then there's not reason to expect anything other than 8th as the springboard.

That said, I don't think the 3 years is necessarily pure development either. How much longer can the Horus Heresy last? There can't be more than a few years left before Forge World are done with it, and have the resources for something else of a similar scale.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
This is straight up GW trying to take the wind out of Mantic's sails, announcing a competing product that's 3 years off during KoW's 3rd edition release. And the battered wives come flocking back, because this time will be different, really.

Well in my case it's not me flocking back but gw flocking back. I stopped because gw killed off game. Not me leaving still alive game.

Interesting to see in what form it comes. Fb style or maybe warmaster style.

I'm not convinced this is a FW project.

The wording in the article refers to a dedicated team in the Warhammer Studio?

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ahhhhh, GW do something people have been asking for.

Then comes the complaining.

Are they though?

They're making a game, it has something to do with the old setting, it's probably three years away.

Will it actually be the old setting, or are they going to Adeptus Trademarkicus everything and tweak things so it better serves their view of WHF as a lead-in to AoS? New models or old or both? Will they be resin or plastic or both? What edition, if any, will the rules be based on? What tone will the fiction strike; Red Period self-parody? Golden Years grimdark & gallows humour? Late Period bombastic OTT Micheal Bay style? Heck, what scale will the game be?

We don't really know much of anything, and if people are cynical and reserved until we have some more concrete info I don't actually think that's unreasonable given GW's history with WHF and its fanbase.

What I don't get is why announce it at all? This feels like the kind of "oh gak, get something Official out there stat!" response you sometimes see to a leak...except there was no leak. Before their own teaser, nobody had any expectation WHFB was coming back, surely it would have made more sense to hold off until they had more to show and tell than literally just a logo.

I would suspect they were trying to head-off any potential leaks. It doesn't sound like this will be a small undertaking, and out-of-context leaks could have led to a much more negative reaction.

Also, I think it might be intended as a "shot across the bow" to the competition.


For someone like me, who despises AOS (background and graphic design, I don't particularly care about rules), this is quite positive news.

If I were feeling cheeky I'd play this game using Mantic sculpts,
but their line is so inconsistent it's like they have 1-2 sweet
models and then they poop the bed.

Darsath wrote:
Not sure I see the point in this announcement if I'm being honest. The game is 2-3 years away, and the only thing they have at the moment is a logo.

You know how GW won't announce their new stuff too far in advance (sisters aside) because they want people buying what's available, not what's coming out in a year? Fantasy mass combat is currently the opposite of that. Gw isn't selling anything to scratch that itch, but plenty of others are. In this case, GW wants us to not buy into Oathmark or Warlords or KOW or ASOIAF and instead wait to play our Brets or Dwarves or greenskins with gW again.

shinros wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ahhhhh, GW do something people have been asking for.

Then comes the complaining.

Nah, I am just trying to remain realistic. I honestly don't think it's not going to be the same(lore wise) and then the question is what edition are they going to build from?

Most likely 8th, considering the Heresy comparison. Also, I DO expect a change in the lore so as to be able to keep the newer stuff introduced in the End Times.

Best news i've heard from GW in years.

The downside is this will hurt the kings of war effort in town and will also hurt the other rank and flank games because people are going to gravitate to where the people are, and ... i have a straw poll that has 15-20 of our whfb returning when this hits.

That includes dipping into the shallower AOS pool and pulling players from that.

Now lets wait and see.

 Polonius wrote:
You know how GW won't announce their new stuff too far in advance (sisters aside) because they want people buying what's available, not what's coming out in a year? Fantasy mass combat is currently the opposite of that. Gw isn't selling anything to scratch that itch, but plenty of others are. In this case, GW wants us to not buy into Oathmark or Warlords or KOW or ASOIAF and instead wait to play our Brets or Dwarves or greenskins with gW again.

Yes. GW is destablizing competitors in the RNF market that they loudly left in 2015, while calling attention back to the Warhammer Fantasy Battle brand while they figure out what they're doing.

The only way this is of interest is if they are completely redesigning every army from the ground up. New plastics for every unit and hero in the game.

Hopefully this will mean the old models come back into production as others have said.

GW are good at models and background, if we end up using these models and stories to play with KoW rules then no issue!

I'd be surprised if at least some of the models don't return. I mean, I assume the moulds still exist, so that's cutting down on production costs.

Maybe this was just deadspace in the endless Warhammer Community
hypetrain.

"feth. We already spoiled Sisters of Battle. What do we have in the docket?"

"Uh.....square? bases?"

"Fuuuuuuuuuuu.... Okay run it.

Boss Salvage wrote:GW is destablizing competitors in the RNF market that they loudly left in 2015, while calling attention back to the Warhammer Fantasy Battle brand while they figure out what they're doing.

Exactly. It's aimed at competing companies, signaling a return to the market while putting the thought in comsumer's mind to consider tempering any investment for (re)consideration of GW for their "needs" in that regard.

Dread Master wrote:The only way this is of interest is if they are completely redesigning every army from the ground up. New plastics for every unit and hero in the game.

I'd actually think that is somewhat "likely" as the main reason for the long development. Not to make what will, precedently, likely be some dubious quality rules, but rather, I don't think GW wants to be in any material but plastic, so it will take time to revamp all the lines to be 100% plastic and ready to go.

 malfred wrote:
If I were feeling cheeky I'd play this game using Mantic sculpts,
but their line is so inconsistent it's like they have 1-2 sweet
models and then they poop the bed.

Why torture yourself with meh rules and meh models? Play great KoW rules with great GW models

 Polonius wrote:

Darsath wrote:
Not sure I see the point in this announcement if I'm being honest. The game is 2-3 years away, and the only thing they have at the moment is a logo.

You know how GW won't announce their new stuff too far in advance (sisters aside) because they want people buying what's available, not what's coming out in a year? Fantasy mass combat is currently the opposite of that. Gw isn't selling anything to scratch that itch, but plenty of others are. In this case, GW wants us to not buy into Oathmark or Warlords or KOW or ASOIAF and instead wait to play our Brets or Dwarves or greenskins with gW again.

Seems odd, mostly because Games Workshop got rid of Warhammer Fantasy because it didn't have the players to support it. Why go back to it now?

 Polonius wrote:

You know how GW won't announce their new stuff too far in advance (sisters aside) because they want people buying what's available, not what's coming out in a year? Fantasy mass combat is currently the opposite of that. Gw isn't selling anything to scratch that itch, but plenty of others are. In this case, GW wants us to not buy into Oathmark or Warlords or KOW or ASOIAF and instead wait to play our Brets or Dwarves or greenskins with gW again.

I think you are right. I was just thinking, with most of GW's target audience (especially those interested in a return to WHFB) being in their 40s and 50s, announcing something in the distant future is kind of like saying, "I hope your eyes are still good enough to paint miniatures when this comes out" or "the best time to read the rulebook will be during colon prep" or "your kids don't need college tuition money, save up for this instead". It makes much more sense that they are hoping to sabotage actual competitors with existing products than trying to hype a distant, future product to an aging audience.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 malfred wrote:
If I were feeling cheeky I'd play this game using Mantic sculpts,
but their line is so inconsistent it's like they have 1-2 sweet
models and then they poop the bed.

Why torture yourself with meh rules and meh models? Play great KoW rules with great GW models

Lol