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@ RiTides thanks for updating the OP!
Feel free to move this thread elsewhere or delete if it doesn't belong in N&R (it bloody well does! IMO )

So friends... It seems we have come upon a junction.
So we build our ebay gotten dusty old stockpiles of WHFB miniatures now or we wait?

Seriously though I'm very torn on this. Part of me is very happy old world is coming back. But the other part of me thinks they have murdered/sacrificed that beautiful lamb to the dark gods of profits to create AOS, and it just won't be the same and will not do justice to the things that were.

I can't help but feel they will royaly feth this up and it will be but a pale shadow of true WHFB we all love and remember.

But IMO if they just dive back before "end times" reared its head would be spot on for me personally! Imo do they even need to have all miniatures from the same timeline? Like a dead phoenix king could quite easily be released as a miniature. Forge your own narrative and all that...he.....haaaa.......
I for one would love to see a Finubar model make the tabletop. I don't believe they ever did rules for PK's? Tyrion being the defacto bad man of the pointy ears and Imrik being his dragon-riding second.

I am pretty excited and this actually works for me regarding time scale, I think in about 3 years time I will probably get around to build most of the HE stuff I have stockpiled! haha

Any one else hope they will bring back the talisman dragon sculpts and the older feel of the Old World??
They are wacky and epitomise WHFB for me, yeah, hitting that nostalgia spot right on the button! I dont really want an AOS edition WHFB. AOs is fine as is and I hope they dont try to shoe horn the two together too much and just realise the two asthetics dont have to mesh and they are happy being two separate things. However the money grubbing corpocrat inside me thinks any opportunity for cross sales and up sales will not be missed :( So an AOSIfied WHFB it will be. Hope Im wwong.

 Boss Salvage wrote:
And yet why would they make an announcement about a release 2-3 years in the future right now? What other relevant event has happened in the world of RNF miniwargaming that would make GW break its extremely well-documented - and loathed by retailers - habit of not announcing things ahead of time?

From my cursory glance, the Kings of War release shipped three weeks ago (October 21?). If this was really about GW undercutting their release, why would GW wait until now? Further, announcing a product that won't be available for three years isn't going to create much competition for something available now.

While I'm sure GW are aware of Kings of War, I would guess they don't see them as a threat. GW has always been a miniature business first and a game business second. While GW's prices are terrible, they are producing arguably the best models in plastic in the industry these days. Mantic's models are no where near the same level of quality.

The potential for this is just humongous... seeing the latest Underworld warband shows just what GW can do in regards to updating older kits whilst keeping the older aesthetic.

An Empire, Bretonnian or Kislev army in the vein of what we've seen in Underworlds so far would be absolutely unreal. Classic models like the Green Knight, Greatswords, Steam Tank, Trebuchet and Grail Reliquae featuring the best GW has to offer in plastic CAD designed models would be beyond cool.

I miss the old world aesthetic, I don't want to get my hopes up too much but GW revisiting it with new models would be just awesome.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

From my cursory glance, the Kings of War release shipped three weeks ago (October 21?). If this was really about GW undercutting their release, why would GW wait until now?

Maybe they weren't worried about KoW3 until it came out and did well?

(Did it do well? I don't follow KoW.)

Fingers, Toes, Eyes, etc. crossed for a new Mordheim! I'm skittering over the mere possibility.

How about 2024?

Bet you they'll try and retrofit Sigmarines, fish elves, etc. back into it.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

From my cursory glance, the Kings of War release shipped three weeks ago (October 21?). If this was really about GW undercutting their release, why would GW wait until now?

Maybe they weren't worried about KoW3 until it came out and did well?

(Did it do well? I don't follow KoW.)

I can't speak to the commercial success, but I've noticed more and more models coming out of Mantic that actually resemble something I'd like to build, paint and give table time to, rather than a miscast board game model that's been left in a hot car for a year.

So maybe it is informing GWHQ's thinking a bit.

But I can only really see this making commercial sense in a different scale or with some other factor, nuGW might try hard to appear to be fluffier than old GW, but they still don't make a jump unless they think they're going to land in a pile of cash.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Bet you they'll try and retrofit Sigmarines, fish elves, etc. back into it.

I’ll take that bet. £20 suit?

I think there's a 50% chance that the game is never released. This announcement will be used to gauge interest before they devote any resources into it, and by 2023 when it will be released, a lot of things and priorities can change.

Crikey, 8 pages of replies already!

If you have old collections then obviously keep hold of them and just get the new ones when convenient.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Boss Salvage wrote:
Did somebody say square-based RNF mini-wargaming??

https://www.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/794774804299081/

“We don’t blow up worlds. We build them.” Shots fired back! I’m going to have to duck out of this crossfire.
.

Sick burn. Well done Mantic.

Im just hoping its warmaster

 Azreal13 wrote:

I can't speak to the commercial success, but I've noticed more and more models coming out of Mantic that actually resemble something I'd like to build, paint and give table time to, rather than a miscast board game model that's been left in a hot car for a year.

So maybe it is informing GWHQ's thinking a bit.

I guess skilled 3d modelers with a knowledge of plastic casting are becoming more common what with all the kickstarters making plastic minis these days.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
Thank you GW for bringing back the best game you ever made.

WHAT?!? They are bring back Epic 40K as well as relaunching the Old World...

Honestly though, if your heart is in the Old World I'd be very careful with it after this announcement. Three years in the future and not a thing to see today, that's way less and much longer than us Sisters players got.

I was wondering how they would ever justify resurrecting Mordheim as the Old World no longer exists...

...I have now ceased wondering and will become a fervent member of the "Bring back Mordheim!" campaign

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

From my cursory glance, the Kings of War release shipped three weeks ago (October 21?). If this was really about GW undercutting their release, why would GW wait until now? Further, announcing a product that won't be available for three years isn't going to create much competition for something available now.

The Core Rules with the Mantic armies was released, the Book with the lists for old GW armies will be released in December.

So while there is no reason to undercut the original release, doing so for the Supplement addressed to Warhammer Refugees is a thing

PS: talking about this book

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Bet you they'll try and retrofit Sigmarines, fish elves, etc. back into it.

Well that would then beg the question; have they put primaris marines into the Horus Heresy?

Not an expert in WH fluff but didn't the Stormcasts arrive after the old WHFB world was destroyed as a means of ultimate-badass revenge? As far as I know there isn't time travel in Warhammer universes - nothing that allows back-to-the-future or terminator-esque shenanigans...

Gods of Chaos: "Hold our beers..."

As much as I love The Olde World (currently rereading many of the WFB novels I have)... I honestly can't see myself going back to it. The armies I have collected for it have been sold off, the community for it has been destroyed (in my area), and there are so many other good games I can use to scratch the "high fantasy" wargaming itch like the Middle Earth SBG, Kings of War or Dragon Rampant.

At this point, I really just can't see myself buying back into it.

SamusDrake wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Bet you they'll try and retrofit Sigmarines, fish elves, etc. back into it.

Well that would then beg the question; have they put primaris marines into the Horus Heresy?

Not an expert in WH fluff but didn't the Stormcasts arrive after the old WHFB world was destroyed as a means of ultimate-badass revenge? As far as I know there isn't time travel in Warhammer universes - nothing that allows back-to-the-future or terminator-esque shenanigans...

Gods of Chaos: "Hold our beers..."

True. I may be being pessimistic and skeptical because GW keeps finding new ways to disappoint me with every release.

I was just about to finally give in and rebase my dwarfs and empire to try AoS. NOPE. Not happening.

Ive waited this long, 3 more years is fine. 40k can hold me over, but I hope we get new model with the resurrection of the old world.

Oh lawd...Meme-Hammer!

Personal favorite:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/15/meme-hammer-youre-welcome/

Heh.

I started rebasing my huge night goblin army for AOS early in the year and am still plowing through it.
So of course they decide to bring back a format that allows square bases.... and hopefully ranked units.

But there is still my empire, lizard en, vampire counts....

That last meme tho...

 Flashman wrote:
I was wondering how they would ever justify resurrecting Mordheim as the Old World no longer exists...

...I have now ceased wondering and will become a fervent member of the "Bring back Mordheim!" campaign

I'm very much enjoying the memes

Flashman, sign me up!

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Further, announcing a product that won't be available for three years isn't going to create much competition for something available now.

It absolutely keeps the Oldhammerers still looking for an outlet that isn't more Oldhammer (ha, theoretically!) in a holding pattern instead of giving in and checking out the new shiny edition of KOW, a game they likely heard something about but dismissed. I know I did the same when KOW 1E came out. Also keeps Warhammer a relevant name in the niche RNF mini market, a name that GW deliberately removed from that market with much fanfare back in 2015.

As for KOW 3E's success, it certainly feels to be gaining momentum, and was apparently the most successful non-GW edition release at my FLGS in a number of years - and that's even with Mantic's derpy af supply issues

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
Thank you GW for bringing back the best game you ever made. My vendetta against you is done and the healing process can begin

What do you mean? Middle-Earth never left?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
Thank you GW for bringing back the best game you ever made. My vendetta against you is done and the healing process can begin

What do you mean? Middle-Earth never left?

I was gonna ask if I missed the BFG 2E announcement

I'm just never coming back. GW and I have parted ways stylistically. Every single AOS release has been some sort of over the top design turned up to 11 impossible to suspend disbelief wacko thing. I can't see them releasing anything for the Old World that remotely interests me.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
That last meme tho...

Yeah I genuinely belly laughed at that one. Fortunately there was no one within earshot that I had to explain the joke to