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 Dynas wrote:
I was just about to finally give in and rebase my dwarfs and empire to try AoS. NOPE. Not happening.


I gave in myself after having far too many units in my Nurgle forces that I can easily cross pollinate (plus my mates are playing it and 40k has gak the bed). I've just finished painting/converting 15 Blightkings and now this.



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 AnomanderRake wrote:
Bet you they'll try and retrofit Sigmarines, fish elves, etc. back into it.


Sigmar opens the Timecast chamber.

I am hoping this is Warmaster 2nd Edition.

I love the AoS background whereas I had just grown jaded with the Old World. I think we had so many campaigns where nothing really changed because much like old 40k the background felt stuck at a certain point.

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 Souleater wrote:

I love the AoS background whereas I had just grown jaded with the Old World. I think we had so many campaigns where nothing really changed because much like old 40k the background felt stuck at a certain point.


Almost as if they were both settings and not storylines...

The AoS "story" works as that is what GW wanted from the outset, and not something they hamfisted together after it not being that for the majority of its lifespan.


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 Souleater wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
Bet you they'll try and retrofit Sigmarines, fish elves, etc. back into it.


Sigmar opens the Timecast chamber.

I am hoping this is Warmaster 2nd Edition.

I love the AoS background whereas I had just grown jaded with the Old World. I think we had so many campaigns where nothing really changed because much like old 40k the background felt stuck at a certain point.
I wish they had just expanded the area where there was actually background information for Warhammer Fantasy.

Plenty of interesting new/old things can happen in places where you haven't specified anything.

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 The Power Cosmic wrote:
Fingers, Toes, Eyes, etc. crossed for a new Mordheim! I'm skittering over the mere possibility.

How about 2024?


With a $600 USD starter set.

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Okay. So I was excited. But now I'm not.
I don't mind AOS but I preferred fantasy. AOS has some cool factions, underworlds is awesome, and it allows me to make my army based around certain units (at least it used to.)

But now I'm stuck. Do I still buy OOP models off ebay? Wll they be re-released (Meme-hammer shows Settra twice)? Should I start basing my Duardin on round bases or square bases? Will they release something like LOTR has, which is a movement tray designed for round bases? Will it be specialist games or from FW? Too many questions and we won't have answers for a really long time.

Luckily, I have a horde of square bases left over from unmade models (and I don't think they ever stopped selling square bases.) But I'm still in a pickle.

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I would not think about it too much really. It will take a while before we see anything.
   
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I’d imagine that at the start, it’ll be re-released units, and re-designed characters.

That to me seems the sensible cash generating options. There are relatively few infantry kits in particularly desperate need of a resculpt. Spit and polish the mould, profit.

But putting say, Settra into plastic? That’s enticement to spend. Because after a quick think, relatively few WHFB special characters ever got a resculpt.

Right now, GW has stupidly deep pockets. So they can afford the investment risk of updating stuff. And by focussing on character models and army centrepieces they create the big draw.

Consider. I’ve an extensive Dark Elf army, made from the previous incarnation models. Now, if they give me a plastic Malekith, plastic Shades? That’s a reason for me, and any other former Dark Elf player to spend a few quid.

And it’s that ‘spend a few quid’ that GW are so good at encouraging to addiction and regular spending.

   
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Remember rank and file on square or round bases is often done with movement trays. So if you're on rounds stay on rounds - you'll just put them onto a movement tray anyway.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 Overread wrote:
Remember rank and file on square or round bases is often done with movement trays. So if you're on rounds stay on rounds - you'll just put them onto a movement tray anyway.


That can work for very casual games, but it's not ideal for a rank & flank game given that frontage matters and the footprint of the unit affects how it maneuvers.

I need to acquire plastic Skavenslaves, can you help?
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GaroRobe wrote:
But now I'm stuck. Do I still buy OOP models off ebay? Wll they be re-released (Meme-hammer shows Settra twice)? Should I start basing my Duardin on round bases or square bases? Will they release something like LOTR has, which is a movement tray designed for round bases? Will it be specialist games or from FW? Too many questions and we won't have answers for a really long time.


Could you not just drill the models feet with metal pins and then put these into the base (barring very large / weighty models) - but rank file should work fine.

It's a fascinating decision, 2 - 3 years down the line is probably close to the start of a development cycle so they were probably worried about a leak being misinterpreted. The decision to rework this seems odd given that it has not been that long since they stopped selling square bases and started culling older unit models.

However it is still a market decision and its fascinating to think why they might have done this. Perhaps they feel they lost a customer base and assumed this would move across to AoS and now trying to recapture it (arguably WFB was played by an older audience with more disposable income). Arguably it would have always been better to run AoS and WFB alongside each other (a fantasy skirmish + ranked battles). Alternatively Total War might have engaged a wider market base that no longer has an outlet to play out the game? They wouldn't do it if they didn't think it would be profitable but then there is one thing for sure if they try an 8th edition at current prices it will likely fail. What they need to do is find a way to generate mass ranks cost effectively or they need to move towards the more herohammer era of 4th and 5th (or the less onerous 6th).

I always thought that the cycle of WFB would come back but I'm not sure I thought it would happen this quickly.

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Not surprising. AOS is pretty much a failure. And TW:W made a lot of person interested in the OW. Still, gotta give credi to GW. They really have the ear of the community foe the last few years. And unsurprisingly enough, their financial situation is thriving

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Colour me excited.

My first real stint in this hobby was primarily as a WHFB collector. I was interested in 40k too, but I was mostly buying fantasy. I drifted away around 2011, then when I came back I found that GW had nuked WHFB and replaced it with AoS. I came back to 40k, and had very little interest in picking up AoS. WHFB and 40k were sufficiently different that I was interested in both, but AoS looked more like 40k in a fantasy skin, which just made me want to stick with 40k. Couple that with some lingering bitterness over killing the old world, and I've never picked up anything AoS.

Even so, I've still not abandoned fantasy. I've still been on-and-off painting a few things for my High Elves, and I've considered buying up a few Seraphon kits and a bunch of square bases so that I can expand my Lizardmen.

So yeah, I guess I'm a big part of the market for a revival. If they brought back WHFB, I'd probably buy far too much stuff.

   
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Damn, I rebased all my black orcs on round bases then primed them all. I also bought a ton of round bases I was just going to blue tack my square Lizardmen, Night Gobbos, Savage Orcs, and Chaos to. I couldn't justify cutting and regluing that much stuff so I was just going to blue tack them and call it a day. I'm glad I still have my old movement trays too!

   
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Oh my....

Excuse me while I quietly rejoice. Oh happy days. And gives the option for the return of Mordheim, Warmaster and even Man O’War
   
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 streetsamurai wrote:
Not surprising. AOS is pretty much a failure. And TW:W made a lot of person interested in the OW. Still, gotta give credi to GW. They really have the ear of the community foe the last few years. And unsurprisingly enough, their financial situation is thriving


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My long-term hobby plans involved a big fantasy campaign starting around this time. It'll be nice to have access to new models for my armies. I'm not fussed about the whether the rules are any good; I can just use WHFB6 if I don't like the new rules. I could see the various Chaos cultist/marauder types they've introduced recently fitting in well in the Old World setting. As someone who never made the jump to AoS, it's nice to see support continue for one of my preferred games. I can and do buy minis from other manufacturers, but I am a big fan of John Blanche's and Jes Goodwin's design aesthetics.

I'm very excited about the prospect of Mordheim maybe coming back. I had tremendous fun playing that back in the day, but the rules could have used a little more work.

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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 streetsamurai wrote:
Not surprising. AOS is pretty much a failure. And TW:W made a lot of person interested in the OW. Still, gotta give credi to GW. They really have the ear of the community foe the last few years. And unsurprisingly enough, their financial situation is thriving


Your bait is poor. Try harder.


Yeah, low level gak. Even for him.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’d imagine that at the start, it’ll be re-released units, and re-designed characters.

That to me seems the sensible cash generating options. There are relatively few infantry kits in particularly desperate need of a resculpt. Spit and polish the mould, profit.

But putting say, Settra into plastic? That’s enticement to spend. Because after a quick think, relatively few WHFB special characters ever got a resculpt.

Right now, GW has stupidly deep pockets. So they can afford the investment risk of updating stuff. And by focussing on character models and army centrepieces they create the big draw.

Consider. I’ve an extensive Dark Elf army, made from the previous incarnation models. Now, if they give me a plastic Malekith, plastic Shades? That’s a reason for me, and any other former Dark Elf player to spend a few quid.

And it’s that ‘spend a few quid’ that GW are so good at encouraging to addiction and regular spending.


I think its safe to assume we'll get some from of re-released Tomb King. As for characters, I'd be just as happy if they released the old models as I would be if they redesign some. I suppose they can't make certain models, Morathi, Malekith, Thanquol, and any other AOS model that *survived* the destruction of the Old World (unless they decide to keep the two settings separate, which could make sense.) The real question would be whether or not they decide to make models for characters that are reincarnated in AOS but not specifically namedropped (I'm looking at you Settra and Balthasar Gelt).
Either way, I just want an Anvil of Doom and a Throne of Judgement.
   
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I must admit I was wrong. Just saw the last few ICV2 reports, and AOS is doing really well.


Considering that, I'll shoulder my gun on the opther side, as we say in french, and must admit it's a bit of a weird decision. Not sure the fantasy market is big enough for 2 GW game. And it might take the winds of the sail of AOS

Not that I'm complaining.I'm really happy about this news

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Oh man, this is great.

The seething over in certain AoS circles is pretty fantastic to behold. So much for being a dead game none cared about, eh?
   
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The main draw for me would be more novels and coffee table books set in the Old World. Reprint The Loathesome Ratmen and All Their Vile Kin, and I might buy it (depending on price adjustment). However, I’ll wait on giving my heart back to WHF until they undo the End a times and move the plot forward past that time period. Even Storm of Chaos 2 Encephalitic Boogaloo: the Headbuttening would be a welcome change.


 Kanluwen wrote:
Oh lawd...Meme-Hammer!

Personal favorite:


Okay, this is the real best reason to bring back the Old World.

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Okay, this is the real best reason to bring back the Old World.


Yep, pretty funny.

The gakposting sites on Facebook have been having a blast with all the new content. And to think, its still 3 years away...

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While I've been warming up to APS in the last few years, I still think it can't hold a candle to WHFB in term of fluff and aesthetic. Can't wait to see what this will bring us

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 Arbitrator wrote:
Oh man, this is great.

The seething over in certain AoS circles is pretty fantastic to behold. So much for being a dead game none cared about, eh?


Get us some links or screenshots my dude. I love a good rager.

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GW killing the old world was the best thing that ever happened to my gaming.
I moved to KoW, and also tried loads of other games I would not have tried had I been kept in the GW hhhobby stable.

It made me realise just how long, drawn out, and dull a game of WHFB was. KoW 1st edition was far more enjoyable - even if I was still using mainly GW figures in the old world setting.

With the oversized, overdetailed, floaty AoS figures, my purchasing moved to Mantic and other companies for miniatures.

I miss the old world, but I'm now sticking with KoW and Vanguard for my fantasy fix.

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The main draw for me would be more novels and coffee table books set in the Old World. Reprint The Loathesome Ratmen and All Their Vile Kin, and I might buy it (depending on price adjustment). However, I’ll wait on giving my heart back to WHF until they undo the End a times and move the plot forward past that time period. Even Storm of Chaos 2 Encephalitic Boogaloo: the Headbuttening would be a welcome change.


 Kanluwen wrote:
Oh lawd...Meme-Hammer!

Personal favorite:


Okay, this is the real best reason to bring back the Old World.


I admit, it took me a second to understand it. Then I realized it was Settra
"Settra does not lose!"

So...does that mean Tomb Kings are confirmed? Because Settra showed up a couple of times.
I hope they bring back Archaon's old design. His End Times / AoS design is crap compared to what it was before.


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 Yodhrin wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Remember rank and file on square or round bases is often done with movement trays. So if you're on rounds stay on rounds - you'll just put them onto a movement tray anyway.


That can work for very casual games, but it's not ideal for a rank & flank game given that frontage matters and the footprint of the unit affects how it maneuvers.


Works for conquest.
In fact, if GW just doesn't flatout copy how Conquest does it and introduces "Slotta trays" that have circular indentations for your AoS miniatures, I'd be very surprised.
Come to think of it, don't they already have trays like that for War of the Ring?

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 Overread wrote:
Remember rank and file on square or round bases is often done with movement trays. So if you're on rounds stay on rounds - you'll just put them onto a movement tray anyway.

Which doesn't work for models that were on 20mm square bases, which is to say, all humans, goblins, elves, skaven, skinks, ungors, skeletons, zombies, ghouls, etc.
Basically most single-wound infantry that isn't an orc, chaos warrior, saurus, or gor.

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Voss wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Remember rank and file on square or round bases is often done with movement trays. So if you're on rounds stay on rounds - you'll just put them onto a movement tray anyway.

Which doesn't work for models that were on 20mm square bases, which is to say, all humans, goblins, elves, skaven, skinks, ungors, skeletons, zombies, ghouls, etc.
Basically most single-wound infantry that isn't an orc, chaos warrior, saurus, or gor.


Why should they reuse a size they have completely abandoned. I believe is a very big assumption to make.

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Plastic round slotta trays would be the best, heck they still have the molds for War of the Ring, just make ones for 32mm rounds and 50mm rounds. Going straight KoW footprint would be ideal, but I don't think it'll happen that way.

**Edit** crap, forgot about the dozens of oval bases, that wouldn't work out so great actually. Still hoping for footprint-based movement trays instead of tightly ranked individually based models tho

Should be entertaining, gives me plenty of time to finish my High Elf retro 6th ed army that I haven't touched in a 9 months, or my retro Chaos Mortals army that I built a few years back. Fortunately, I thought ahead and bought metal movement trays for both WHFB 6th and also KoW.

I'm looking forward to both games existing, they're both fantasy games but very different and unique enough for both to exist simultaneously.

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