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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/06 21:34:43
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World?? Square bases+AOS?? What is this madnes!? - Rumour/Theory thread
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Not sure.
Age of Sigmar is tied into the End Times - plenty of references to it in the lore.
However the very popular Total War has spin off books that extend beyond it - more akin to the old Storm of Chaos.
but agree the easiest for them is to (like current version of WFRP) to set it before the End Times/Storm of Chaos.... do they gain anything by advancing the timeline (although 2nd Ed WFRP did do that quite well)
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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/06 21:39:06
Subject: Warhammer The Old World?? Square bases+AOS?? What is this madnes!? - Rumour/Theory thread
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I suspect we need to look at adeptus titanicus as the model for this,
begin with identical forces (maybe a little variation with a home troop for each emperor) and see how it sells before expanding to anything else
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/06 21:44:18
Subject: Warhammer The Old World?? Square bases+AOS?? What is this madnes!? - Rumour/Theory thread
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Mighty Vampire Count
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:I don't see how. There were still elves in the world back then, just not as we know them.
Ditto with lizards and orcs. Not sure about Vampire counts though. I think the Von Carsteins were after those Emperors?
Vampires are old - Neferata and co were old when Sigmar was born. Just drop the word Counts
Wasn’t Magritta of Marienburg famously one of the claimants when Mordheim was destroyed? I seem to remember from the background of that game that part of the reason for the antagonism between the mercenaries from the various provinces was that Marienburg, Middenland and Reikland all had a claimant to the throne at the time?
In other words, is this about a new version of Mordheim instead of Warhammer proper? Or did they simply set the new Warhammer in that time to more easily accommodate Mordheim as the skirmish variant?
Would she not be Margarita 1 then? The big world map seems to suggest bigger than Mordheim.
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/06 21:54:01
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World?? Square bases+AOS?? What is this madnes!? - Rumour/Theory thread
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Smellingsalts wrote:GW need to do a mea culpa for all of the fans they pissed off by blowing up the old world. An alternate timeline where that didn't happen would be a good place to start
Alternate timeline?! This is not a DC Multiverse.
But GW needs to apologize, that's a given. A nice way to start would be to tear down golden boy in front of Nottingham HQ and replace it with a humble Empire peasant brandishing pitchfork and torch.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/06 21:59:35
Subject: Warhammer The Old World?? Square bases+AOS?? What is this madnes!? - Rumour/Theory thread
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:That might be why the name rings a bell. Will need to dig out my Mordheim book (which I totally remembered I’ve not read for like, 10 years) to check the number. Could be an ancestor?
I don't think these names tie into Mordheim. Looking through the Mordheim book, it seems that the three most powerful contenders for the Emperor's throne are Grand Prince Siegfried of Reikland, Lady Magritta of Marienburg, and Count Mannfred Todbringer of Middenheim.
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Also, Mordheim isn't on the map.
I believe that the name The Wasteland on the map places this after 2429. That region was known as the province of Westerland before that year.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/06 22:03:25
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World?? Square bases+AOS?? What is this madnes!? - Rumour/Theory thread
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Strg Alt wrote:Smellingsalts wrote:GW need to do a mea culpa for all of the fans they pissed off by blowing up the old world. An alternate timeline where that didn't happen would be a good place to start
Alternate timeline?! This is not a DC Multiverse.
But GW needs to apologize, that's a given. A nice way to start would be to tear down golden boy in front of Nottingham HQ and replace it with a humble Empire peasant brandishing pitchfork and torch.
They have several already - Bloodbowl being one and Total War another
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/06 22:25:44
Subject: Warhammer The Old World?? Square bases+AOS?? What is this madnes!? - Rumour/Theory thread
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Yeah, was wrong on the names. Not even the same three as The Three Emperors. Wonder where this is going. Possibly a World That Was that found a different fate, and these are the competitors for a fallen Franz’s throne? That could be cool. That timeline already exists in WHFRP 1st by the end of The Enemy Within campaign. Automatically Appended Next Post: Mr Morden wrote: Strg Alt wrote:Smellingsalts wrote:GW need to do a mea culpa for all of the fans they pissed off by blowing up the old world. An alternate timeline where that didn't happen would be a good place to start Alternate timeline?! This is not a DC Multiverse. But GW needs to apologize, that's a given. A nice way to start would be to tear down golden boy in front of Nottingham HQ and replace it with a humble Empire peasant brandishing pitchfork and torch. They have several already - Bloodbowl being one and Total War another Others include The Enemy Within and the original series of books Tamurkhan was meant to be the first of.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/06 22:57:16
Subject: Warhammer The Old World?? Square bases+AOS?? What is this madnes!? - Rumour/Theory thread
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:I suspect we need to look at adeptus titanicus as the model for this,
begin with identical forces (maybe a little variation with a home troop for each emperor) and see how it sells before expanding to anything else
I think Epic Armageddon or the revamp of Aeronautica. Slow release of armies, based on campaigns - that setup clearly still has some fans back in Nottingham, and this game is not as reliant on entirely new miniatures ranges as Titanicus and AI 2nd ed are, with their change in scale.
First set will be Greenskins vs Empire, no way they'd do just Empire vs Empire (though the setting allows that, plus the obvious Orcs vs Orcs).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/06 22:58:34
Subject: Warhammer The Old World?? Square bases+AOS?? What is this madnes!? - Rumour/Theory thread
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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I really, really hope it's not any kind of "alt future". No longer having to deal with people insisting on advancing the timeline is pretty much the sole redeeming feature of the End Times.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/06 23:00:30
Subject: Warhammer The Old World?? Square bases+AOS?? What is this madnes!? - Rumour/Theory thread
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Yodhrin wrote:I really, really hope it's not any kind of "alt future". No longer having to deal with people insisting on advancing the timeline is pretty much the sole redeeming feature of the End Times.
It 100% isn't, unless they bring back destroyed provinces and famous leaders from history to star in an alt-future.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/06 23:04:53
Subject: Warhammer The Old World?? Square bases+AOS?? What is this madnes!? - Rumour/Theory thread
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Ok im intrigued. Like others have said, as expected from HH comparison, this semes to be a "history" angle.
Certainly possible to have other races in there as mercenaries or allies...Interestingly enough HE for example would be far more elite heavy cav force as the general standing citizen militia was not a thing until after the war of the beard as far as I recall. Unless my lore fu is totally off.
Ive updated The title and added a ling in the OP.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/07 03:02:15
Subject: Warhammer The Old World?? Square bases+AOS?? What is this madnes!? - Rumour/Theory thread
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Argive wrote:Ok im intrigued. Like others have said, as expected from HH comparison, this semes to be a "history" angle.
Certainly possible to have other races in there as mercenaries or allies...Interestingly enough HE for example would be far more elite heavy cav force as the general standing citizen militia was not a thing until after the war of the beard as far as I recall. Unless my lore fu is totally off.
Ive updated The title and added a ling in the OP.
Sure would be nice for the title to just be Warhammer The Old World News and Rumours, as that’s what it is.
Rather than this Square Base, Madness etc just padding out the title as it’s irrelevant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/07 03:26:36
Subject: Warhammer The Old World - Square bases!? What is this madnes!? - Latest news 06/02/20 - Map
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But.. that's .. like.. boring bruh..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/07 04:49:53
Subject: Warhammer The Old World?? Square bases+AOS?? What is this madnes!? - Rumour/Theory thread
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auticus wrote:The map is indeed beautiful. This leads me to believe this is a historical game, which falls in line with Horus Heresy comparisons that we have been given.
Which also means you aren't getting all your races fellas. It'll be limited to whoever matters in this timeframe.
But timeline can be expanded later. Start with x, do war of the beard, then another etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/07 10:32:19
Subject: Warhammer The Old World?? Square bases+AOS?? What is this madnes!? - Rumour/Theory thread
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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Tastyfish wrote: Yodhrin wrote:I really, really hope it's not any kind of "alt future". No longer having to deal with people insisting on advancing the timeline is pretty much the sole redeeming feature of the End Times.
It 100% isn't, unless they bring back destroyed provinces and famous leaders from history to star in an alt-future.
Hmm. So now I just have to really, really hope it's not an "alt history" either  Someone on FB spotted that the map conspicuously marks out the former province of Solland, which combined with the names of the Emperors not being the exact same as the Mordheim-era circa 1999IC people originally assumed, means it should be prior to 1707IC(when Solland was destroyed by Waaagh! Gorbad). That said, they also label the territory surrounding Marienburg as being The Wasteland, which it only became after Marienburg's secession from the Empire which was in *checks* 2429IC, plus there's no indication prior to this map that there were previous claimants to the Imperial throne during the Three Emperors era named Magritta, so either there's a few wee mistakes and soft retcons going on, or they're not going as far back from the End Times as people suspect and they're just going to insert an entirely new period of conflict in a few years before Karl Franz.
Honestly I can see I'm going to find this whole process very frustrating. I can deal with GW being teases for a period of years when it comes to Sisters, that was a new model range and there was no reason to expect it would be any worse in terms of quality than their other recent plastics, but with this? GW treated WHF like an unwanted trash baby, there's nowhere near as much trust there and years of little teeny-weeny "lore snippets" that don't really confirm anything specific will be a proper slog. A proper and definitive summary of what they intend and when they intend to set it really needs to be forthcoming before I'll feel any lasting anticipation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/07 10:42:36
Subject: Warhammer The Old World - News & Rumours
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They're probably copying the map from Total Warhammer.
In that game you had both Solland and The Wasteland during the reign of Karl Franz.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/07 13:52:02
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World - News & Rumours
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/07 14:32:25
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World - News & Rumours
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The big problem now is if you google Warhammer stuff all you get is Total War chat
Do you think they will put the province of Neuland in there? I remember the elector ended up leading a merc army to defeat against some Skaven in a Tilean swamp in the end!
Really need to pick myself up that uniforms and heraldry of the empire book they released.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/07 14:38:27
Subject: Warhammer The Old World - News & Rumours
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God, looking at these maps and listening to the audiobooks online is making me miss Fantasy more and more. :(
It's the lore that really piques my interest in a setting. AOS has great models and it's honestly something I should really be into. Back in the Fantasy era, I always wanted to make whole armies around specific units, like Savage orcs or White Lions, and AoS made that possible. But it's something that still hasn't intrigued me the same way Fantasy used to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/07 14:49:42
Subject: Warhammer The Old World?? Square bases+AOS?? What is this madnes!? - Rumour/Theory thread
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Yodhrin wrote: Tastyfish wrote: Yodhrin wrote:I really, really hope it's not any kind of "alt future". No longer having to deal with people insisting on advancing the timeline is pretty much the sole redeeming feature of the End Times.
It 100% isn't, unless they bring back destroyed provinces and famous leaders from history to star in an alt-future.
Honestly I can see I'm going to find this whole process very frustrating. I can deal with GW being teases for a period of years when it comes to Sisters, that was a new model range and there was no reason to expect it would be any worse in terms of quality than their other recent plastics, but with this? GW treated WHF like an unwanted trash baby, there's nowhere near as much trust there and years of little teeny-weeny "lore snippets" that don't really confirm anything specific will be a proper slog. A proper and definitive summary of what they intend and when they intend to set it really needs to be forthcoming before I'll feel any lasting anticipation. Tbh I'm surprised we already have more news only three months or so since the original announcement, thought there would be radio silence until Warhammer Fest at least. If anything this points to a semi-regular flow of information over the coming months, wouldn't be surprised to see a major dump of information at Warhammer Fest. One thing people haven't picked up on yet is the obvious Game of Thrones influence here. GOT has been one of the biggest cultural events of the last decade and is based around political infighting amongst a number of sub-kingdoms under a failing 'Emperor' style position with a dash of fantasy. Now GW seems to be picking a period when the Warhammer Empire is in exactly the same position? I'm not sure that it's purely a coincidence, might be an attempt to interest fans of that IP who are already well positioned to like WHFB, especially given the multi-media approach that GW takes with it's IPs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/07 15:07:21
Subject: Warhammer The Old World - News & Rumours
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Meh I don't know. I'm still banking on Mordheim being the release as a big box set and a bunch of 10 man warbands boxes seems easier then slow rolling a bunch of armies. Timeline is ultimately irrelevant to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/07 20:28:57
Subject: Warhammer The Old World - News & Rumours
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Commodus Leitdorf wrote:Meh I don't know. I'm still banking on Mordheim being the release as a big box set and a bunch of 10 man warbands boxes seems easier then slow rolling a bunch of armies. Timeline is ultimately irrelevant to me.
Then I’m sure it would be called “ Mordheim” yeah? Not “Warhammer: The Old World”.
Also, very interesting that, apart from the lands of the empire, the lands of the Norse are the most detailed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/07 20:48:56
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World - News & Rumours
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If you zoom into the logo they posted for the first announcement, it shows siege engines, a dragon, a giant and I guess a Bloodthirster (also, a orky banner pole) - I'd say this very much looks like mass battles and not skirmish ...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/08 11:22:20
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World - News & Rumours
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This isn't Mordheim by a different name. This is Warhammer. And likely to be some kind of "historical" type game where battles from either a range of historical eras of Warhammer are detailed, or one era in particular, in the same way that the last version of Epic concentrated on the War for Armageddon.
However, that makes some kind of Mordheim revival slightly more likely.
As for GW apologising over AoS... haha, keep trying chaps. GW aren't going to apologise for moving to AoS, ever. Warhammer is being brought back as a specialist games-style niche format, not as a main line (to begin with, at the very least). And regardless of how successful it is, as with Blood Bowl, Necromunda, etc, it will still never overtake AoS as a main line. That's literally the entire problem GW had with Fantasy Battles. It isn't something that has magically cured with being off the market for a few years. The interest isn't there. Bringing it back as an arms-length niche line is a shrewd move, however.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/08 14:09:55
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World - News & Rumours
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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ekwatts wrote:This isn't Mordheim by a different name. This is Warhammer. And likely to be some kind of "historical" type game where battles from either a range of historical eras of Warhammer are detailed, or one era in particular, in the same way that the last version of Epic concentrated on the War for Armageddon.
However, that makes some kind of Mordheim revival slightly more likely.
As for GW apologising over AoS... haha, keep trying chaps. GW aren't going to apologise for moving to AoS, ever. Warhammer is being brought back as a specialist games-style niche format, not as a main line (to begin with, at the very least). And regardless of how successful it is, as with Blood Bowl, Necromunda, etc, it will still never overtake AoS as a main line. That's literally the entire problem GW had with Fantasy Battles. It isn't something that has magically cured with being off the market for a few years. The interest isn't there. Bringing it back as an arms-length niche line is a shrewd move, however.
The "interest" was fine for decades, until GW got greedy and careless. The idea that WHFB couldn't recover to it's former heights with the right support and approach or that AoS couldn't suffer the same fall given the same management bungling is just nonsense. I'm not arguing GW will do either, but this tired meme that WHFB was just suddenly unwanted and unprofitable for Reasons needs to go away.
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I need to acquire plastic Skavenslaves, can you help?
I have a blog now, evidently. Featuring the Alternative Mordheim Model Megalist.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/08 14:55:03
Subject: Warhammer The Old World - News & Rumours
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If anything, the overwhelming success of TW:W and the fact developers only want to do Old World games puts paid to the myth that the interest in WHFB wasn't there. As Yodhrin says, the issue was mismanagement and barrier of entry.
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Subject: Warhammer The Old World - News & Rumours
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Platuan4th wrote:If anything, the overwhelming success of TW:W and the fact developers only want to do Old World games puts paid to the myth that the interest in WHFB wasn't there.
We've seen a handful of mobile games set in the Mortal Realms, and the Warhammer: Underworlds game just hit early access, so clearly some developers are interested in the Mortal Realms. The Age of Sigmar license is separate from the WHFB license, and GW seems to be more strict on selling the license for the former.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/08 15:23:33
Subject: Warhammer The Old World - News & Rumours
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Platuan4th wrote:If anything, the overwhelming success of TW:W and the fact developers only want to do Old World games puts paid to the myth that the interest in WHFB wasn't there. As Yodhrin says, the issue was mismanagement and barrier of entry.
I do also think barrier of entry was a huge problem, but with forgeworld handling the project? That's not going to go away I think it's going to be worse.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/02/08 15:34:17
Subject: Warhammer The Old World - News & Rumours
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Platuan4th wrote:If anything, the overwhelming success of TW:W and the fact developers only want to do Old World games puts paid to the myth that the interest in WHFB wasn't there. As Yodhrin says, the issue was mismanagement and barrier of entry.
The setting and the tabletop game are two separate things. The setting is fine,the game itself was an archaic dinosaur even in the early 2000s, and none of the iterations helped (I'd argue they each deteriorated, but that's my personal POV). I have nostalgia for the old world, I did enjoy the setting, but I quit the game somewhere around 2006 and 08, because compared to new offerings on the market, it was offering a shallow tactical experience combined with convoluted rules that were designed to mask that shallowness. Early '00s is also when the age of skirmish games really began, and where GW ceased to be the only game in town thanks to internet.
Point is, whfb was a victim of GW but also of circumstances, and to put all the blame on GW would be unfair- they'd have to redesign the game to make it profitable, and that'd have backlash probably only a little lesser than when they introduced AoS.
That's not going to go away I think it's going to be worse.
Because it's meant to be a way to get cash from TW:W secondaries that want to have merch of their favorite video game characters like Malekith or Karl Franz, and to tap into the veteran nostalgia. Nothing shown so far suggests it's supposed to be the grand relaunch of WHFB in it's glory days.
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Subject: Warhammer The Old World - News & Rumours
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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shinros wrote: Platuan4th wrote:If anything, the overwhelming success of TW:W and the fact developers only want to do Old World games puts paid to the myth that the interest in WHFB wasn't there. As Yodhrin says, the issue was mismanagement and barrier of entry.
I do also think barrier of entry was a huge problem, but with forgeworld handling the project? That's not going to go away I think it's going to be worse.
Yes and no.
Lets not forget the market GW is going for is going to be niche, their general market game for fantasy is AoS.
Furthermore its likely forgeworld like Necromunda is Forgeworld - which means typical GW prices and plastic casting. I can't imagine that GW nor FW would want to even attempt to do a rank and file game in resin, esp with their worldwide distribution system.
Old World had multiple problems all at once. Lets not forget that the financial barrier to entry didn't go away during the End Times and yet attention and sales picked up a fair bit over that time period. Furthermore a big barrier was the lack of proper marketing and game support for smaller games. AoS and 40K now both have small skirmish games; 1K variations and 2K standard games. All marketed and given attention by GW
The mulitple issues Old World had happening all at once and for a prolonged period all contributed to a decline in popularity and sales. Each of the problems on its own wasn't a game breaker, it was having them all together. Much like who Privateer Press has his rocky ground - again they've suffered a series of problems all happening around the same time and persisting.
Old World being killed off and the launch of AoS was a disaster of marketing and product and community management born of a management system that had isolated itself too much from their own actual market and was, I think, attempting to follow Apple and other big companies footsteps. So whilst here was some theory in there, it was also so disconnected from actual market interaction and research that basically it failed. Heck AoS at launch wasn't a bad product, it was just the wrong product at the wrong time and badly marketed; all rebounding off the badly handled end of a previous game with a 30 year legacy behind it in a market which has typically got very loyal very long term customers.
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