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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:04:21
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Knight of the Inner Circle
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:So Kislev is fighting Khorne, and Cathay is fighting Tzeentch.
Who's fighting Nurgle and Slaanesh I wonder?
Also Cathay gets Earth Benders. This is funny to me.
Ogre Kingsdoms vs Nurgle
Chaos Dwarfs vs Slaanesh
Thats what I think will happen at any rate. Seems to be the theme they are going for.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:06:12
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Gallahad wrote:
Thw Old World Aesthetic as I experienced it was gritty and realistic. Not super clean techno vibrant cities with flying boats.
Depends which era you played.
Look at this :
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So gritty and realistic !
Or this :
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No flying boats, indeed !
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:06:54
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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I always wondered if it is a good idea to use balloons in a fantasy world where flying demons with large claws can easily poke them, but they never do
If we are getting all the kislev, cathay and more stuff, this is definitely going to need a lot of support to produce them minis!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:08:35
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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There is a reason why it was first called Warhammer Fantasy Battle .
Sadly, we don't have a real confirmation Cathay is intended to have miniatures in the Old World project so far.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:12:49
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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Sarouan wrote:There is a reason why it was first called Warhammer Fantasy Battle .
Sadly, we don't have a real confirmation Cathay is intended to have miniatures in the Old World project so far.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/09/14/watch-grand-cathay-come-to-life-in-an-epic-collaboration-for-total-war-warhammer-iii/
When it came time to design them for the next instalment in the blockbuster Total War: Warhammer series, the Warhammer Studio team leapt at the chance to bring Cathay into the fold. Andy Hoare, the emperor of all things Old World, has more.
This iteration of Grand Cathay is a Warhammer Studio creation through and through. Everything from preliminary concept sketches and special character design to how the army performs on the battlefield was established by the same teams working on the wider Warhammer settings.
In fact, the Warhammer Studio went so far as to establish each and every unit for use on the tabletop, including stats and special abilities.** These numbers were then expertly translated and transposed by the technomancers at Creative Assembly, who deftly wove them into a rich campaign in this never-before-seen part of the Warhammer world.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:13:37
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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Are we really, really, gonna do the whole ‘high fantasy/low fantasy’ thing every time we see literally anything related to the Old World?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:14:03
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Gallahad wrote: CMLR wrote: Gallahad wrote:My word, those look terrible. Generic east Asian fantasy right at home in World of Warcraft.
Absolutely nothing of the aesthetics of the Old World in my opinion.
Why does everything have to be so generic these days? It just seems like all artists are clones of each other.
Hope the AOS crowd enjoys this at least with flying ships and giant golems, etc. This army would easily be at home in Age of Sigmar.
Wouldn't be surprised to not see you reply as this is a post that looks just like those people that enjoy to contradict people and go away with no efford, but anyway.
Generic east asian? Because Brettonia, Empire, Vampire Counts, High Elves, Tomb Kings, Norsca and Lizardmen are not copypast from France, England, Germany, Egypt, Nordic/Celtic and Mayincatec archetypes/stereotypes, right? Right?
Calling WoW generic when arguably it spearheaded some of the most anti-stereotypical motfis and themes for mainstream media? like reedeming and entire race of evil orcs and making an entire faction of monsters not the actual bad guys of the game?
Also, Thunderbarge? What about Black Arcs? Sure, those don't fly, but they are mobile, floating cities in a boat, and you know what else floats, but in the air? a giant pyramid. Oh, and there are giants too, and BONE giants, which are not that different from golems, not to mention rock constructs pulled together by big Waaagh! energy.
Whiners gone whine.
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Thw Old World Aesthetic as I experienced it was gritty and realistic. Not super clean techno vibrant cities with flying boats. The color palette should be muted and there should be dirt and flies, etc. I'm totally ok with Cathay being inspired by historical east Asia with some light fantasy, but it should be grounded in reality. I would have thought the East Asia stuff would be Nippon, with Cathay being much more Indian/Arabic in influence but whatever.
Are you aware Japan (Nippon) and China (Cathay) are diffrent countries, with thousand of years of distinct history and culture to each other, most of which were filled with hating each other? Lumping them both togather in a generic East Asian faction would look kinda dumb and off, like if Bretonnia and the Empire were folded into one generic "Western European" faction.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:15:45
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Galas wrote:Sarouan wrote:There is a reason why it was first called Warhammer Fantasy Battle .
Sadly, we don't have a real confirmation Cathay is intended to have miniatures in the Old World project so far.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/09/14/watch-grand-cathay-come-to-life-in-an-epic-collaboration-for-total-war-warhammer-iii/
When it came time to design them for the next instalment in the blockbuster Total War: Warhammer series, the Warhammer Studio team leapt at the chance to bring Cathay into the fold. Andy Hoare, the emperor of all things Old World, has more.
This iteration of Grand Cathay is a Warhammer Studio creation through and through. Everything from preliminary concept sketches and special character design to how the army performs on the battlefield was established by the same teams working on the wider Warhammer settings.
In fact, the Warhammer Studio went so far as to establish each and every unit for use on the tabletop, including stats and special abilities.** These numbers were then expertly translated and transposed by the technomancers at Creative Assembly, who deftly wove them into a rich campaign in this never-before-seen part of the Warhammer world.
Yes, and they didn't confirm they would be meant as miniatures so far.
"They went so far as to establish each and every unit for use on the tabletop" is actually saying something ; if they were intended to be miniatures for the game, then why mentionning they went "so far" to do so ? That's pretty much the first thing GW does when making miniatures, actually. Sounds more like to me they were meant for Total War Warhammer 3 and they made rules for 8th edition so that they can capture "the best feeling" as to translate them into the video game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:15:47
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
Scotland, but nowhere near my rulebook
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Galas wrote:Sarouan wrote:There is a reason why it was first called Warhammer Fantasy Battle .
Sadly, we don't have a real confirmation Cathay is intended to have miniatures in the Old World project so far.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/09/14/watch-grand-cathay-come-to-life-in-an-epic-collaboration-for-total-war-warhammer-iii/
When it came time to design them for the next instalment in the blockbuster Total War: Warhammer series, the Warhammer Studio team leapt at the chance to bring Cathay into the fold. Andy Hoare, the emperor of all things Old World, has more.
This iteration of Grand Cathay is a Warhammer Studio creation through and through. Everything from preliminary concept sketches and special character design to how the army performs on the battlefield was established by the same teams working on the wider Warhammer settings.
In fact, the Warhammer Studio went so far as to establish each and every unit for use on the tabletop, including stats and special abilities.** These numbers were then expertly translated and transposed by the technomancers at Creative Assembly, who deftly wove them into a rich campaign in this never-before-seen part of the Warhammer world.
** In eighth edition
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:16:04
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Knight of the Inner Circle
Montreal, QC Canada
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Some people cannot grasp that both High Fantasy and Low Fantasy can exist in the same setting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:17:51
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Gallahad wrote: CMLR wrote: Gallahad wrote:My word, those look terrible. Generic east Asian fantasy right at home in World of Warcraft.
Absolutely nothing of the aesthetics of the Old World in my opinion.
Why does everything have to be so generic these days? It just seems like all artists are clones of each other.
Hope the AOS crowd enjoys this at least with flying ships and giant golems, etc. This army would easily be at home in Age of Sigmar.
Wouldn't be surprised to not see you reply as this is a post that looks just like those people that enjoy to contradict people and go away with no efford, but anyway.
Generic east asian? Because Brettonia, Empire, Vampire Counts, High Elves, Tomb Kings, Norsca and Lizardmen are not copypast from France, England, Germany, Egypt, Nordic/Celtic and Mayincatec archetypes/stereotypes, right? Right?
Calling WoW generic when arguably it spearheaded some of the most anti-stereotypical motfis and themes for mainstream media? like reedeming and entire race of evil orcs and making an entire faction of monsters not the actual bad guys of the game?
Also, Thunderbarge? What about Black Arcs? Sure, those don't fly, but they are mobile, floating cities in a boat, and you know what else floats, but in the air? a giant pyramid. Oh, and there are giants too, and BONE giants, which are not that different from golems, not to mention rock constructs pulled together by big Waaagh! energy.
Whiners gone whine.
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Thw Old World Aesthetic as I experienced it was gritty and realistic. Not super clean techno vibrant cities with flying boats. The color palette should be muted and there should be dirt and flies, etc. I'm totally ok with Cathay being inspired by historical east Asia with some light fantasy, but it should be grounded in reality. I would have thought the East Asia stuff would be Nippon, with Cathay being much more Indian/Arabic in influence but whatever.
Are you aware Japan (Nippon) and China (Cathay) are diffrent countries, with thousand of years of distinct history and culture to each other, most of which were filled with hating each other? Lumping them both togather in a generic East Asian faction would look kinda dumb and off, like if Bretonnia and the Empire were folded into one generic "Western European" faction.
I mean, GW mixed Poland and Russia in Kislev and is not like those two countries don't have their own... history for say the least  But you are right, how can one claim the moral high horse about whats proper WHFB and say that cathay should be arabic or indian when you have... Araby and the Kingdom of Indi.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:18:40
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Preparing the Invasion of Terra
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Internet: Grrr. AoS bad, bring back the Old World!
GW: OK. *brings back the Old World*
Internet: No not like that!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:18:57
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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H.B.M.C. wrote: kodos wrote:Cathy is in Total War, nothing new here as this was already known
Nothing new here? They just gave the biggest reveal and mass information about Cathay that has ever been in Warhammer.
Yeah, but he’s talking about Cathy, not Cathay. Huge difference. Cathy has been in WHTW since the “Ugh, Coffee” expansion and highlighted throughout the “Ack, Need Cute Shoes” saga event.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:19:30
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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More like they can't accept their view on Warhammer Battle isn't the only official one, as usual. Man, do I remember these guys always talking about low fantasy RPG being the ONLY iteration of Warhammer universe ever when it was actually the high fantasy one that was at its origins.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:23:03
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Commodus Leitdorf wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote:So Kislev is fighting Khorne, and Cathay is fighting Tzeentch.
Who's fighting Nurgle and Slaanesh I wonder?
Also Cathay gets Earth Benders. This is funny to me.
Ogre Kingsdoms vs Nurgle
Chaos Dwarfs vs Slaanesh
Thats what I think will happen at any rate. Seems to be the theme they are going for.
I'm actually speculating something else.
The next trailer will be a fight between Nurgle and Slaanesh, with the focus of the trailer being the Realm of Chaos.
Finally, we will get a trailer with the Undivided Daemon army, focused on showing us the Campaign map.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:26:55
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Germany
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Galas wrote: Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Gallahad wrote: CMLR wrote: Gallahad wrote:My word, those look terrible. Generic east Asian fantasy right at home in World of Warcraft.
Absolutely nothing of the aesthetics of the Old World in my opinion.
Why does everything have to be so generic these days? It just seems like all artists are clones of each other.
Hope the AOS crowd enjoys this at least with flying ships and giant golems, etc. This army would easily be at home in Age of Sigmar.
Wouldn't be surprised to not see you reply as this is a post that looks just like those people that enjoy to contradict people and go away with no efford, but anyway.
Generic east asian? Because Brettonia, Empire, Vampire Counts, High Elves, Tomb Kings, Norsca and Lizardmen are not copypast from France, England, Germany, Egypt, Nordic/Celtic and Mayincatec archetypes/stereotypes, right? Right?
Calling WoW generic when arguably it spearheaded some of the most anti-stereotypical motfis and themes for mainstream media? like reedeming and entire race of evil orcs and making an entire faction of monsters not the actual bad guys of the game?
Also, Thunderbarge? What about Black Arcs? Sure, those don't fly, but they are mobile, floating cities in a boat, and you know what else floats, but in the air? a giant pyramid. Oh, and there are giants too, and BONE giants, which are not that different from golems, not to mention rock constructs pulled together by big Waaagh! energy.
Whiners gone whine.
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Thw Old World Aesthetic as I experienced it was gritty and realistic. Not super clean techno vibrant cities with flying boats. The color palette should be muted and there should be dirt and flies, etc. I'm totally ok with Cathay being inspired by historical east Asia with some light fantasy, but it should be grounded in reality. I would have thought the East Asia stuff would be Nippon, with Cathay being much more Indian/Arabic in influence but whatever.
Are you aware Japan (Nippon) and China (Cathay) are diffrent countries, with thousand of years of distinct history and culture to each other, most of which were filled with hating each other? Lumping them both togather in a generic East Asian faction would look kinda dumb and off, like if Bretonnia and the Empire were folded into one generic "Western European" faction.
I mean, GW mixed Poland and Russia in Kislev and is not like those two countries don't have their own... history for say the least
But to be fair, the only Polish thing about Kislev is their various Not-Hussars.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:32:30
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The Cathay roster seems rather dragon free. That's a pleasant surprise.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:33:56
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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I am happy and impressed.
I mean it's unlikely I'll get either the video game or the minis (well maybe some minis) but I am impressed.
My one worry is if GW can restrain their worst instincts. For example do they have actual Chinese speakers working on the project and making sure the names actually make sense and aren't just Chinesey word mushs, or even worse, terrible puns.
I think the only name we got was Nan Gao ("southern heights" if I'm not mistaken) a perfectly cromulant Chinese name, though an odd one for the Northern Province.
Yeah, yeah this is fantasy Cathay, not China but it does matter.
Using Precolumbion Americans as inspiration for the Lizardmen was cool. Till they started naming folks Grimlock and Tick Tack Toe...
Let's just hope GW can resist their more... immature instincts with this expansion. Cause reading about General Egg Fu Yong just ain't even funny.
And I can already hear the CCP's screed about insulting a billion Chinese...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:34:19
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Gallahad wrote: CMLR wrote: Gallahad wrote:My word, those look terrible. Generic east Asian fantasy right at home in World of Warcraft.
Absolutely nothing of the aesthetics of the Old World in my opinion.
Why does everything have to be so generic these days? It just seems like all artists are clones of each other.
Hope the AOS crowd enjoys this at least with flying ships and giant golems, etc. This army would easily be at home in Age of Sigmar.
Wouldn't be surprised to not see you reply as this is a post that looks just like those people that enjoy to contradict people and go away with no efford, but anyway.
Generic east asian? Because Brettonia, Empire, Vampire Counts, High Elves, Tomb Kings, Norsca and Lizardmen are not copypast from France, England, Germany, Egypt, Nordic/Celtic and Mayincatec archetypes/stereotypes, right? Right?
Calling WoW generic when arguably it spearheaded some of the most anti-stereotypical motfis and themes for mainstream media? like reedeming and entire race of evil orcs and making an entire faction of monsters not the actual bad guys of the game?
Also, Thunderbarge? What about Black Arcs? Sure, those don't fly, but they are mobile, floating cities in a boat, and you know what else floats, but in the air? a giant pyramid. Oh, and there are giants too, and BONE giants, which are not that different from golems, not to mention rock constructs pulled together by big Waaagh! energy.
Whiners gone whine.
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Thw Old World Aesthetic as I experienced it was gritty and realistic. Not super clean techno vibrant cities with flying boats. The color palette should be muted and there should be dirt and flies, etc. I'm totally ok with Cathay being inspired by historical east Asia with some light fantasy, but it should be grounded in reality. I would have thought the East Asia stuff would be Nippon, with Cathay being much more Indian/Arabic in influence but whatever.
Yes, WoW was genre defying when it came out 15+ years ago. Today nearly all fantasy properties ape the clean, sky is the limit, no real bad guys thing (they are just misunderstood! Humans are the real monsters!).
It is boring and generic because it has been done a thousand times now.
If you took these designs and told me "this is from a Chinese MMO by a small time studio" I would totally believe you.
Cite all the rare units or things that only appeared in the lore/artwork from WHFB that you want. You will never convince me that the game at its zenith in 6th edition wasn't about ranks of soldiers (of various races) killing each other with steel. Yes there were some high fantasy elements on the battlefield and I loved them. I like a little mustard on my sandwiches too. But you can't give me a bowl of mustard with bits of bread and cheese inside and tell me it is a sandwich.
You mean the game with undead mummies with giant living constructs.
Or the game with lizard people.
Or the game with........rat men with mad science.
Or what about a game with literal demons. If you want a game with low fantasy, the boat left a long time ago.
I hear ASOIAF is good and low fantasy, you can try that
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:36:16
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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So there's a strong possibility of 4 seperate human factions on launch or close to it? Kinda eh honestly
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:36:23
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Germany
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Gallahad wrote: CMLR wrote: Gallahad wrote:My word, those look terrible. Generic east Asian fantasy right at home in World of Warcraft.
Absolutely nothing of the aesthetics of the Old World in my opinion.
Why does everything have to be so generic these days? It just seems like all artists are clones of each other.
Hope the AOS crowd enjoys this at least with flying ships and giant golems, etc. This army would easily be at home in Age of Sigmar.
Wouldn't be surprised to not see you reply as this is a post that looks just like those people that enjoy to contradict people and go away with no efford, but anyway.
Generic east asian? Because Brettonia, Empire, Vampire Counts, High Elves, Tomb Kings, Norsca and Lizardmen are not copypast from France, England, Germany, Egypt, Nordic/Celtic and Mayincatec archetypes/stereotypes, right? Right?
Calling WoW generic when arguably it spearheaded some of the most anti-stereotypical motfis and themes for mainstream media? like reedeming and entire race of evil orcs and making an entire faction of monsters not the actual bad guys of the game?
Also, Thunderbarge? What about Black Arcs? Sure, those don't fly, but they are mobile, floating cities in a boat, and you know what else floats, but in the air? a giant pyramid. Oh, and there are giants too, and BONE giants, which are not that different from golems, not to mention rock constructs pulled together by big Waaagh! energy.
Whiners gone whine.
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Thw Old World Aesthetic as I experienced it was gritty and realistic. Not super clean techno vibrant cities with flying boats. The color palette should be muted and there should be dirt and flies, etc. I'm totally ok with Cathay being inspired by historical east Asia with some light fantasy, but it should be grounded in reality. I would have thought the East Asia stuff would be Nippon, with Cathay being much more Indian/Arabic in influence but whatever.
Yes, WoW was genre defying when it came out 15+ years ago. Today nearly all fantasy properties ape the clean, sky is the limit, no real bad guys thing (they are just misunderstood! Humans are the real monsters!).
It is boring and generic because it has been done a thousand times now.
If you took these designs and told me "this is from a Chinese MMO by a small time studio" I would totally believe you.
Cite all the rare units or things that only appeared in the lore/artwork from WHFB that you want. You will never convince me that the game at its zenith in 6th edition wasn't about ranks of soldiers (of various races) killing each other with steel. Yes there were some high fantasy elements on the battlefield and I loved them. I like a little mustard on my sandwiches too. But you can't give me a bowl of mustard with bits of bread and cheese inside and tell me it is a sandwich.
You mean the game with undead mummies with giant living constructs.
Or the game with lizard people.
Or the game with........rat men with mad science.
Or what about a game with literal demons. If you want a game with low fantasy, the boat left a long time ago.
I hear ASOIAF is good and low fantasy, you can try that
Too late, they have dragons and magic. I assume their defintion of low fantasy is "poorly-equipped humans stabbing other poorly-equipped humans or mindless monsters in the mud".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:37:14
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Not as Good as a Minion
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:I am happy and impressed.
I mean it's unlikely I'll get either the video game or the minis (well maybe some minis) but I am impressed.
My one worry is if GW can restrain their worst instincts. For example do they have actual Chinese speakers working on the project and making sure the names actually make sense and aren't just Chinesey word mushs, or even worse, terrible puns.
I think the only name we got was Nan Gao ("southern heights" if I'm not mistaken) a perfectly cromulant Chinese name, though an odd one for the Northern Province.
Yeah, yeah this is fantasy Cathay, not China but it does matter.
Using Precolumbion Americans as inspiration for the Lizardmen was cool. Till they started naming folks Grimlock and Tick Tack Toe...
Let's just hope GW can resist their more... immature instincts with this expansion. Cause reading about General Egg Fu Yong just ain't even funny.
And I can already hear the CCP's screed about insulting a billion Chinese...
GW has not done it for any other faction but just used the words that sound cool and "typical" for that language in English
why should they care
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:38:02
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Why can't GW just tell us if they are planning to release all this video game stuff for W:TOW? They suggest they might, when they write about how all the work was done by the same team and brand the images with the W:TOW logo. But they don't tell us anything about the actual game or what the plans for it are.
I know the game is a long way off but why even announce it if they can't talk about it yet? The first announcement was made 22 months ago and so far all we know for sure is that we will be able to use our old models and that they are working on a new map.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:39:02
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Not as Good as a Minion
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Inquisitor Gideon wrote:So there's a strong possibility of 4 seperate human factions on launch or close to it? Kinda eh honestly
For now it is possible that we get 3 Civil War Faction of the Empire for release and nothing more
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:39:38
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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Cathay is probably more old school warhammer than kislev for example.
You have the big centerpiece model, the Terracota Golem. Everyone has one of those so no surprise. And your dragons, but dragons are dragons whatever.
But your cannons are pulled by ox's, you have photos or other units like a giant jade bowl in a wagon pulled by horses. You have flying kyrins but thats isn't different from pegasi. And the flying balloons have 0 magic or advanced technology to them but typical chinese imaginery with gunpowder.
You just need to imagine in your mind all the different units shown in this trailer in your 5th warhammer fantasy miniature style and it looks extremely warhammery to me. I'm picturing the Terracota Golem in a 40mm base with a limping size and with the gun dao over is head with the two arms upwards like some kind of cheerleader and the dragon general done in white metal and 5 parts that DON'T STICK TOGETHER for the life of me that ends up looking like a garden snake full of crack. And 40-50 little chinese soldiers with constipated faces and racistly exaggerated factions. Just as I remember.
Basically this:
Tell me this army doesnt look warhammer, and tell me you cannot picture all the units in this trailer done in that style.
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:46:48
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Otiose in a Niche
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kodos wrote:
GW has not done it for any other faction but just used the words that sound cool and "typical" for that language in English
why should they care
Well first off GW's French and German factions always seemed to me to have a good bit of linguistic and historic verisimilitude (I don't speak either language though) probably because French and German speakers are a bit easier to find in Nottingham.
But their Mesoamerican faction got little more than joke names, like no one even bothered cracking open a book.
And then there's the Chinese Communist Party.
Ug.
The CCP (like Fox News) bases a lot of its credibility on creating outrage. They routinely blacklist celebrities, companies, even whole countries for things like putting Taiwan on a list of countries, visiting the wrong shrine in Japan or not telling their version of history. So I would imagine that, at the very least, this game will get accusations of cultural appropriation, and if GW gives in to more juvenile tendencies, it could get GW and Total War blacklisted in China. And honestly the whole idea gives me a headache just thinking about it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:54:09
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Infiltrating Broodlord
Lake County, Illinois
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I find these designs pretty boring. Maybe they'll be more interesting if/when they are translated to miniatures, but this doesn't look all that exciting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 19:59:14
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Cold-Blooded Saurus Warrior
Xalapa, Veracruz
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I've got to admit, I was wrong. You indeed replied.
I would be honoured to see you replying once again.
Gallahad wrote:
Thw Old World Aesthetic as I experienced it was gritty and realistic. Not super clean techno vibrant cities with flying boats. The color palette should be muted and there should be dirt and flies, etc. I'm totally ok with Cathay being inspired by historical east Asia with some light fantasy, but it should be grounded in reality. I would have thought the East Asia stuff would be Nippon, with Cathay being much more Indian/Arabic in influence but whatever.
Saruoan already showed you flying boats in "gritty and realistic" in a color palette. Do you really need more? If you are as Old School as you claim, you already know that Cathay is China, India is Ind, Arabia is Araby, don't you? Or do you think China = Japan?
Gallahad wrote:Yes, WoW was genre defying when it came out 15+ years ago. Today nearly all fantasy properties ape the clean, sky is the limit, no real bad guys thing (they are just misunderstood! Humans are the real monsters!).
Warcraft III and WoW both never said that humans are the real monsters, which shows me that you never experienced the franchise, putting "WoW" as a derogatory term rather than something on true terms, pretty much like the populous used to gave crap to Twilight despite not having actually reading it or having actual experience with the franchise.
Gallahad wrote:It is boring and generic because it has been done a thousand times now.
If you took these designs and told me "this is from a Chinese MMO by a small time studio" I would totally believe you.
What would happen if Warhammer ever got an MMORPG, if only...
Gallahad wrote:Cite all the rare units or things that only appeared in the lore/artwork from WHFB that you want. You will never convince me that the game at its zenith in 6th edition wasn't about ranks of soldiers (of various races) killing each other with steel.
Quite the conundrum, isn't it?
A bunch of ratpeople armed with large sticks trying to kill heavily armoured, massive, greenskin hoolingans, where the ratpeople is supported with supressing fire of magic stone bullets and literal lighting. Is that is far more realistic that a flying boat which happens to be property of the faction that has achieved mechanized flying?
Gallahad wrote:Yes there were some high fantasy elements on the battlefield and I loved them. I like a little mustard on my sandwiches too. But you can't give me a bowl of mustard with bits of bread and cheese inside and tell me it is a sandwich.
In a world of naked reanimated dead, lizard folk, goatmen, mongolian ogres and ironclad dwarfs?
Taste buds, eyes, maybe even synesthesia and misconceptions in general messing around?
People can choose to die at hills.
But some people failed at geography classes and misclassified where they went and instead go to die at places as flat as a plateau or as concave as a volcano.
Guess where you at.
Sarouan wrote:
More like they can't accept their view on Warhammer Battle isn't the only official one, as usual. Man, do I remember these guys always talking about low fantasy RPG being the ONLY iteration of Warhammer universe ever when it was actually the high fantasy one that was at its origins.
It is both, actually.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 20:15:27
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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I mean. Theres no need to be so aggresive.
Theres clearly a difference between warhammer in 6th and in 8th in the composition of how the armies worked.
Actually, 4-5th were more like 8th than 6th because those were hero hammer and monster hammer editions, the only difference is that GW lacked the technology to make big monsters back then.
But as I said, what they have shown from Cathay looks even more "restrained" than Kislev.
They don't look warhammer? If for you warhammer is the empire and dwarfs thats ok. But theres nothing realistic and gritty about high elves or lizardmen. 0 skulls, 0 mud. They were as shiny and polished as they were.
Because when you make a whole fantasy universe you need THEMES. And when you make a product like warhammer, you don't try to make the whole universe appeal to everybody, because thats futile. Impossible. What you do, is you create a ton of stuff , each one with their own personality, and if you do it right like GW did with their universes, is extrange the people that doesnt find something they really like.
Like in 40k. Not many people will like Black Templars, Orks, Craftwolrds Eldar and Tau. They are very different armies. But they appeal to different groups of people. And is very ... I don't know, to believe that all factions should appeal to my personal tastes.
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 20:24:27
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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Hmm, I'm not a big AoS or fantasy nerd/fan but a human faction being that effective with magic, isn't that usually the realm of elves or the lizard men, death factions in the setting etc?
Anyway, I understand the concept behind the faction, and don't find it lazy as such (it is established in the lore for a long time after all), but I do find the design aesthetic fairly boring... There isn't enough of a twist on the regular faction look to what you may actually expect historically.
The picture from above with the gnarly jagged sword is far more interesting than what looks like fairly conventional historic homage to ancient far eastern troops.
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