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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 20:32:50
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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ImAGeek wrote:Are we really, really, gonna do the whole ‘high fantasy/low fantasy’ thing every time we see literally anything related to the Old World?
Yes, they're certainly going to try. Might I suggest ignoring any weird grievances instead of engaging?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 20:34:30
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Kid_Kyoto wrote: kodos wrote:
GW has not done it for any other faction but just used the words that sound cool and "typical" for that language in English
why should they care
Well first off GW's French and German factions always seemed to me to have a good bit of linguistic and historic verisimilitude (I don't speak either language though) probably because French and German speakers are a bit easier to find in Nottingham.
But their Mesoamerican faction got little more than joke names, like no one even bothered cracking open a book.
And then there's the Chinese Communist Party.
Ug.
The CCP (like Fox News) bases a lot of its credibility on creating outrage. They routinely blacklist celebrities, companies, even whole countries for things like putting Taiwan on a list of countries, visiting the wrong shrine in Japan or not telling their version of history. So I would imagine that, at the very least, this game will get accusations of cultural appropriation, and if GW gives in to more juvenile tendencies, it could get GW and Total War blacklisted in China. And honestly the whole idea gives me a headache just thinking about it.
Being blacklisted in China is a mark of honor at this point.
but also GW is british, when was the last time they were culturally sensitive about far east in general? Frenchies and Germans only got off mildly mauled because they're nearby and Important.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 20:40:24
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Cronch wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote: kodos wrote:
GW has not done it for any other faction but just used the words that sound cool and "typical" for that language in English
why should they care
Well first off GW's French and German factions always seemed to me to have a good bit of linguistic and historic verisimilitude (I don't speak either language though) probably because French and German speakers are a bit easier to find in Nottingham.
But their Mesoamerican faction got little more than joke names, like no one even bothered cracking open a book.
And then there's the Chinese Communist Party.
Ug.
The CCP (like Fox News) bases a lot of its credibility on creating outrage. They routinely blacklist celebrities, companies, even whole countries for things like putting Taiwan on a list of countries, visiting the wrong shrine in Japan or not telling their version of history. So I would imagine that, at the very least, this game will get accusations of cultural appropriation, and if GW gives in to more juvenile tendencies, it could get GW and Total War blacklisted in China. And honestly the whole idea gives me a headache just thinking about it.
Being blacklisted in China is a mark of honor at this point.
but also GW is British, when was the last time they were culturally sensitive about far east in general?
Nowadays pretty much every company wants Chineese money, look at Disney or Actiblizzion. Although, Sega might be the rare outlier because they're...
Well.
Japanese.
And Japan's sole argument for diplomacy in Asia is "We both hate the Mainland China"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 21:38:32
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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endlesswaltz123 wrote:Hmm, I'm not a big AoS or fantasy nerd/fan but a human faction being that effective with magic, isn't that usually the realm of elves or the lizard men, death factions in the setting etc?
Anyway, I understand the concept behind the faction, and don't find it lazy as such (it is established in the lore for a long time after all), but I do find the design aesthetic fairly boring... There isn't enough of a twist on the regular faction look to what you may actually expect historically.
The picture from above with the gnarly jagged sword is far more interesting than what looks like fairly conventional historic homage to ancient far eastern troops.
IIRC, it has something to do with Cathay's relation with Dragons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 23:08:00
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Leaving aside the usual arguments that pop up everytime anything TOW is discussed (looking forwards to 10mm!). I actually rather liked the Cathay content, my only criticism of it is that it doesn't look grimdark enough, a bit too clean, not enough skulls etc.
I'm sure that GW have learned their lesson from 3e Tau and the fluff around Cathay will be suitably grimdark and morally compromised. The fact that we have a human realm being ruled by some ancient non human powers bodes well for that. I can't imagine they're 100% benevolent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/14 23:21:07
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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CthuluIsSpy wrote: endlesswaltz123 wrote:Hmm, I'm not a big AoS or fantasy nerd/fan but a human faction being that effective with magic, isn't that usually the realm of elves or the lizard men, death factions in the setting etc?
Anyway, I understand the concept behind the faction, and don't find it lazy as such (it is established in the lore for a long time after all), but I do find the design aesthetic fairly boring... There isn't enough of a twist on the regular faction look to what you may actually expect historically.
The picture from above with the gnarly jagged sword is far more interesting than what looks like fairly conventional historic homage to ancient far eastern troops.
IIRC, it has something to do with Cathay's relation with Dragons.
The other reason is that they are very far away from the vortex on Ulthuan, and very close to the Wastes, so there’s more magic in the air and it doesn’t get sucked away as fast.
But yeah the mage class probably have some dragon blood in them.
They described the two mage types as astronomers and alchemists, so celestial magic (lightning and prediction) and probably some generic element (remember it’s five elements in China; the one in the video looked like metal to me) chucking and unit buffing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 00:03:54
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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Given that the Dragon Emperor had enough children to make one a governor in every province he and the Moon Empress owned, I would imagine that the grandchildren would be magically blooded as well in some form.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 00:29:31
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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kodos wrote:... but still for Total War: Warhammer, not Warhammer: The Old World.
A distinction without a difference. Who do you think designed the Cathay forces? Them, along with Kislev, are part of TOW's development. Gallahad wrote:I would have thought the East Asia stuff would be Nippon, with Cathay being much more Indian/Arabic in influence but whatever.
Why would you think that? Indian Warhammer is Ind. Arabian/Persian Warhammer is Araby. They're distinct entities quite removed from Fantasy China (Cathay) and Fantasy Japan (Nippon). Gert wrote:Internet: Grrr. AoS bad, bring back the Old World! GW: OK. *brings back the Old World* Internet: No not like that!
I really do hate nonsense comments like this. Kid_Kyoto wrote:Well first off GW's French and German factions always seemed to me to have a good bit of linguistic and historic verisimilitude (I don't speak either language though) probably because French and German speakers are a bit easier to find in Nottingham. But their Mesoamerican faction got little more than joke names, like no one even bothered cracking open a book.
I'm not so convinced that's a bad thing. I mean, what's wrong with fun names and homages? One of their leaders is giant frog called "Kroak". Kroq-Gar rides a giant not-T-Rex, so of course they called that "Grymloq" as a reference to Grimlock the Autobot. Tiktaq'to is a clever use of pseudo-Aztec spelling to take something we know and turn it into a name. If I'm not mistaken they even put in Itzi-Bitzi and Teenie Weenie (not the right spelling) as a reference to this song from 1960. It's fun! Why can't we have fun? To hell with the CCP. ZebioLizard2 wrote:Given that the Dragon Emperor had enough children to make one a governor in every province he and the Moon Empress owned, I would imagine that the grandchildren would be magically blooded as well in some form.
The blog from CA did talk about "dragon-blooded sorcerers", so it's possible.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 01:45:31
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Tiktaq'to is exactly as clever and exactly as offensive as Sum Ting Wong for a "Chinese" name.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 01:59:09
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Rihgu wrote:Tiktaq'to is exactly as clever and exactly as offensive as Sum Ting Wong for a "Chinese" name.
It would seem to me using authentic meso-american names for a race of alien lizard people might in fact not be the most culturally sensitive thing to do either....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 02:04:40
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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They're not real!!! It's fiction, and not some grand statement from GW that they think the ancient Aztecs were akin to "lizard people". Rihgu wrote:Tiktaq'to is exactly as clever and exactly as offensive as Sum Ting Wong for a "Chinese" name.
Why? Who exactly are they offending?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 02:07:54
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Carlovonsexron wrote:Rihgu wrote:Tiktaq'to is exactly as clever and exactly as offensive as Sum Ting Wong for a "Chinese" name.
It would seem to me using authentic meso-american names for a race of alien lizard people might in fact not be the most culturally sensitive thing to do either....
This is true. They should use authentic alien lizard people names.
But seriously, it's possible to pay homage without reducing it to jokes. There could be an Oldblood or Slaan named Moctezuma (although, there shouldn't be, because the 'm' phonetic would be very difficult without lips) and they could be portrayed as a lizard version of the historical figure and that would be fine.
Oxyotl is... fine. Nothing offensive there. The... golden blowpipe... of P'toohee? hm.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 02:18:35
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Rihgu wrote:Carlovonsexron wrote:Rihgu wrote:Tiktaq'to is exactly as clever and exactly as offensive as Sum Ting Wong for a "Chinese" name.
It would seem to me using authentic meso-american names for a race of alien lizard people might in fact not be the most culturally sensitive thing to do either....
This is true. They should use authentic alien lizard people names.
But seriously, it's possible to pay homage without reducing it to jokes. There could be an Oldblood or Slaan named Moctezuma (although, there shouldn't be, because the 'm' phonetic would be very difficult without lips) and they could be portrayed as a lizard version of the historical figure and that would be fine.
Oxyotl is... fine. Nothing offensive there. The... golden blowpipe... of P'toohee? hm.
IDK, all I'm saying is that if your going to have a concept as ridiculous and fun as lizard people you might as well have fun with the names, rather than give somebody some weird sense of... what, normality? by giving your lizard people historical human names.
It seems off to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 02:23:47
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Carlovonsexron wrote:Rihgu wrote:Carlovonsexron wrote:Rihgu wrote:Tiktaq'to is exactly as clever and exactly as offensive as Sum Ting Wong for a "Chinese" name.
It would seem to me using authentic meso-american names for a race of alien lizard people might in fact not be the most culturally sensitive thing to do either....
This is true. They should use authentic alien lizard people names.
But seriously, it's possible to pay homage without reducing it to jokes. There could be an Oldblood or Slaan named Moctezuma (although, there shouldn't be, because the 'm' phonetic would be very difficult without lips) and they could be portrayed as a lizard version of the historical figure and that would be fine.
Oxyotl is... fine. Nothing offensive there. The... golden blowpipe... of P'toohee? hm.
IDK, all I'm saying is that if your going to have a concept as ridiculous and fun as lizard people you might as well have fun with the names, rather than give somebody some weird sense of... what, normality? by giving your lizard people historical human names.
It seems off to me.
I agree with that. It's just they decided to make it bad by doing it half pseudo-real and half jokes.
If we had Teechi-weechi, Tiktaq'to, Kroak, the Golden Blowpipe of P'toohee, and NOT Oxyotl, Chotec, Sotek, etc, it'd be fine. Just weird alien names for weird alien people. But then they went and were like "okay so this half is the normal ones, and they're Meso-American inspired, and they're cool, but also this other half of them is cheeky jokes with completely callous disregard for the cultures and people we're pulling inspiration from".
I understand that when all these ideas were first developing, GW was very, very progressive and portrayed colonizers negatively and natives positively and all that but the "woke" of the 1980s was still... rough. People were still "figuring it out", so to speak. Like most of their poor taste jokes, they can be left in the past.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 02:32:51
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Arn't at least some of the names you pointed out themselves references? Like Sotek is for sure a shout out to Sobek, the ancient Egyptian Crocodile God, so it still having fun - as well as Oxyolt, which seems like a reference to the Axolotl salamander.
Those seem like good spirit references to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 02:36:35
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Yes, that's basically the heart of what I'm saying. There are good spirit references and bad spirit references, and mixing both is perhaps worse than just doing bad spirit references because it shows you know exactly what you're doing.
And the bad spirit references are disconnected enough from real language that you'd at least have plausible deniability.
Tiktaq'to doesn't actually feel/seem Meso-American, and you could pass that off as just a silly alien name if there wasn't actual good spirit references right next to it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 03:00:18
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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I don't think I agree with your supposition enough to get me fully on board.
I very much understand the idea of wanting a greater degree of cultural sensitivity and agree with it.
I'm also not huge on giving a carte blanche to do/say anything based on the "who is it hurting?" question. Because the answer to that is always someone, for some reason (regardless of if it makes sense to anyone else) - so it's a pointless question to ask when the answer is always the same.
But it's also not like anyone can make a blanket determination on these things either, and there's always going to be disagreement on what is or isn't appropriate. It's forever a case by case basis, and I have a hard time seeing the issue with lizardman naming.
The good spirit references are made with reason, and the rest are silly puns made using what a bunch of syllables that some 80's British guys thought were Mesoamerican sounding, but to my knowledge, aren't. (At least not as how most native English speakers would sound saying them. But then I'm not qualified to speak authoritatively about that, either  )
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 03:12:35
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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The more offensive and hilarious the better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 03:20:39
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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It’s not limited to just the lizard men, GW is an equal opportunity offender.
Mag irk thrakka (however he is spelled) was making fun of Margret Thatcher
Vulkan Hest an is Vulkan he’s tan referencing the fact that he is black
Get over being offended for someone else and live your life, or at least stop trying to police others.
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LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 03:21:49
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Make the plastics immediately. Absolute worst case scenario is I don't like the rules for WTOW and have to adapt the army for 6th Ed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 05:08:58
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Theophony wrote:Vulkan Hest an is Vulkan he’s tan referencing the fact that he is black
That's nonsense.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 05:49:02
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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Lizardmen names are bad but this is the game that tells you about the tragic tale of Iron Hand the lord of the Iron Hands and Raven of the Ravenguard.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 06:10:17
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Not as Good as a Minion
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H.B.M.C. wrote: kodos wrote:... but still for Total War: Warhammer, not Warhammer: The Old World.
A distinction without a difference.
Who do you think designed the Cathay forces? Them, along with Kislev, are part of TOW's development.
they are, but going by the assumption that those 2 are now the starter faction or being among the first new releases means the game is ~3-4 years away
so you can call me excited in 2-3 years when the release is there and not were we are in a stage were everything can still be stopped and put on a shelf because someone thinks the resources are better off with another project
yet if the game is just 1-2 years away, no need to be excited about Cathay or Kislev as those won't be in the first waves of the release and are subject of change
same as assuming that everything we see on the trailer will be there as models too, maybe but just because there is an artwork does not mean it is a first wave release or released at all
we knew that Cathay was coming to TW, we knew what will be there for the most part (as the basic layout of the army was already in the background) and the new things are the different kinds of smaller dragons and the stronger magic
until I am not seeing any previews of models or rules, no hype based on " GW cannot be that stupid of not releasing this"
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yeah, because his name is "Vulkan Has Tan" not "Vulkan He is Tan"
and yes, GW's classic name scheme is that simple, as by the time those names came up they took the whole thing less serious and more satirical
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 06:57:50
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Preparing the Invasion of Terra
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Theophony wrote:It’s not limited to just the lizard men, GW is an equal opportunity offender.
Mag irk thrakka (however he is spelled) was making fun of Margret Thatcher
Vulkan Hest an is Vulkan he’s tan referencing the fact that he is black
Get over being offended for someone else and live your life, or at least stop trying to police others.
Both of those aren't true.
Ghaz's name isn't a pun on Thatcher, this was debunked a while ago by one of the old design team.
The He'stan thing also isn't true and nobody has ever been able to produce any shred of evidence to support it outside of "but 4chan says so". Automatically Appended Next Post:
Its called having fun. You should try it sometime
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 08:07:58
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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I imagine the Big Guy will take care of that in time, but for the here and now they are thing that exists and companies have to either adjust to them or forgo the Chinese market.
Obviously GW today is not the GW or 20, 30 years ago who thought that considered making Cathay a land of pigs in fancy clothes. So I just hope they do Cathay well. I always liked the idea.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 08:14:23
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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CMLR wrote:What would happen if Warhammer ever got an MMORPG, if only...
Probably make a bit of a splash on release, lose over half its subscriber base within a year, and be closed down within five.
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2021-4 Plog - Here we go again... - my fifth attempt at a Dakka PLOG
My Pile of Potential - updates ongoing...
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Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 09:08:05
Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Not as Good as a Minion
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the MMO still exists and a Server is still running
problem with that one back than was, that it was advertised as WoW Killer, yet the gameplay had a very different focus with RvR and a lot of people that joined first because WoW is bad, left after the they reached endgame because it was nothing like WoW
(and it is still the only RvR game on the market because there are not many people who like that kind of gameplay outside Arcade shooters)
same problem games have now with 40k, people switching to other games because they want a better 40k, yet the other game is different and therefore bad so they go back to 40k as soon as there as a hint that there might be light on the end of the tunnel
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 09:58:16
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I do wonder just why TOW project has Cathay. I can understand making some parts of the lore a bit less obscure as they're going back to the setting, but to design the whole faction as if they were coming to the tabletop seems quite a bit more than I expected? The way they worded it sort of implies they aren't intended to be for the game, but they did it just because.
I think it also settles the whole "The Old World is referring to just that part of the continent" thing and shows they're just using that term to refer to the setting.
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Subject: Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
Scotland, but nowhere near my rulebook
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:I am happy and impressed.
I mean it's unlikely I'll get either the video game or the minis (well maybe some minis) but I am impressed.
My one worry is if GW can restrain their worst instincts. For example do they have actual Chinese speakers working on the project and making sure the names actually make sense and aren't just Chinesey word mushs, or even worse, terrible puns.
I think the only name we got was Nan Gao ("southern heights" if I'm not mistaken) a perfectly cromulant Chinese name, though an odd one for the Northern Province.
Yeah, yeah this is fantasy Cathay, not China but it does matter.
Using Precolumbion Americans as inspiration for the Lizardmen was cool. Till they started naming folks Grimlock and Tick Tack Toe...
Let's just hope GW can resist their more... immature instincts with this expansion. Cause reading about General Egg Fu Yong just ain't even funny.
And I can already hear the CCP's screed about insulting a billion Chinese...
See, I'm a bit worried about that as well. But given that they're making this in conjunction with Creative Assembly who have just recently released Total War Three Kingdoms, which seems to have done pretty well in China, things may not work out like that. If GW have the sense to listen to the CA guys rather than dictating things to them. Given how the last couple of TW Warhammer games have worked out, and that the two studios seem to collaborate pretty extensively, there's some hope.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/09/15 10:10:04
Subject: Re:Warhammer The Old World : Square bases and 28mm scale, page 103
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Preparing the Invasion of Terra
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Mentlegen324 wrote:I do wonder just why TOW project has Cathay. I can understand making some parts of the lore a bit less obscure as they're going back to the setting, but to design the whole faction as if they were coming to the tabletop seems quite a bit more than I expected? The way they worded it sort of implies they aren't intended to be for the game, but they did it just because.
I think it also settles the whole "The Old World is referring to just that part of the continent" thing and shows they're just using that term to refer to the setting.
I would assume that the unexplored parts are getting made both as a tie-in to TW: WH3 and because releasing the exact same kits as before but slightly better is hardly a way to generate sales. Something along the lines of "Oh look, Empire State Troops but with fewer options and triple the price". This way it's new stuff that the design teams can work on without a whole lot of restrictions other than "myths from different cultures but actually its real".
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