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the_scotsman wrote:
Spoletta wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 deviantduck wrote:
I viewed this boxed set as a preview release with the full release being next year. To that end, I bought it. Kept the book and datacards, then sold the rest. I plan on buying plastics when they come in real, full kits, and not the monopose garbage.

I guess I set my expectations low enough to not be disappointed.


The monopose gargage gives you hefty discount(like half) and new set of poses. Multiparts are quite multipose as well. Only weapon option changes but flamer is flamer, storm bolter is storm bolter. Poses are just as set


Takes a bit of knife action, but my flamer girl is now a melta girl.


And she's now standing on an entire melted rhino on her 32mm base instead of the corpse, right?

Maybe she just winged the guy a bit?

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Spoletta wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 deviantduck wrote:
I viewed this boxed set as a preview release with the full release being next year. To that end, I bought it. Kept the book and datacards, then sold the rest. I plan on buying plastics when they come in real, full kits, and not the monopose garbage.

I guess I set my expectations low enough to not be disappointed.


The monopose gargage gives you hefty discount(like half) and new set of poses. Multiparts are quite multipose as well. Only weapon option changes but flamer is flamer, storm bolter is storm bolter. Poses are just as set


Takes a bit of knife action, but my flamer girl is now a melta girl.


I did this too, it was really easy! All I needed to do was trim the nozzle, remove the gas tank, cut it in half and attach it to the side.

Ill probably go back later and make some holes in the barrel

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Rynner wrote:
 deviantduck wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 deviantduck wrote:
I viewed this boxed set as a preview release with the full release being next year. To that end, I bought it. Kept the book and datacards, then sold the rest. I plan on buying plastics when they come in real, full kits, and not the monopose garbage.

I guess I set my expectations low enough to not be disappointed.


The monopose gargage gives you hefty discount(like half) and new set of poses. Multiparts are quite multipose as well. Only weapon option changes but flamer is flamer, storm bolter is storm bolter. Poses are just as set
I'm not concerned about the discount. I only bought the set for the book. Even if I used the models in the set I have to get more when the real kits come out. I might as well not mess with the inferior kits and wait for the full kits. If the new kits are going to be uncustomizable monopose as well, I'll just stick with my metal sisters for the rank and file.


I was going to stick with my old sisters but when you combine the new ruling about sisters needing to be on 32s in ITC/LVO combined with the fact that I hate basing donuts and think they look like trash I'm going to swap over.

I'd rather just paint a new army in the order color scheme they are going to be as opposed to rebasing my army. A model designed for 25mm put on a 32mm just looks off. Unfortunately though I'll have to use basing donuts for LVO.
Whilst annoying and expensive, I've always thought 25s were too small for SoB anyway. So, I'm rebasing them. I've been running Seraphim and all Characters on 32s since 7th.

 
   
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 Sentionaut wrote:
So what's the optimal number of Penitent Engines/Moritifiers that should be run in a single unit these days?

I know 3 used to be the golden number (and maybe the limit?) for pengines, curious if people still feel the same way.


5. Attrittion is going to happen. I'd do it up proper and hit more units at a time.

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 Jancoran wrote:
 Sentionaut wrote:
So what's the optimal number of Penitent Engines/Moritifiers that should be run in a single unit these days?

I know 3 used to be the golden number (and maybe the limit?) for pengines, curious if people still feel the same way.


5. Attrittion is going to happen. I'd do it up proper and hit more units at a time.


Depends which way they rule morts. Bare in mind 5 gives up full points on Gang Busters on a unit which is easy to kill. If you are taking 1 unit then you are probably going to take 4 so it's not an easy pick against you, does give up 1 point on marked for death but that isn't exactly huge. If you commit to giving up 4 points on Gang Busters then you are probably looking at going down the route of multiple max units of morts/pens.
   
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 Drider wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
 Sentionaut wrote:
So what's the optimal number of Penitent Engines/Moritifiers that should be run in a single unit these days?

I know 3 used to be the golden number (and maybe the limit?) for pengines, curious if people still feel the same way.


5. Attrittion is going to happen. I'd do it up proper and hit more units at a time.


Depends which way they rule morts. Bare in mind 5 gives up full points on Gang Busters on a unit which is easy to kill. If you are taking 1 unit then you are probably going to take 4 so it's not an easy pick against you, does give up 1 point on marked for death but that isn't exactly huge. If you commit to giving up 4 points on Gang Busters then you are probably looking at going down the route of multiple max units of morts/pens.


Remember however that it isnt the points you give up. It's the points you take. So for me, mitigating the enemy from being able to kill more or to be able to hold more is worth a lot of points too. It isnt as if you're not scoring secondaries yourself in the process. So I do not discount that its quite likely you'll give up some points, I think it's Sisters of Battle and that you are already forced into a hyper aggressive stance to win with them. Whether its 5 Mortifiers or 4 PL7 squads dying, at end of day, you're going to leak points. I'm not sure trying to stop the enemy from getting a few is reason not to take many more!

The Sisters are uber efficient at generating damage but they need board control in my opinion and Mortifiers give you the way to stall enemies. CLEARLY they are susceptible to certain Thunderhammer type units and that does mean you are going to have to account for that in deployment and screening and so on. But those are all adjustments you can make.

Anywho, the Mortifiers are terrifying it would appear to me and to have that kind of threat absorb the kind of position and attention it will seems like it is entirely in our best interests.

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I'm not saying thy're terrible, i'm just saying that making it easy/difficult for your oponent at the list building stage should be given due consideration. if you are only taking 1 unit and know that it will give up full points on a secondary then you have to consider the option for it to give up 3 points instead or to go all in on multiple units which would put, for example 12 points of gang busters on the table, of which you're opponent will only ever be able to score 4.

At this point I'd dissagree with the idea of Sisters being forced into a hyper aggressive stance to win. To me it seems like a hold over from previous itterations. I do 100% agree with you that you need board control to win, however it's something I'm very must still pondering over.

What I will point out though is that despite how good morts/pens look on paper, they can be hampered imeasurable by terrain, vehicles can't move through walls and have a complete inability to tackle anything inside a magic box. In that regard they very much lose out to infantry melee options, even the Triumph can entre a magic box. 9 Arcos and a priest in a rhino are equally as worthy of consideration. Even repentia, although optimal as bloody rose, having the S+1 buff from the imagifier instread of Order Trait means that they can be taken by any order without being entirely useless.

I also agree that kill more/hold more is worth a lot of points too and can end up being where the game is decided. If we're talking about running a brigade of MSU sisters. Regardless of how potentually durable 3+(ignore -2)/4++/6+++ is, the door is already open to giving up kill more so due consideration has to be given to how best to score hold more reliably every turn.

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Bought the box and admitingly it's going to be a while before I expand my sister's army beyond it. I have already a lot of Primaris and Custodes. Which would be better to pair with some of the box?
   
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 Drider wrote:


Depends which way they rule morts.


What does the Field Manual say?
   
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 Drider wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
 Sentionaut wrote:
So what's the optimal number of Penitent Engines/Moritifiers that should be run in a single unit these days?

I know 3 used to be the golden number (and maybe the limit?) for pengines, curious if people still feel the same way.


5. Attrittion is going to happen. I'd do it up proper and hit more units at a time.


Depends which way they rule morts. Bare in mind 5 gives up full points on Gang Busters on a unit which is easy to kill. If you are taking 1 unit then you are probably going to take 4 so it's not an easy pick against you, does give up 1 point on marked for death but that isn't exactly huge. If you commit to giving up 4 points on Gang Busters then you are probably looking at going down the route of multiple max units of morts/pens.


How does being outside us affects? Gangbuster is itc thing which is largely us thing.

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Yeah, been considering the same.

Mortifiers look quite good at a distraction fex. You throw them at the enemy head first.

Cheap, durable and scary enough for the role. Especially dangerous in melee where they explode a lot.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
Spoiler:
 Drider wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
 Sentionaut wrote:
So what's the optimal number of Penitent Engines/Moritifiers that should be run in a single unit these days?

I know 3 used to be the golden number (and maybe the limit?) for pengines, curious if people still feel the same way.


5. Attrittion is going to happen. I'd do it up proper and hit more units at a time.


Depends which way they rule morts. Bare in mind 5 gives up full points on Gang Busters on a unit which is easy to kill. If you are taking 1 unit then you are probably going to take 4 so it's not an easy pick against you, does give up 1 point on marked for death but that isn't exactly huge. If you commit to giving up 4 points on Gang Busters then you are probably looking at going down the route of multiple max units of morts/pens.


How does being outside us affects? Gangbuster is itc thing which is largely us thing.


Really depends on the format you and the meta you are playing. If there is a lot of anti heavy infantry shooting, haywire, anti tank or if kill points matter or not, mileage will vary. As has already been said, max sized units of morts are the best investment on paper.
   
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So according to gw's facebook page sisters won't be getting an FAQ until their full launch next year.

It's easy to assume that people arguing an interpretation you disagree with are just looking for an advantage for themselves... But it's quite often not the case.  
   
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Oberron wrote:
So according to gw's facebook page sisters won't be getting an FAQ until their full launch next year.


So we are free and clear to throw as many MD as we like in a given units attacks?

That 2019 Emperor Wills line just keeps getting dumber.

A ton of armies and a terrain habit...


 
   
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 dracpanzer wrote:
Oberron wrote:
So according to gw's facebook page sisters won't be getting an FAQ until their full launch next year.


So we are free and clear to throw as many MD as we like in a given units attacks?

That 2019 Emperor Wills line just keeps getting dumber.


i made a thread in YMDC for that https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/783736.page

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It's easy to assume that people arguing an interpretation you disagree with are just looking for an advantage for themselves... But it's quite often not the case.  
   
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Any indication of when that release is happening? Are we looking at mid Jan or into spring?
   
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Tel11 wrote:
Any indication of when that release is happening? Are we looking at mid Jan or into spring?


late January- early to mid feb

It's easy to assume that people arguing an interpretation you disagree with are just looking for an advantage for themselves... But it's quite often not the case.  
   
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Oberron wrote:
So according to gw's facebook page sisters won't be getting an FAQ until their full launch next year.

Can you link to that? I can't find the post.
   
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Waaaghpower wrote:
Oberron wrote:
So according to gw's facebook page sisters won't be getting an FAQ until their full launch next year.

Can you link to that? I can't find the post.


https://www.facebook.com/warhammer40000uk/posts/2493531564300801


not many people have seen it it looks like

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it makes sense, compared to other codices the sisters release is in much smaller hands so errors might not get spotted as fast, also the only people with the 'dex are presumably more hard core fans.

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Finally had my first game with the Sisters. There's a lot to remember. Ended up drowning in miracle dice because I'd forget to use them.

Comfy win though, played GSC cult and they just had no answer for my resilience with Valorous Heart,

Had 3 Penitent Engines, 8 Repentia and 6 Arco-flagelants and they're all walking blenders as anticipated. Exorcist killed anything it looked at.Sisters just chilled on objectives, At one point a 5-woman squad in cover tanked 15 hand flamers and took no casualties.

I think I love this army already. A lot to remember though
   
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 dracpanzer wrote:
Oberron wrote:
So according to gw's facebook page sisters won't be getting an FAQ until their full launch next year.


So we are free and clear to throw as many MD as we like in a given units attacks?

That 2019 Emperor Wills line just keeps getting dumber.


Unless gw errata's it no. Rules atm are clear so you need errata to do so

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IanVanCheese wrote:

Had 3 Penitent Engines, 8 Repentia and 6 Arco-flagelants and they're all walking blenders as anticipated. Exorcist killed anything it looked at.Sisters just chilled on objectives, At one point a 5-woman squad in cover tanked 15 hand flamers and took no casualties.


People that keep saying "just throw dice at them" are really underestimating how good 2+ saves are :p

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 Grundz wrote:
IanVanCheese wrote:

Had 3 Penitent Engines, 8 Repentia and 6 Arco-flagelants and they're all walking blenders as anticipated. Exorcist killed anything it looked at.Sisters just chilled on objectives, At one point a 5-woman squad in cover tanked 15 hand flamers and took no casualties.


People that keep saying "just throw dice at them" are really underestimating how good 2+ saves are :p


Yep. I failed a single save and then 6+++ shrugged it just to add insult to injury. The resilience they offer for their points is staggering.
   
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A) luck is thing
B) valorous heart doesn't matter much, vs hand flamer
C) 15 hand flamer,52.5 hits, 26.25 wounds, 4.375 past save, 5 past 6+++

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tneva82 wrote:
A) luck is thing
B) valorous heart doesn't matter much, vs hand flamer
C) 15 hand flamer,52.5 hits, 26.25 wounds, 4.375 past save, 5 past 6+++


Party pooper. Well aware that it was a lucky upswing, but the nice thing about having a 2+ and 6+++ is that the luck doesn't need to swing as far to give you that result.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
A) luck is thing
B) valorous heart doesn't matter much, vs hand flamer
C) 15 hand flamer,52.5 hits, 26.25 wounds, 4.375 past save, 5 past 6+++


Weird way to write that. How could you possibly take more damage from wound shrug past an armour save. Your precision jumps around at each step. Real hard to understand your numbers. I had to go run them myself to see what you're trying to even say given how it looked like you were tweaking the output to match your argument.

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Lemondish wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
A) luck is thing
B) valorous heart doesn't matter much, vs hand flamer
C) 15 hand flamer,52.5 hits, 26.25 wounds, 4.375 past save, 5 past 6+++


Weird way to write that. How could you possibly take more damage from wound shrug past an armour save. Your precision jumps around at each step. Real hard to understand your numbers. I had to go run them myself to see what you're trying to even say given how it looked like you were tweaking the output to match your argument.


52.5 shots
26.25 wounds caused
4.376 past saves
3.646 dead models

To note: the same squad does 2.917 wounds to a knight

They are ridiculously tough

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Lemondish wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
A) luck is thing
B) valorous heart doesn't matter much, vs hand flamer
C) 15 hand flamer,52.5 hits, 26.25 wounds, 4.375 past save, 5 past 6+++


Weird way to write that. How could you possibly take more damage from wound shrug past an armour save. Your precision jumps around at each step. Real hard to understand your numbers. I had to go run them myself to see what you're trying to even say given how it looked like you were tweaking the output to match your argument.


Typo on last one. And should i write 26.250 just for fun of it? 26.25 is 26.25. Further precision not needed because there's no further decimals.

Bohoo keyboard weirded out on last number. Real tweaking gee. 4.375 alone shows no casualties is extreme swing because rolling 4 6's on 4 dice less than 0.1% chance.

Ah well. Be dishonest if you want

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tneva82 wrote:
Lemondish wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
A) luck is thing
B) valorous heart doesn't matter much, vs hand flamer
C) 15 hand flamer,52.5 hits, 26.25 wounds, 4.375 past save, 5 past 6+++


Weird way to write that. How could you possibly take more damage from wound shrug past an armour save. Your precision jumps around at each step. Real hard to understand your numbers. I had to go run them myself to see what you're trying to even say given how it looked like you were tweaking the output to match your argument.


Typo on last one. And should i write 26.250 just for fun of it? 26.25 is 26.25. Further precision not needed because there's no further decimals.

Bohoo keyboard weirded out on last number. Real tweaking gee. 4.375 alone shows no casualties is extreme swing because rolling 4 6's on 4 dice less than 0.1% chance.

Ah well. Be dishonest if you want
I'm still scratching my heads to where the 15 hand flamers came from. It's like a missed a page and I'm trying to fill in the gaps.

 
   
 
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