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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Active Duty Military, 20 years and retired. No student loans, all my college has been taken care of- I actually get more money by going to college full time.

I still work, because I want to and I like the extra pay. But I could survive on my retirement pay.

I was waiting for FYIGM to show up, and boy did it.

the quiet tragedy is that the topic isn't even about retirement planning, but dying prior to retirement age.

If everyone was exactly me, there would be no problem.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Active Duty Military, 20 years and retired. No student loans, all my college has been taken care of- I actually get more money by going to college full time.

I still work, because I want to and I like the extra pay. But I could survive on my retirement pay.

It's not impossible.

Good dietary practices aren't impossible to get on a budget. Chicken breast and green and red veggies aren't pricey. I avoid fast food unless I'm in dire straits and didn't prepare, or I just want a little treat.


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Absolutely true, however there are several other factors as well. Having the skill and knowledge to prepare said food, having the appliances to do that, and perhaps most importantly having the energy to do that. It also does not undermine the main point; even when preparing one's own meals unhealthy food is cheaper than healthy food because unhealthy ingredients are cheaper than healthy ones. And that is before getting into matters of literal taste.

If I can take apart a transmission and change out my cylinders in a truck with 0 Mechanic experience, a few borrowed tools, and Youtube... there's no excuse to not know how to make your own meal.

If your "Healthy Ingredients" are too expensive, then you probably need to stop going to Trader Joe's or Whole Foods and go down to the actual normal peoples' grocery store or a Farmer's Market if you wanna be picky.

Many of these 'challenges' in life aren't impossible, they just take a little extra work.

I suggest examine the world from outside your own perspective. You may find it enlightening.

 Polonius wrote:
I was waiting for FYIGM to show up, and boy did it.

the quiet tragedy is that the topic isn't even about retirement planning, but dying prior to retirement age.

Yes, FYIGM. Clearly it wasn't handed over to me. Oh, and for all of those people who said something along the lines of "yOu WeReN't SmArT eNoUgH fOr CoLlEgE!"- Yes, FYIGM and I enjoy knowing they'll be in debt until they hit 50 (at best). Because FYIGM, I saw an opportunity and I seized it. That's not a lottery, that's smart.

And the latter part about dying prior to the age was also a concern, so I'm not completely ignorant. There's a lot of factors that have sent my buddies to the afterlife, too- not just "over there", but back home-years after retiring or finishing their commitment.

Maybe, and just hear me out-

A lot of people out there make bad choices financially and regarding their health. A few trips to any FLGS and you can spot a few guys who won't make it past 55, so I can hardly be mad at them for squandering their money on Warhammer models until their accounts are overdrafted.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
If everyone was exactly me, there would be no problem.

I've been saying this for years. I even said, "And women don't have to look like me", which works out great for everyone- and it still wasn't well-received. Weirdos.


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I suggest examine the world from outside your own perspective. You may find it enlightening.

I'm not sure I can make my brain work on the perspective that produces "I don't know how to food unless other people make it for me". At that point, one should live with their parents or in a care facility. It's 2019, cooking your own food isn't hard. Your ancestors figured it out with some sticks and a slab of meat.

See that's your perception of another perspective, you are demonstrating a lack of understanding of viewpoints beyond your own. Which is why I'm not taking you seriously. There is little purpose in trying to explain what the other side of a building looks like when the response is "but it doesn't look like that from where I'm standing so it's wrong."

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
See that's your perception of another perspective, you are demonstrating a lack of understanding of viewpoints beyond your own. Which is why I'm not taking you seriously.

I'm still waiting for a reason why anyone who thinks "I don't know how to cook something in 2019 where I can literally youtube a step-by-step process on how to disassemble an aircraft engine or sew an entire Batman costume" should think that I'd be too terribly bothered about what they take seriously. Obviously, if you can't take your own health seriously enough, and your excuses are "I don't have time", "I don't have a stove/oven", or "I don't know how to learn"- well, taking me seriously should be your last concern. There's a lot more out there to prioritize.

At this point, if you don't have any of those things- there's not really much reason for you to be on a page discussing a game that involves $40.00 plastic space men.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
See that's your perception of another perspective, you are demonstrating a lack of understanding of viewpoints beyond your own. Which is why I'm not taking you seriously.

I'm still waiting for a reason why anyone who thinks "I don't know how to cook something in 2019 where I can literally youtube a step-by-step process on how to disassemble an aircraft engine or sew an entire Batman costume" should think that I'd be too terribly bothered about what they take seriously. Obviously, if you can't take your own health seriously enough, and your excuses are "I don't have time", "I don't have a stove/oven", or "I don't know how to learn"- well, taking me seriously should be your last concern. There's a lot more out there to prioritize.

At this point, if you don't have any of those things- there's not really much reason for you to be on a page discussing a game that involves $40.00 plastic space men.

You are completely detached from the point I am making. Reading what you think I'm saying is like reading a fictional novel.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Absolutely true, however there are several other factors as well. Having the skill and knowledge to prepare said food, having the appliances to do that, and perhaps most importantly having the energy to do that. It also does not undermine the main point; even when preparing one's own meals unhealthy food is cheaper than healthy food because unhealthy ingredients are cheaper than healthy ones. And that is before getting into matters of literal taste.

Well, I agree, nutrition and diet are "not simple." Part of that is educational. There are really, in all likelihood, far too many people who don't understand, say, what a carbohydrate vs. protein vs. a fat, for example. I've had actual educated people, who are quite intelligent, tell me that vegetables aren't carbs. Only to realize their mistake once saying it. But that is really how they saw it, before actually thinking critically about it. "Is butter a carb?" seems like a joke question, but people, in real life, have actually asked my wife that.

Not only that, but indeed, we don't teach people to cook nearly enough. It's seen as some sort of "hobby" not a pretty vital skill. The further problem of how to cook even vaguely healthy though is a whole additional problem. What seems (to me) to happen, is that people get conditioned to certain aspect of fast food, or snack food, that are in-themselves pleasing, but are not at all healthy. Consider, if you habituate to, say, McDonalds food, there is so much salt in there, that there is no path "back" for the most part, to a "healthier" salt level. The same goes for sweetened things. Since fructose is vastly more sweet tasting than even sucrose, tasting something not full of fructose "tastes bad." So, when you cook at home, you aren't likely to put in absurd amounts of salt, or add HFCS, or fill things with soy lechetin. But those things are so overwhelmingly present in "junk" foods that we think "this is how food should taste" and then you can't accept any substitute!

Here is an anecdote to illustrate. I was grocery shopping and in a moment of weakness (I know, I know) saw some brownies for sale, a little pack, only 99 cents, so I looked at the ingredients. Interestingly, no dairy (I can't have it) and no fructose (I also need to avoid that, due to digestive issues). I figured I'd give it a shot. So, when the register person rang it up, she asked, "have you had these before?" No, I replied. "Oh, I tried them and they were gross," she said. Oh, well, it's only a dollar, I give them a shot, I said. Well, I did. And they were quite good, but not overly sweet, obviously, because they had no fructose in it. Here's my analysis, she likely didn't like them precisely because they were not overly sweet, precisely because almost everything else you'd get on that shelf is sweetened to a much higher degree and once habituated to that level, nothing else could suffice.

Not only is it "easier" to hit the drive through on the way home, it literally tastes better in most cases because the food has been engineered to be addictive and overly appealing. That is literally how it sells. Plus the savings on time and effort. So, you are saying that I get something that tastes better and takes less time, effort and skill? The question isn't why would someone choose junk food, but rather, why would anyone not choose it? Now, of course, it's not actually that simple, because some people really do worth multiple jobs, really do not have the time or the ability to put forth the effort and there you can see how this all downwardly spirals, endlessly. There is a whole "next level" to this as well, but I think I've ranted enough here now.

Suffice to say, once you are conditioned to a high calorie, high salt, high sugar diet, it perpetuates it's own perpetuance. And you will pay the cost in health over the long term, no doubt.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
You are completely detached from the point I am making. Reading what you think I'm saying is like reading a fictional novel.

Well, help me out here- I'm going to quote one of my favorite bits of fiction and you tell me where there is a loss in translation:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Absolutely true, however there are several other factors as well. Having the skill and knowledge to prepare said food, having the appliances to do that, and perhaps most importantly having the energy to do that. It also does not undermine the main point; even when preparing one's own meals unhealthy food is cheaper than healthy food because unhealthy ingredients are cheaper than healthy ones. And that is before getting into matters of literal taste.

That's ripped from your post. No edits. Exactly what you said.

And I refuted your points. Your counter was, in a nutshell, "You don't see it right and you're mean".

Saying "change your perspective" is not an argument. By all means, please, show me what perspective I have failed to consider in my assessment of the capabilities of the capable human adult in Western society.

Because I haven't even taken the point about "unhealthy food being cheaper" and torn it apart yet. That's a whole different thing I want to crush- because people don't actually know what "healthy food" really is, they think it requires a special label or something... when in fact, really, it's a lot to do with portion control, what you mix, when you eat, etc. Fast food isn't even as terrible as people think- it's just a matter of specifically what they order, and the fact that sodas are terrible for you.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Absolutely true, however there are several other factors as well. Having the skill and knowledge to prepare said food, having the appliances to do that, and perhaps most importantly having the energy to do that. It also does not undermine the main point; even when preparing one's own meals unhealthy food is cheaper than healthy food because unhealthy ingredients are cheaper than healthy ones. And that is before getting into matters of literal taste.

Well, I agree, nutrition and diet are "not simple." Part of that is educational. There are really, in all likelihood, far too many people who don't understand, say, what a carbohydrate vs. protein vs. a fat, for example. I've had actual educated people, who are quite intelligent, tell me that vegetables aren't carbs. Only to realize their mistake once saying it. But that is really how they saw it, before actually thinking critically about it. "Is butter a carb?" seems like a joke question, but people, in real life, have actually asked my wife that.

Not only that, but indeed, we don't teach people to cook nearly enough. It's seen as some sort of "hobby" not a pretty vital skill. The further problem of how to cook even vaguely healthy though is a whole additional problem. What seems (to me) to happen, is that people get conditioned to certain aspect of fast food, or snack food, that are in-themselves pleasing, but are not at all healthy. Consider, if you habituate to, say, McDonalds food, there is so much salt in there, that there is no path "back" for the most part, to a "healthier" salt level. The same goes for sweetened things. Since fructose is vastly more sweet tasting than even sucrose, tasting something not full of fructose "tastes bad." So, when you cook at home, you aren't likely to put in absurd amounts of salt, or add HFCS, or fill things with soy lechetin. But those things are so overwhelmingly present in "junk" foods that we think "this is how food should taste" and then you can't accept any substitute!

Here is an anecdote to illustrate. I was grocery shopping and in a moment of weakness (I know, I know) saw some brownies for sale, a little pack, only 99 cents, so I looked at the ingredients. Interestingly, no dairy (I can't have it) and no fructose (I also need to avoid that, due to digestive issues). I figured I'd give it a shot. So, when the register person rang it up, she asked, "have you had these before?" No, I replied. "Oh, I tried them and they were gross," she said. Oh, well, it's only a dollar, I give them a shot, I said. Well, I did. And they were quite good, but not overly sweet, obviously, because they had no fructose in it. Here's my analysis, she likely didn't like them precisely because they were not overly sweet, precisely because almost everything else you'd get on that shelf is sweetened to a much higher degree and once habituated to that level, nothing else could suffice.

Not only is it "easier" to hit the drive through on the way home, it literally tastes better in most cases because the food has been engineered to be addictive and overly appealing. That is literally how it sells. Plus the savings on time and effort. So, you are saying that I get something that tastes better and takes less time, effort and skill? The question isn't why would someone choose junk food, but rather, why would anyone not choose it? Now, of course, it's not actually that simple, because some people really do worth multiple jobs, really do not have the time or the ability to put forth the effort and there you can see how this all downwardly spirals, endlessly. There is a whole "next level" to this as well, but I think I've ranted enough here now.

Suffice to say, once you are conditioned to a high calorie, high salt, high sugar diet, it perpetuates it's own perpetuance. And you will pay the cost in health over the long term, no doubt.

Agreed on all counts. It goes to show that in relation to the point made in the OP even just the food aspect has a large amount of depth which is its own topic entirely. I will also add that those $1 of brownies probably had way, way more calories than $1 of any healthy fruit or vegetable product, going back to my point that even when cooking for oneself the unhealthy ingredients are cheaper.


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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
And I refuted your points.

No, you never even addressed them. What you think I said and what I actually said are completely different. My best advice is to take what you think of my position right now, and re-read what I've said assuming that is wrong.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Agreed on all counts. It goes to show that in relation to the point made in the OP even just the food aspect has a large amount of depth which is its own topic entirely. I will also add that those $1 of brownies probably had way, way more calories than $1 of any healthy fruit or vegetable product, going back to my point that even when cooking for oneself the unhealthy ingredients are cheaper.

What's the price difference between an unhealthy chicken breast and a healthy chicken breast, and what ingredients can be added to either to make it unhealthy?

Because I can sit here and tell you a grilled chicken breast vs. a deep fried (unhealthy) chicken breast is going to have a significantly steeper price tag if you're making the unhealthy version.

And please don't tell me you think Organic = Healthy, GMO = Bad. Because you seem smarter than that, and I attribute that kind of thinking to the people who put crystals on their foreheads to stop a headache.

For one thing, your life plan requires military service. Not everyone has the temperament, ideology, or physical health to make it in the military. However, I do agree that life would be easier for everyone if the government paid for healthcare and retirement.

While it would be nice if everyone knew how to cook and make minor repairs, these things have to be taught to be learned and schools don’t teach these skills any more. Blaming the students for not knowing something they never had a chance to learn might feel good but isn’t going to accomplish much.

Well, corn siroop is still a thing on your side of the pond right?

Just like glutamat here,mostly due to the industry that lobbies to keep it legal.

Meanwhile here we have high parkinsons and alzheimers traced partially to glutamat consumption.

It's definitely harder to eat well in America! In the 2 months I was there if I wanted healthy food I had to drive to Walmart and buy fruit, but there were fast food joints on every corner.. KFC, mcd, bk, Wendy's, church's, jitb, taco Bell, Dennys, the list is endless. I did enjoy the fajitas at chilli's though. And bee dubs was good too.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Agreed on all counts. It goes to show that in relation to the point made in the OP even just the food aspect has a large amount of depth which is its own topic entirely. I will also add that those $1 of brownies probably had way, way more calories than $1 of any healthy fruit or vegetable product, going back to my point that even when cooking for oneself the unhealthy ingredients are cheaper.

What's the price difference between an unhealthy chicken breast and a healthy chicken breast, and what ingredients can be added to either to make it unhealthy?

Because I can sit here and tell you a grilled chicken breast vs. a deep fried (unhealthy) chicken breast is going to have a significantly steeper price tag if you're making the unhealthy version.

And please don't tell me you think Organic = Healthy, GMO = Bad. Because you seem smarter than that, and I attribute that kind of thinking to the people who put crystals on their foreheads to stop a headache.

Have you ever lived in an area where the only chicken you could buy required an extra halfhour of travel and was marked way the hell up? If you’ve never been in a “food desert” it can be really hard to believe, but they do exist. And they suck. I’d say they suck ass, but even that can be pretty unavailable.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Agreed on all counts. It goes to show that in relation to the point made in the OP even just the food aspect has a large amount of depth which is its own topic entirely. I will also add that those $1 of brownies probably had way, way more calories than $1 of any healthy fruit or vegetable product, going back to my point that even when cooking for oneself the unhealthy ingredients are cheaper.

What's the price difference between an unhealthy chicken breast and a healthy chicken breast, and what ingredients can be added to either to make it unhealthy?

Because I can sit here and tell you a grilled chicken breast vs. a deep fried (unhealthy) chicken breast is going to have a significantly steeper price tag if you're making the unhealthy version.

Chicken breast and ground beef have similar price per pound, but ground beef is double the calories. And as easy it is to make a grilled chicken breast, making a burger is even easier. Add to the mix that most people overwhelmingly prefer the latter in taste to the former.

And please don't tell me you think Organic = Healthy, GMO = Bad. Because you seem smarter than that, and I attribute that kind of thinking to the people who put crystals on their foreheads to stop a headache.

I have learned to stop myself from speaking on this topic, because I will inevitably rant. Suffice to say I agree more than I can put into words.

Actually reminds me, was there ever a off topic thread for fast recipies?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
While it would be nice if everyone knew how to cook and make minor repairs, these things have to be taught to be learned and schools don’t teach these skills any more. Blaming the students for not knowing something they never had a chance to learn might feel good but isn’t going to accomplish much.

We could, at the very least, teach them how to teach themselves. But that's something we save for college.

NinthMusketeer wrote:Agreed on all counts. It goes to show that in relation to the point made in the OP even just the food aspect has a large amount of depth which is its own topic entirely. I will also add that those $1 of brownies probably had way, way more calories than $1 of any healthy fruit or vegetable product, going back to my point that even when cooking for oneself the unhealthy ingredients are cheaper.

Yes, absolutely. Calorie density is a fact, really. So, indeed, while you can make the case otherwise, because food is expensive in any case, less calorie dense foods (like vegetables, for example) are more expensive per calorie. And that's in insidious sort of thing about being habituated to say, a 4,000 calorie a day diet. There is simply, to make a silly example, no way anyone is going to eat that much broccoli. But it's facile to eat that much in one Burger King, or KFC meal alone.

Not Online!!! wrote:Well, corn siroop is still a thing on your side of the pond right?

Just like glutamat here,mostly due to the industry that lobbies to keep it legal.

Meanwhile here we have high parkinsons and alzheimers traced partially to glutamat consumption.

Oh, yeah, very much so. And High Fructose Corn Syrup no less, as well. It's in anything and everything because it (corn) is very, very subsidized as well. So, like wheat here in the US, they add it to anything and everything, just as filler. And, like soy lecithin, once habituated to it, things without it don't taste "as good" to many people. It's addictive, it's habit-forming and it's not healthy in any real way.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
However, I do agree that life would be easier for everyone if the government paid for healthcare and retirement.

You know it's a slap in our face when you insinuate that this is just some little freebie we get for existing and wearing a costume, like it's just handed to us. I just want you to know that.

I also want you to know it's something that's only said on the safety of the internet. Go down to the VFW and say this, I dare you.

Yes, it would be an easier life if everyone were physically, morally, legally, and psychologically capable of doing this for 20 years and earning those benefits. I dare say we'd live in a much better world if all people were capable of earning it.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
While it would be nice if everyone knew how to cook and make minor repairs, these things have to be taught to be learned and schools don’t teach these skills any more. Blaming the students for not knowing something they never had a chance to learn might feel good but isn’t going to accomplish much.

I did not know how to cook when I got out on my own. I did not have these classes in school.

I learned. I went and read, or asked people to show me, and once they decided to put Youtube on a device that fits in my pocket I was unstoppable.

It's called "initiative". It's more than an old stat from 7th. At this points, the excuses sound like what I expect to hear from a lazy person.

"Not having the chance to learn"- if they had no capability to read, no means to speak to another human being, and have absolutely no time to remedy any of the above- I wish to speak to this exceptional individual and inquire about the monsters that kept them locked in a basement for an entire lifetime.


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Have you ever lived in an area where the only chicken you could buy required an extra halfhour of travel and was marked way the hell up? If you’ve never been in a “food desert” it can be really hard to believe, but they do exist. And they suck. I’d say they suck ass, but even that can be pretty unavailable.

Then one should seek an alternative. While I'm fairly certain you could land on the moon and find a place with chicken breasts for sale (next to the Dollar General that you know is going to manifest there), I'm quite certain that in no way can all of your protein foods be inaccessible. At that point, other sources can be found.

I wonder what portion of the US's health problems could be traced just to corn subsidies. Obviously that is one factor among countless, but I still believe that there would be a noticeable improvement in health if corn subsidies were eliminated.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I wonder what portion of the US's health problems could be traced just to corn subsidies. Obviously that is one factor among countless, but I still believe that there would be a noticeable improvement in health if corn subsidies were eliminated.

Corn acts mostly as a filler. We'd be buying more 'pure' food, but the lack of corn subsidies wouldn't improve our health.

And that 'pure' food would be much more expensive, because you won't see people willing to eat smaller portions. They'll be rioting.

I'm not worried. I'm already retired (retired early), and while I'm not rich by any means, I live comfortably enough.


Where there is a will, there is a way. Most of those I know who are still working at retirement age either enjoy working too much to quit, loves money too much, or got so deep into debt over the years they can't afford to retire.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I wonder what portion of the US's health problems could be traced just to corn subsidies. Obviously that is one factor among countless, but I still believe that there would be a noticeable improvement in health if corn subsidies were eliminated.

Well, i do remember from my courses that especially diabetes and related issues did drop heavily.
However switzerland is still high in that regards due to sugar refining and subsidies of sugar carrots (no idea,Zuckerrübe is what i mean).



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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I wonder what portion of the US's health problems could be traced just to corn subsidies. Obviously that is one factor among countless, but I still believe that there would be a noticeable improvement in health if corn subsidies were eliminated.

Corn acts mostly as a filler. We'd be buying more 'pure' food, but the lack of corn subsidies wouldn't improve our health.

And that 'pure' food would be much more expensive, because you won't see people willing to eat smaller portions. They'll be rioting.

Indeed the subsidies themselves aren't the issue .

The issue comes then when you allow the companies to use what ever they want. Ofc there will be those that abuse that or actively Lobby for letting the abuse go unhindered.

(Cough glutamat cough.)

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I wonder what portion of the US's health problems could be traced just to corn subsidies. Obviously that is one factor among countless, but I still believe that there would be a noticeable improvement in health if corn subsidies were eliminated.

Unlikely. Most of the issues we have in the United States is related to poor eating habits, poor dietary choices, and lack of exercise/low activity lifestyles.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I wonder what portion of the US's health problems could be traced just to corn subsidies. Obviously that is one factor among countless, but I still believe that there would be a noticeable improvement in health if corn subsidies were eliminated.

Well, i do remember from my courses that especially diabetes and related issues did drop heavily.
However switzerland is still high in that regards due to sugar refining and subsidies of sugar carrots (no idea,Zuckerrübe is what i mean).

Yeah, sugar, in whatever form, is a huge problem. Not just as corn syrup, or high fructose corn syrup, but even just cane or beet sugar. Plus, then it gets labeled as invert sugar, or dextrose, and on, and on. Not to mention, how many people really read the nutritional labels of things and consider how many grams of sugar is "too much" for a given day? Not many, honestly.

Sugar is almost certainly bad for you in anything higher than very small quantities. But research was likely, and likely still is, being suppressed about this because the lobbies are strong since there is a lot of money in it.

 H wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I wonder what portion of the US's health problems could be traced just to corn subsidies. Obviously that is one factor among countless, but I still believe that there would be a noticeable improvement in health if corn subsidies were eliminated.

Well, i do remember from my courses that especially diabetes and related issues did drop heavily.
However switzerland is still high in that regards due to sugar refining and subsidies of sugar carrots (no idea,Zuckerrübe is what i mean).

Yeah, sugar, in whatever form, is a huge problem. Not just as corn syrup, or high fructose corn syrup, but even just cane or beet sugar. Plus, then it gets labeled as invert sugar, or dextrose, and on, and on. Not to mention, how many people really read the nutritional labels of things and consider how many grams of sugar is "too much" for a given day? Not many, honestly.

Sugar is almost certainly bad for you in anything higher than very small quantities. But research was likely, and likely still is, being suppressed about this because the lobbies are strong since there is a lot of money in it.

Actually research suggests that sugar is in the Same realm as certain drugs, especially white refined one.

However,worse than that are artificial sugar replacements.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Actually research suggests that sugar is in the Same realm as certain drugs, especially white refined one.

However,worse than that are artificial sugar replacements.

So basically, it's simply safer to do cocaine instead of candy!

That's my excuse, and you can't stop me.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm rolling an expired grocery coupon for sugar, and gonna do a line off the table.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Actually research suggests that sugar is in the Same realm as certain drugs, especially white refined one.

However,worse than that are artificial sugar replacements.

So basically, it's simply safer to do cocaine instead of candy!

That's my excuse, and you can't stop me.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm rolling an expired grocery coupon for sugar, and gonna do a line off the table.

Actually the exemple given if my memory serves me right,is more akin to heroin. As in the symptome is the avoidance of coming down.


Found it, should probably reread it.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/

Only now realised that you wanted to be sassy.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Actually research suggests that sugar is in the Same realm as certain drugs, especially white refined one.

However,worse than that are artificial sugar replacements.

Yeah, I believe it. Since I have fructose malabsorption, I am really trying to dial back all sugar consumption, but yeah, it's real hard to relapse. It's pretty absurd, but it's true, it's real addictive for sure.