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 Red_Five wrote:
So at this point, I think it is pretty clear that GW is revamping the whole Space Marine line and is going to (eventually) squat all of the old stuff).

Also, I wish GW would give a quarter of the attention and love they lavish upon Space Marines to literally any other faction...

This

 Xenomancers wrote:
Primaris marines lack a lot of things actually. No flyer, no dedicated tank, only 1 super heavy. If you think about it that way. There really is no reason to complain.

I can think of a lot of armies that lack much more, if you think about it that way. They even lacked it for much, much longer too!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Primaris marines lack a lot of things actually. No flyer, no dedicated tank, only 1 super heavy. If you think about it that way. There really is no reason to complain.

I can think of a lot of armies that lack much more, if you think about it that way. They even lacked it for much, much longer too!

and sisters are getting their entire line revamped in january.

They still lack flyers and superheavies after the revamp dude. According to Xenomancer it means GW should do a second, third and fourth wave to give us all those stuff. Ahah who the hell believes this?
And Sisters are far from the only army with much more “holes” in their available units than Primaris marines.

Why would someone not interested in - or actively against - Marines in general and Primaris in particular bother wandering into this thread, never mind bothering to post odd irrelevant stuff?

Maybe it’s just the holiday season?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
They still lack flyers and superheavies after the revamp dude. According to Xenomancer it means GW should do a second, third and fourth wave to give us all those stuff. .

And I agree with him, Sisters should totally get a flyer, a super heavy well.. yeah no not every army has those, excluding forge world (and Knights) only Imperial Guard, Orks Necons chaos marines and craftworld eldar have a super heavy. Include "any lord of war" and you can then count space marines, death guard and 1k sons as having them.

they're not exactly universal. (and sisters really can get away with running a knight if they so choose their "pure faction" bonus is pretty small)

 Alpharius wrote:
Why would someone not interested in - or actively against - Marines in general and Primaris in particular bother wandering into this thread, never mind bothering to post odd irrelevant stuff?

Maybe it’s just the holiday season?

Dunno. Maybe they don't like it. Could be that.

But why bother coming into this particular thread then?

If you hate ice cream do you go to...the ice cream shop?

And the complain about...the ice cream?

Still, hopefully school starts up again soon the world round.

they do it to complain. I think they have this bizzare idea that if they complain endlessly about marine stuff GW will go "PEWOPLE ON DAKKA DAKKA ARE COMPLAINING! ELT'S PUT OUT ORKS/ELDAR ETC INSTEAD"

Stranger things have happened, I guess.

They should actually hope for a *faster* release for all the Primaris stuff - once it’s all out, GW will have time to move on to all those neglected lines!

at this point I am hoping they just hurry this up. and this time make sure melee marines and bike marines get the stuff they need, so we can get to something that doesn't look like a bad 30k impression to my eyes, assuming they don't just go right back to the same thing again.

 Alpharius wrote:
But why bother coming into this particular thread then?

If you hate ice cream do you go to...the ice cream shop?

And the complain about...the ice cream?

Still, hopefully school starts up again soon the world round.

This is the thread to give initial reactions to the announcement. It sounds like you have an issue with hearing people with opinions you don't like.

 Alpharius wrote:
Stranger things have happened, I guess.

They should actually hope for a *faster* release for all the Primaris stuff - once it’s all out, GW will have time to move on to all those neglected lines!

Well yes. They obviously have planned this for years and have a ton of designs in various stages of production. Some people on Dakka whining is not going to stop GW from releasing them.

 Alpharius wrote:
once it’s all out, GW will have time to move on to all those neglected lines!

Nah, than they'll start working on the Primaris 2.0 line to make the current Primaris obsolete.

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The faster all of the Primaris marines are out, the faster old marines get kicked off the chair and get stuck in legends.

Then all the new marine codices lose 1/3 to 45% to 1/2 their content, getting rid of rules bloat.

Finally, old marine sculpts are split into two categories—kits saved for 30K and kits torn apart to fill randomized bits bags!

 Alpharius wrote:
Still, hopefully school starts up again soon the world round.

LOL. The best line of the week!

 Apple Peel wrote:
The faster all of the Primaris marines are out, the faster old marines get kicked off the chair and get stuck in legends.

Then all the new marine codices lose 1/3 to 45% to 1/2 their content, getting rid of rules bloat.

Finally, old marine sculpts are split into two categories—kits saved for 30K and kits torn apart to fill randomized bits bags!

Sounds good but that probably won’t happen until 9th drops.

Which isn’t that far away, I hear?

old marines aren't likely going anywhere anytime soon. a seperate "Ultima founding" codex that focuses purely on primaris I could see, but they'll keep support for old marines. GW's been careful to avoid obselerating any old marine stuff so far

Do folks really think the brand spanking new soace marine stuff like the flyers, centurions, dreadnoughts etc could not just be retconned into primaris stuff ? How do you know brother jiminy totally enclosed in the cockpit of his stormturducken is 9 feet tall instead of 8?

At a certain point, how do you come up with more marine plane concepts? you have a big flying tank with side-mounted machine guns, you've got a fighter jet, you've got an anti-ground strafing jet, you've got a stealth jet, you've got a big gunsy jet with the dark angels, you've got an assault plane with the space wolves.

What niche here isn't being filled by marine planes that a plane with literally no visible primaris marines at all that GW just says "This is Primaris Marine branded" could possibly fill?

8 feet rather than 7.

I like the silhouette of the speeder. It looks really chunky though.

Looks like some of the video blogs have picked up the story...

I’m pretty certain they won’t be Primaris bikes. Everything so far has been hover based for Primaris and those ones have wheels by the look of it, so seem more like the old ones. I’d be happy to be wrong though.

the_scotsman wrote:
Do folks really think the brand spanking new soace marine stuff like the flyers, centurions, dreadnoughts etc could not just be retconned into primaris stuff ? How do you know brother jiminy totally enclosed in the cockpit of his stormturducken is 9 feet tall instead of 8?

At a certain point, how do you come up with more marine plane concepts? you have a big flying tank with side-mounted machine guns, you've got a fighter jet, you've got an anti-ground strafing jet, you've got a stealth jet, you've got a big gunsy jet with the dark angels, you've got an assault plane with the space wolves.

What niche here isn't being filled by marine planes that a plane with literally no visible primaris marines at all that GW just says "This is Primaris Marine branded" could possibly fill?

We need a plastic primaris storm raven. Bigger, better proportions, a souped up version of the gun off the repulsor executioner on top, bunch of twin heavy bolter turrets scattered, carries a couple squads of troops and a dreadnought internally. In plastic.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Do folks really think the brand spanking new soace marine stuff like the flyers, centurions, dreadnoughts etc could not just be retconned into primaris stuff ? How do you know brother jiminy totally enclosed in the cockpit of his stormturducken is 9 feet tall instead of 8?

At a certain point, how do you come up with more marine plane concepts? you have a big flying tank with side-mounted machine guns, you've got a fighter jet, you've got an anti-ground strafing jet, you've got a stealth jet, you've got a big gunsy jet with the dark angels, you've got an assault plane with the space wolves.

What niche here isn't being filled by marine planes that a plane with literally no visible primaris marines at all that GW just says "This is Primaris Marine branded" could possibly fill?

We need a plastic primaris storm raven. Bigger, better proportions, a souped up version of the gun off the repulsor executioner on top, bunch of twin heavy bolter turrets scattered, carries a couple squads of troops and a dreadnought internally. In plastic.

Maybe the reason why we haven't seen a plastic Thunderhawk yet is because they've been waiting to make a PRIMARIS Thunderhawk!!!

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Maybe the reason why we haven't seen a plastic Thunderhawk yet is because they've been waiting to make a PRIMARIS Thunderhawk!!!

That is actually likely. It already exists in the fluff and is called Overlord.

per podcast with Jervis, there are going to be Primaris "waves" so why the heck are people surprised by this? Sure, we would all like our finecast crap replaced, totally agree there, but this old-marine replacement is real and will continue over the next few years. We had wave 1, then the Vanguard wave (which I loved much more than the original), and we were certainly expecting the Gravis wave next (is that a new gravis guy top left of pic?). It looks like we are also getting a fast attack wave now too.
I wouldn't expect to see this next wave until late or end of 2020 at the earliest though, so no reason to go completely bananas.

However, GW will soon be at that point where customers will see the inevitable and simply stop buying any old marine models. This may force their hand in making the replacement happen faster, who knows? I am now on an old-marine freeze after seeing this image. What I have in boxes will be the last non-primaris I buy for any of the 3 factions I have of marines (Dark Angels, Ravengurd, Deathwatch)

 Crimson wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Maybe the reason why we haven't seen a plastic Thunderhawk yet is because they've been waiting to make a PRIMARIS Thunderhawk!!!

That is actually likely. It already exists in the fluff and is called Overlord.

What, really? I was just being silly...

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Maybe the reason why we haven't seen a plastic Thunderhawk yet is because they've been waiting to make a PRIMARIS Thunderhawk!!!

That is actually likely. It already exists in the fluff and is called Overlord.

What, really? I was just being silly...

the overlord is mentioned in Dark Imperium, given the way it's described sounds like a bigger thunderhawk I doubt very much we'll see a 40k mini of it. I suspect if we see it in plastic we'll see a Imperial Aeronautica mini.

 bullyboy wrote:
per podcast with Jervis, there are going to be Primaris "waves" so why the heck are people surprised by this? Sure, we would all like our finecast crap replaced, totally agree there, but this old-marine replacement is real and will continue over the next few years. We had wave 1, then the Vanguard wave (which I loved much more than the original), and we were certainly expecting the Gravis wave next (is that a new gravis guy top left of pic?). It looks like we are also getting a fast attack wave now too.
I wouldn't expect to see this next wave until late or end of 2020 at the earliest though, so no reason to go completely bananas.

Nope. If this is a real image of a promo pic, it won't be that far out. Painting for promos happens last, and fairly near the announcement. If this is real and it doesn't happen by March, I'll be shocked. The most distant possibility is its the marine half of the '9e' starter set for summer. (with double skimmers or whatever), and a few supporting vehicles.

The surprise is coming from how quickly everything is cycling. From index to codex to shadowspear to codex 2 to PA updates to (possibly) yet even more. Given that part of the issue with releases recently has been a production backlog, seeing another pile of new kits didn't seem likely to anyone. Its only been two and a half years of pretty relentless updates.

Though I am reminded of the AoS initial release where there was very little and then Sigmarines got spammed relentlessly, to the point that now the only factions that come close are Cities of Sigmar and Legions of Nagash, which are mash-ups of old world factions. (The StD entry is still padded by the various collection deals and Warcry gangs). GW obviously believes the (Sig)marines are their business, regardless of game.

Blindhamster over on B&C has done some work to make the picture a bit less blurry http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/360829-primaris-land-speeder-bikers/page-7

Looks like the bikes are a one man affair and the heavy speeder has a crewed turret?