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 Kanluwen wrote:
Fairly big and apparently double-sided.

The what now

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Fairly big and apparently double-sided.

The what now

The Realmshaper Engine pieces are double sided so you can either build as the shown overgrown version (halfway through converting an area) or as a newly built version.

 DaveC wrote:
Price list -

Start Collecting Skinks €80 £60 $95
Start Collecting Gloomspite Gitz €80 £60 $95
Start Collecting Daughters of Khaine €70 £55 $90

Battletome Seraphon €32.50 £25 $40
Realmshaper Engine €45 £35 $60

Jesus... talk about an empty box. Bugger all in those SC boxes, and GW are charging top dollar for it. Oh well, fool's and their money are easily parted.

So if going by box contents alone with prices from GW shop:

- Daughters of Khaine content is worth 100€ (that is from 2 kits) so saving would be 30€.

- Gloomspite Gitz is 102.50€ from 3 kits. Least savings.

- Skins gives the most worth, 10 skinks can be counted as 15€ (1/2 from original kit) so it would end up as 126€ from 4 kits. Giving 46€ savings in neat box.



So go skink.

I kind of like the look of the Realmshaper Engine for the most part. The only part I'm not really a fan of are the 4 snake pillars. They are too recognizable while not feeling fully integrated into the rest of the piece. They basically look like they were kit bashed onto it. Also, I really wish they had an example of what the reversed clean sides look like.

New AoS elves with really good sculptures:



New Seraphon Battletome, terrain and SC! Skins:

 CMLR wrote:
New AoS elves with really good sculptures:



New Seraphon Battletome, terrain and SC! Skins:

Need to be a member of that forum to view, as far as I can tell.

its a clickbait to login in the forum...

 stonehorse wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Price list -

Start Collecting Skinks €80 £60 $95
Start Collecting Gloomspite Gitz €80 £60 $95
Start Collecting Daughters of Khaine €70 £55 $90

Battletome Seraphon €32.50 £25 $40
Realmshaper Engine €45 £35 $60

Jesus... talk about an empty box. Bugger all in those SC boxes, and GW are charging top dollar for it. Oh well, fool's and their money are easily parted.

The Skinks one is still a decent savings compared to individual boxes (the bastilodon comes free in essence), if that's *fair* price that's another thing.

Seraphon: The Rules on Warhammer Community.

FOR EVERYONE






STARBORNE ARMIES

Starborne forces represent the Azyrite Seraphon. Extremely mobile and blessed with the ability to summon new reinforcements to the battlefield, they’re flexible, powerful and excel at objective-based play or when using powerful casters like Slann Starmasters. Lords of Space and Time is their signature ability, letting you deliver key units to wherever they’re needed most.

COALESCED ARMIES

Coalesced armies represent the more savage, terrestrial Seraphon that have made their home in the Mortal Realms, and as such, they have gained several powerful advantages to their combat prowess. For example, whether you’re fielding Saurus, Stegadons or anything in between, you’ll get a helpful extra attack with any jaw-based weapons you’re using!

SUB-FACTIONS










TOP WARSCRILL CHANGES

BOUND ENDLESS SPELLS

Lots of armies in Warhammer Age of Sigmar now have Endless Spells, but the Seraphon have mastery over them like no other faction. Special “bound” versions of the standard Endless Spells found in the Malign Sorcery set offer the same powerful benefits as their counterparts, with a key twist – bound predatory endless spells can only be moved by a player using a Seraphon army. No more watching Purple Suns and Geminids of Uhl-Gysh crash into your own units – just utter magical destruction at your command!

Ehh, not sure if I like that background for the Lizardmen.

Slann temple-ships... this isn't 40K. We don't need starships in AOS, thank you.

 TBD wrote:
Ehh, not sure if I like that background for the Lizardmen.

Slann temple-ships... this isn't 40K. We don't need starships in AOS, thank you.

Lizardmen are going to be a bit like the Dragon Riders of Pern. A sci-fi faction "technically" but visually and functionally fantasy for the most part.

Also don't forget the Mortal Realms is a touch closer to Steam Punk than the Old World was - though the current Cities of Sigmar models don't really reflect that yet. In the stories they've already had walkers, steam type horses etc... Heck the Realm of Metal has living creatures born with pistons for muscles and such.


Remember much of the "spaceship" Lizardmen is more how they got to the Realms from the Old World. Heck one whole half of this new battletome army options is going to be basically "feral" Lizardmen. Those who aren't even on the Arkships any more and are living, breeding, breathing in the Mortal Realms

The Lizardmen spaceships have been around since the very start. There’s a picture of one in the original AoS core book, or one of the very early books at least.

Literally just finished re reading End Times Thanqual again and the “space ships” are the old Lustrian temples from the world that was that they used to escape Lustria when Morrslieb broke apart and basically destroyed a lot of the continent.
So they still are/ always have been star faring beings in essence

Pretty optimistic/hyped. Everything so far looks okay to pretty neat. I'm very curious about the Thunder Lizard Subfaction. I hope it's not locked to Starbourne or Coalesced.... But it'll be one or the other no doubt.

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Literally just finished re reading End Times Thanqual again and the “space ships” are the old Lustrian temples from the world that was that they used to escape Lustria when Morrslieb broke apart and basically destroyed a lot of the continent.
So they still are/ always have been star faring beings in essence

That sounds a lot better.

 TBD wrote:
Ehh, not sure if I like that background for the Lizardmen.

Slann temple-ships... this isn't 40K. We don't need starships in AOS, thank you.

Once again its ging back to the older lore when the wto rules sets were much closer and Amazons and Slann could have high tech weaponry. Lizardmen all the way up to 8th ed and the end used "magical" weapons that seemed to also be Lascannons, Power Swords etc.

The Temple-ships are from the End Times.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 TBD wrote:
Ehh, not sure if I like that background for the Lizardmen.

Slann temple-ships... this isn't 40K. We don't need starships in AOS, thank you.

Once again its ging back to the older lore when the wto rules sets were much closer and Amazons and Slann could have high tech weaponry. Lizardmen all the way up to 8th ed and the end used "magical" weapons that seemed to also be Lascannons, Power Swords etc.

The Temple-ships are from the End Times.

This. As explained above, they're not new lore. They've been in AOS since the beginning (And before). So it's not long they're adding anything

GaroRobe wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 TBD wrote:
Ehh, not sure if I like that background for the Lizardmen.

Slann temple-ships... this isn't 40K. We don't need starships in AOS, thank you.

Once again its ging back to the older lore when the wto rules sets were much closer and Amazons and Slann could have high tech weaponry. Lizardmen all the way up to 8th ed and the end used "magical" weapons that seemed to also be Lascannons, Power Swords etc.

The Temple-ships are from the End Times.

This. As explained above, they're not new lore. They've been in AOS since the beginning (And before). So it's not long they're adding anything

Bit more on one of the Temple Ships previosuly mentioned

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Aximahotl

Also, one of the more recent Horus Heresy novels has Eldrad killing a member of an older race while on a "temple of the old ones" that happened to be a ziggurat in a jungle.

 Kirasu wrote:
Also, one of the more recent Horus Heresy novels has Eldrad killing a member of an older race while on a "temple of the old ones" that happened to be a ziggurat in a jungle.

Wh if i recall looked like a big frog or toad??

Originally WHFB was just a world in 40k, Sigmar a lost Primarch, and the Old Ones which created the Slaan were the same Old Ones who fought the Necrons.

Anyways, I am really digging this expansion of the Seraphon fluff. It gives players a lot of what we've wanted while also avoiding a massive ret-con. Well done GW.

The rules content looks fun as well, excited to see more.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Originally WHFB was just a world in 40k, Sigmar a lost Primarch, and the Old Ones which created the Slaan were the same Old Ones who fought the Necrons.

Anyways, I am really digging this expansion of the Seraphon fluff. It gives players a lot of what we've wanted while also avoiding a massive ret-con. Well done GW.

The rules content looks fun as well, excited to see more.

Pretty sure Sigmar being a primarch is a fan theory. The Old Ones being the same Old Ones as in 40k is heavily implied though, at least in 7th - 8th ed.
I think it was also implied in the 6th ed lizardmen army book, but I don't want to dig it out to check.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Originally WHFB was just a world in 40k, Sigmar a lost Primarch, and the Old Ones which created the Slaan were the same Old Ones who fought the Necrons.

Anyways, I am really digging this expansion of the Seraphon fluff. It gives players a lot of what we've wanted while also avoiding a massive ret-con. Well done GW.

The rules content looks fun as well, excited to see more.

Pretty sure Sigmar being a primarch is a fan theory. The Old Ones being the same Old Ones as in 40k is heavily implied though, at least in 7th - 8th ed.
I think it was also implied in the 6th ed lizardmen army book, but I don't want to dig it out to check.

It's a pretty weak fan theory, since Sigmar was actually born. And since Fantasy predated 40k, it's not like he was ever meant to be a primarch. I mean, sure you can retcon that the twin tailed comet was actually his pod crashing to the old world, but the primarchs were all found eventually. No such thing as a missing primarch, just lost ones.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Originally WHFB was just a world in 40k, Sigmar a lost Primarch, and the Old Ones which created the Slaan were the same Old Ones who fought the Necrons.

Anyways, I am really digging this expansion of the Seraphon fluff. It gives players a lot of what we've wanted while also avoiding a massive ret-con. Well done GW.

The rules content looks fun as well, excited to see more.

Pretty sure Sigmar being a primarch is a fan theory. The Old Ones being the same Old Ones as in 40k is heavily implied though, at least in 7th - 8th ed.
I think it was also implied in the 6th ed lizardmen army book, but I don't want to dig it out to check.

Its definitely a fan theory, the HH books pretty easily spell out the "missing 2" were killed by Russ.

The point I was trying to make is that core background lore for Lizardmen and indeed the setting as whole has gone through dramatic changes since some of the earlier writing. Fluff from pre-2000s needs to be taken with a grain of salt since it may have been ret-conned some time ago. Details as to the exact nature of things would make for an interesting discussion but not one that is on-topic here.

Old ones are almost certainly the same species, since they came into Old World via dimensional gates. But there is no proof that Old World was part of 40k setting, merely connected via the Warp that connects all multiverse in GW lore.

As for the rules, I am happy so far, though I wished sauruses would get beefed up more. I'll wait and see for full rules of course.

Cronch wrote:
Old ones are almost certainly the same species, since they came into Old World via dimensional gates. But there is no proof that Old World was part of 40k setting, merely connected via the Warp that connects all multiverse in GW lore.

As for the rules, I am happy so far, though I wished sauruses would get beefed up more. I'll wait and see for full rules of course.

Hmmm the most recent reference to any sort of connection was about when 8th edition came out. The Hammerhall Herald noted a distinct lack of daemonic activity in the Mortal Realms “as if they had all gone somewhere else”, itself a reference to the Great Rift forming and the daemons rampaging everywhere.

Though the Herald is very tongue in cheek so it’s not a very serious lore connection.

Even Saurus can have -1 rend in their weapons but chaos warriors can't :(

GaroRobe wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 TBD wrote:
Ehh, not sure if I like that background for the Lizardmen.

Slann temple-ships... this isn't 40K. We don't need starships in AOS, thank you.

Once again its ging back to the older lore when the wto rules sets were much closer and Amazons and Slann could have high tech weaponry. Lizardmen all the way up to 8th ed and the end used "magical" weapons that seemed to also be Lascannons, Power Swords etc.

The Temple-ships are from the End Times.

This. As explained above, they're not new lore. They've been in AOS since the beginning (And before). So it's not long they're adding anything

Much before. There's a Slaan spaceship that gets recovered from the Chaos Wastes in one of the pre-Black Library anthologies (around 3rd/4th edition) [Edit: 'The Star Boat,' in Ignorant Armies, 1989]. This was back when Slaan were degenerate descendants of the Old Ones and didn't answer to anyone else- they were the ones who terraformed the old world and brought in elves, humans and dwarfs.

Lizards -not- having spaceships would be a bigger departure from the background.