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Cronch wrote:
The warscroll cards show tokens for 1 and 5 CCP, I assume it'll be coalescence points for summoning.

Celestial Conjuration Points.

Also, Warscroll shows that Seraphon have lost the Celestial and Daemon keywords. Big changes.

No Sheild ability on the Old Blood Warscroll, new Cold Ferocity ability, Wrath of the Seraphon replacing Paragon of Order as the Command ability, Bravery 8 now, improved save, more attacks, but weapon stats seem very similar.

Tokens mention some techy feel wording.

Terrain fluff/rule hint confirms that Seraphon are terraforming the realms to be more Jungly.

Always nice to see more Start Collecting boxes. Amused at how few Gitz are in the Gitz box though!
And the Bloodwrack Throne is a crazy miniature to be in such a small army. I think it looks silly that it is on wheels.

Interested in a new Seraphon battletome. I might pick it up. I was very disappointed with the last one, so I hope this is better.

The Daughters box seems to be in there just to highlight the throne's availability. The model has been 'temporarily out of stock' in the States for over a year now, and I suspect they want to push sales of it, and deal with its absurd price point at the same time by combining it with the medusas.

It isn't quite as odd as the fyreslayers box (which is the same price as their giant lizard, and has infantry besides), but it makes a lot more sense as a stock/pricing driven box rather than a rational starting point for building a Daughters of Khaine army.

Voss wrote:
The Daughters box seems to be in there just to highlight its availability. The model has been 'temporarily out of stock' in the States for over a year now, and I suspect they want to push sales of it, and deal with its absurd price point at the same time by combining it with the medusas.

It isn't quite as odd as the fyreslayers box (which is the same price as their giant lizard, and has infantry besides), but it makes a lot more sense as a stock/pricing driven box rather than a rational starting point for building a Daughters of Khaine army.

Just so we're on the same page:
The Fyreslayers Start Collecting box is the Magmadroth box. They no longer sell Magmadroths individually.

Please note – when you purchase this miniature, you’ll receive the Start Collecting! Fyreslayers box. This contains the complete Magmadroth kit, with all the options as described here, as well 10 Vulkite Berzerkers, for the same price

When it was available by itself, the Magmadroth was something like $110. The Carnosaur was in a similar situation for a decent chunk of time, but when the Seraphon box went up in price they just kept selling Carnosaurs for $85.

Does the Loon box look like £60 or £55?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Voss wrote:
The Daughters box seems to be in there just to highlight its availability. The model has been 'temporarily out of stock' in the States for over a year now, and I suspect they want to push sales of it, and deal with its absurd price point at the same time by combining it with the medusas.

It isn't quite as odd as the fyreslayers box (which is the same price as their giant lizard, and has infantry besides), but it makes a lot more sense as a stock/pricing driven box rather than a rational starting point for building a Daughters of Khaine army.

Just so we're on the same page:
The Fyreslayers Start Collecting box is the Magmadroth box. They no longer sell Magmadroths individually.

Please note – when you purchase this miniature, you’ll receive the Start Collecting! Fyreslayers box. This contains the complete Magmadroth kit, with all the options as described here, as well 10 Vulkite Berzerkers, for the same price

When it was available by itself, the Magmadroth was something like $110. The Carnosaur was in a similar situation for a decent chunk of time, but when the Seraphon box went up in price they just kept selling Carnosaurs for $85.

That's baffling. Then why keep it on the store page like they're selling it individually?

Much the same way GW keeps listings for units that are built from multikits and yet lists them each as their own option. It's most likely because it gets more attention and also grasps the attention of those going for a big signature model like that.


Seraphon is fantastic news and the newer twist to them becoming corporal living creatures I think is a welcome move. It leaves the door wide open for so many story options that don't have to involve a Slaan nearby.
Also when Seraphon come it marks the 2.0 completion of AoS which is a massive moment for the game in its history!

No new models is a shame, but at the same time lets not forget that most armies in AoS didn't get any new models or only got one token model. There's armies worse off than seraphon for finecast and metals.



DoK getting started set is a good set, though I expect it to be up there at the £60 bracket, but a very welcome set. I can well see them selling strongly as, noted above, it has all the non-morathi heroes inside. It's just such a key cornerstone of the army.

Liking the new SC! sets but the DoK box seems a bit cheeky, a cauldron and five of the snake archer thingies... aren't the other models there just left over/optional bits from the... er, cauldron kit?

Then there the Lizardmen scenery... looks disappointingly diminutive and squished together size/dimension wise, especially lined up next ot a skink!

The Cauldron Kit makes a lot depending how you build it

Eg

A)
1 Cauldron with Slaughter Queen
1 Hag Queen
1 Bloodwrack Medusa

B)
1 Cauldron with Hag Queen
1 Slaughter Queen
1 Bloodwrack Medusa

C)
1 Bloodwrack Shrine
1 Slaughter Queen
1 Hag Queen
1 Avatar of Khaine

D)
1 Slaughter Queen
1 Hag Queen
1 Bloodwrack Medusa
1 Avatar of Khaine
Assorted cauldron bits.

If you add magnets then you can swap things over as much as you want/need

Excited for new fluff and that new terrain piece, it looks great and I'm looking forward to seeing what my Seraphon buds do with it.

Is this replacing the current Seraphon start collecting box? Is it worth grabbing a couple of the current one while it's still available if I'm thinking about Seraphon?

 Overread wrote:
The Cauldron Kit makes a lot depending how you build it

Spoiler:

Eg

A)
1 Cauldron with Slaughter Queen
1 Hag Queen
1 Bloodwrack Medusa

B)
1 Cauldron with Hag Queen
1 Slaughter Queen
1 Bloodwrack Medusa

C)
1 Bloodwrack Shrine
1 Slaughter Queen
1 Hag Queen
1 Avatar of Khaine

D)
1 Slaughter Queen
1 Hag Queen
1 Bloodwrack Medusa
1 Avatar of Khaine
Assorted cauldron bits.

If you add magnets then you can swap things over as much as you want/need

And of course they advertised the one which resulted in the largest number of individual models, so that they can proudly display that the box contains "9 Citadel Miniatures". Not entirely sure why they put that on the box in big print; not exactly makes it look like good value for all these recent sets that have only a handful of models in them...

That said, it is indeed a nice and flexible kit in that sense. Doesn't just have leftover bits, but leftover bits that are actually directly useful.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Is this replacing the current Seraphon start collecting box? Is it worth grabbing a couple of the current one while it's still available if I'm thinking about Seraphon?

GW won't keep both on sale so chances are the old one will cycle out and retire. So if you want them I'd grab them right now as chances are the stock will only reduce - probably pretty fast as it basically gives you a lot of core infantry and cavalry and a huge dinosaur. It's actually curious that GW would replace it, then again it might be that they are planning to remodel the models in that box in the future (eg new cavalry) so they are withdrawing that box now and releasing a new collecting set. Of coures this plan could be years off and it might even be that its not considered economical for them, esp as they sell the mounted dinosaur for just as much as the collecting set.

Same goes for any finecast or metal models still in their range if you like them. Don't forget 2.0 battletome releases are still a time when GW might remove models from the army. Seraphon might be like Skaven and not lose anything or they could lose things. There is no way to tell.

Every DoK player I know is livid about the SC centering on the damn Shrine again just like every single DoK bundle before it instead of making Wyches affordable.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Every DoK player I know is livid about the SC centering on the damn Shrine again just like every single DoK bundle before it instead of making Wyches affordable.

Yeah but lets face it, every DoK current player isn't the target of a start collecting set. The set itself is fantastic for anyone starting DoK or who hasn't got that far with their army yet. As a set its a very good deal

Start Collecting is designed for new players to a faction to get a feel for that particular range models and painting/getting to grips with them in a very easy and basic way.

The DoK ones really show the varied models and approach and seems pretty awesome/flashy for an introduction to a new faction. Most SC now days focus on that, a generic 'infantry' unit, a cavalry or hero, then a big centre piece and a leader hero type unit.

Though for new player would affordable wyches be even better deal...how many of this you need to buy? Compred to wyches.

Been thinking of DoK army but until wyches comes in more affordable price as if.

GW won't keep both on sale

GW currently has two starters for Stormcast, and two (one demon one mortal) for Nurgle and Khorne. Considering both skinks and sauruses are significantly different unit types, there is no reason why they won't keep both. Note the new one is called "SC: Skink" not Seraphon.
We both know GW is not replacing the decrepit saurus models any time soon, or they'd do it now, so I bet the 2-box thing will stay.

Cronch wrote:

GW won't keep both on sale

GW currently has two starters for Stormcast, and two (one demon one mortal) for Nurgle and Khorne. Considering both skinks and sauruses are significantly different unit types, there is no reason why they won't keep both. Note the new one is called "SC: Skink" not Seraphon.
We both know GW is not replacing the decrepit saurus models any time soon, or they'd do it now, so I bet the 2-box thing will stay.

But they’ve removed the older Khorne warband, I grabbed the last one at Miniature Market. It had 3 mortal juggernaut riders a hero and 10 warriors. The new Slaves to darkness box will replace the old start collecting box , I think it’ll just take time as the old box has not as shiny models in it. The fact that Stormcast have multiple boxes is because they have different chambers.it would be like saying marines have multiple start collecting boxes and showing a blood angel box, a space wolf box and a raven guard box. They are different entirely.

Space Marines DO have multiple Start Collecting sets though? One classic, one Primaris. Space Wolves also have two in the same vein.

Stormcast Chambers are all found in the same book and play the same army, so the comparison with different flavours of Marines doesn't even work.

And the original Khorne Bloodbound set is only gone because it was replaced by a new one, which continues to exist alongside the Daemons of Khorne set.

So yeah, I'd be decently confident that the Skinks SC set won't replace the current one.

Stormcast are a bit of a special case and I think that GW was originally going to make them identical to marines in so much as having different Chambers released as separate armies in their own right. Much like how marines have their own Chapters

I think GW abandoned that idea and is instead going for a wider selection of fantasy races, however I suspect work on the two Getting Started sets was far enough along that they couldn't stop it. So instead of stopping, they let it complete and just shifted things around in the book so that they were all one single army.


Two SC sets is still very rare for GW,I'm still of the view the old one will go; which is the standard mode of operation for GW for the vast majority of their armies. One or two exceptions doesn't change that.

Of course only time will tell, its impossible to predict GW's actions

It's worth noting that most factions lack the internal diversity to make multiple Start Collecting boxes worthwhile. For most factions, across AoS and 40K, it wouldn't make sense to have multiple boxes that ultimately build the same army. Other than Space Marines, where we already see it happening, Drukhari are the only exception in 40K, with the Kabalite / Wych Cult / Haemonculus Coven divide.

Where it does make sense in AoS, we see it just as much as we don't. Stormcast, Khorne, Nurgle, Legions of Nagash, and Cities of Sigmar all have multiple sets, Tzeentch Mortals, Clan Verminus, and Bonesplitterz could have sets but don't, Gutbusters and Clan Skryre couldn't until their recent plastic hero releases, and now Skinks might have theirs.

I fully expect the Sacrosanct Chamber to receive one eventually too, likely in the form of their half of Soul Wars (with Nighthaunt getting a SC of their own).

But yes, GW certainly has a well earned reputation for unpredictability. The biggest cause for doubt that Start Collecting: Skinks will be a standalone box is that it just makes too much sense.


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Guess that's settled then

Seraphon: The Lore on Warhammer Community gives some new info on the history of the Seraphon in the Mortal Realms.

Price list -

Start Collecting Skinks €80 £60 $95
Start Collecting Gloomspite Gitz €80 £60 $95
Start Collecting Daughters of Khaine €70 £55 $90

Battletome Seraphon €32.50 £25 $40
Realmshaper Engine €45 £35 $60

DoK one surprises me as I'd have thought that would easily have been another £60 set!

 Overread wrote:

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Is this replacing the current Seraphon start collecting box? Is it worth grabbing a couple of the current one while it's still available if I'm thinking about Seraphon?

GW won't keep both on sale so chances are the old one will cycle out and retire. So if you want them I'd grab them right now as chances are the stock will only reduce - probably pretty fast as it basically gives you a lot of core infantry and cavalry and a huge dinosaur.

Ehhh I don't think GW will replace the Seraphon box currently out there. I mean the new Start Collecting box is labelled "Skinks" not "Seraphon" so I think they will keep both.

Both Seraphon boxes being available concurrently is pretty epic.

 DaveC wrote:
Price list -

Start Collecting Skinks €80 £60 $95
Start Collecting Gloomspite Gitz €80 £60 $95
Start Collecting Daughters of Khaine €70 £55 $90

Battletome Seraphon €32.50 £25 $40
Realmshaper Engine €45 £35 $60

Ouch. $60 for the Terrain. That's rough.

Fairly big and apparently double-sided.

Daughters of Khaine has some cool miniatures in it, but I agree that Wych Elves would have made more sense. However, Start Collecting sets are the best thing GW has done in AGES so I am not gonna complain about them!

The Temple thing, is a bit of a meh from me. A stepped temple is one of the easiest terrain pieces to make yourself, and it can look pretty decent with minimal effort. I think the GW one is alright but it is a bit small and toy like to my eyes and I dislike the magical doodad on the top. Still, options for people who don't like to make their own terrain are always good.