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Never a fan of mallet as a weapons....they look like toy weapons....well they're toy after all...

Jackal90 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:Atia has been spot on with stuff for a long time.
To me, one of the few trusted sources.

If that were the case then the wording would be different.
“I’m afraid they are endless spells” - saying they are.
“I’m afraid they might be endless spells” - unsure.

Atia also only tends to post what’s known, rather than ideas or thoughts.

I’d more than happily put money on it being a spell.



Edit: how it looks isn’t really important though in terms of guessing what it is.
Loads of spells look like models or units but aren’t.

ImAGeek wrote:I still don’t think the ‘rumours’ actually meant she’s an endless spell. It was Atia on the War of Sigmar blog saying ‘I am afraid they are endless spells’ which to me could also just read ‘I’m worried they’re just endless spells’. Unless it’s come from somewhere else as well. I don’t know how much insight Atia even has these days, it’s been a long time since I saw anything actually new from there.

It really just looks like a model, not an endless spell.

What Lady Atia said on War of Sigmar was "These look cool but i am afraid these last 3 are in fact Endless spells.". The use of "... in fact..." clinches it for me that she knows and that it is a fact that these are Endless Spells.

Completely missed that part as I haven’t read it since it was first said, but yea, it does help cement it.

There is one reason to still believe Atia is wrong about those 3 images being Endless Spells.. and that's the fact that the banner among them is clearly the standard of the Stoneguard infantry Elite, and thus that one is certainly not an Endless spell. So I think she could still very much be a character model still, Lumineth are meant to have 4 elemental aspects to their culture and so far only really prominent one they've shown off is the Mountain, nothing about River, Wind or Zephyr yet, so I think she could still be a Wind or River mage sorta person and not an Endless spell.

Very much not my thing but I wouldn't call them bad. Now if my dwarfs could get that kind of love...

GenRifDrake wrote:

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Jackal90 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:Atia has been spot on with stuff for a long time.
To me, one of the few trusted sources.

If that were the case then the wording would be different.
“I’m afraid they are endless spells” - saying they are.
“I’m afraid they might be endless spells” - unsure.

Atia also only tends to post what’s known, rather than ideas or thoughts.

I’d more than happily put money on it being a spell.



Edit: how it looks isn’t really important though in terms of guessing what it is.
Loads of spells look like models or units but aren’t.

ImAGeek wrote:I still don’t think the ‘rumours’ actually meant she’s an endless spell. It was Atia on the War of Sigmar blog saying ‘I am afraid they are endless spells’ which to me could also just read ‘I’m worried they’re just endless spells’. Unless it’s come from somewhere else as well. I don’t know how much insight Atia even has these days, it’s been a long time since I saw anything actually new from there.

It really just looks like a model, not an endless spell.

What Lady Atia said on War of Sigmar was "These look cool but i am afraid these last 3 are in fact Endless spells.". The use of "... in fact..." clinches it for me that she knows and that it is a fact that these are Endless Spells.

Completely missed that part as I haven’t read it since it was first said, but yea, it does help cement it.

There is one reason to still believe Atia is wrong about those 3 images being Endless Spells.. and that's the fact that the banner among them is clearly the standard of the Stoneguard infantry Elite, and thus that one is certainly not an Endless spell. So I think she could still very much be a character model still, Lumineth are meant to have 4 elemental aspects to their culture and so far only really prominent one they've shown off is the Mountain, nothing about River, Wind or Zephyr yet, so I think she could still be a Wind or River mage sorta person and not an Endless spell.

Yup, so it is.

First endless spell unit confirmed

Its kind of weird.
I don't hate the greater cow deamons.
But I'm really drawing a blank on how they *fit* with the army even with bull helmets.
"Paint them the same colour" seems to be doing a lot of heavy lifting.

Jackal90 wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
Mountain cow looks like a bad Wraith Knight kitbash.

And the Elves with croquet mallets

I can't think of a much less Elven weapon than a hammer.

From the way they were explaining it, they don’t swing them wildly like others.
Just used for precision strikes to kill efficiently.
Basically swordmasters but with hammers.

Whereas everyone else wielding a hammer is deliberately being inefficient in trying to overcome their opponent?

Elves, to me, have always been summed up by elegance. They can probably wield a hammer more elegantly than any other race, but that is not, at heart, what they are designed for. Moreover, it's a weapon incredibly closely associated with their diametric opposites - Dwarves. It's just plain weird to see hammer elves, whatever half-baked justification the developers have come up with.

If the cow peeps are mountain spirits and their followers maybe the others follow different spirits?

I'd like some fire spirit guys.

The cow-man reminds me of Warcraft.
Warcraft started off as a knock-off / homage to Warhammer, which means we've come full circle.

Now all we need is for Blizzard to be inspired by Age of Sigmar, and we'll be a step closer to a perpetual motion engine

In a way its nice to see elves using hammers and not just elegant blades. It's something new and different. Plus in AoS you can bet hammers are likely one of the best weapons to pick.

With all the thick armour and huge beasts around a hammer or mace is likely far superior than a sword. Why slice when you can crush, pummel, buckle and break. Bend and dent the armour in; shatter bone and break past hide.



I'm all for GW giving some elements from the old HE - perhaps eagles for those lofty peaks - or dragons. But giving them these new heavy hitters with hammers is, to me, a nice way for GW to give them their own identity and direction in the game. They are going somewhere new for the aelves.



If you want lithe dancing aelves you've got the Daughters of Khaine who take the elegance and lithe ability to 11. They don't even wear any real armour; they dance out of the way of their opponents blades; darting within their range; slicing and cutting and stabbing and generally murdering with brutal strikes with the accuracy of a surgeon.

I like seeing something different for Aelves, even if it’s just giving them a weapon they don’t traditionally use.

The Cowntain reminds me of MTG artwork, especially some of the stranger white mana aligned critters they've designed over the years. It has the air of serenity and the color scheme to match, too.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
The Cowntain reminds me of MTG artwork, especially some of the stranger white mana aligned critters they've designed over the years. It has the air of serenity and the color scheme to match, too.

You know, now that you say it I totally see the image.


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The cow-man reminds me of Warcraft.
Warcraft started off as a knock-off / homage to Warhammer, which means we've come full circle.

Now all we need is for Blizzard to be inspired by Age of Sigmar, and we'll be a step closer to a perpetual motion engine

Late to the party mate, Warhammer and Warcraft have been taking inspiration off one another for decades. That full circle has gone around many times over.

Definitely not what I expected – AoS keeps surprising me with every new release. MIght still pick up the cavalry.

Alarith is just made to be alternative Keeper of Secret

Who knows! Maybe Lumineth elfs are secrectly Slaanesh mortals we have been waiting for...

The almost 'totemic' nature of what was described puts a bullet in the head of that nonsense right off the bat.

Slaanesh has long had certain elf-like aspects and strong ties to elves (or space elves) in the fluff, so it is appropriate that there is a certain similarity.

Yep just like the Yncarne in 40k. Its not the Elves that look a bit Slaansh. Its Slaanesh that looks a bit Elvish.

 sockwithaticket wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
Mountain cow looks like a bad Wraith Knight kitbash.

And the Elves with croquet mallets

I can't think of a much less Elven weapon than a hammer.

From the way they were explaining it, they don’t swing them wildly like others.
Just used for precision strikes to kill efficiently.
Basically swordmasters but with hammers.

Whereas everyone else wielding a hammer is deliberately being inefficient in trying to overcome their opponent?

Elves, to me, have always been summed up by elegance. They can probably wield a hammer more elegantly than any other race, but that is not, at heart, what they are designed for. Moreover, it's a weapon incredibly closely associated with their diametric opposites - Dwarves. It's just plain weird to see hammer elves, whatever half-baked justification the developers have come up with.

No, there’s a difference to swinging a weapon around like a mad man and making timed, precise strikes.

Also, I agree, it’s not that fitting and the actual hammers to me look just plain weird.
I’d have rather seen them with cavalry style hammers as they are far smaller.

We were promised Pointy Elves, but what’s this I see?! A bunch of blunted horns! And hammers! Where are the gosh dang Pointy Bits!?

The mallets are pretty comical, but looking at them it seems like it would be easy enough to swap them for a more practical mace or axe head.

It's the giant beastman things that put me off, I'm not sure what could be done to make them look more appealing.

 sockwithaticket wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
Mountain cow looks like a bad Wraith Knight kitbash.

And the Elves with croquet mallets

I can't think of a much less Elven weapon than a hammer.

From the way they were explaining it, they don’t swing them wildly like others.
Just used for precision strikes to kill efficiently.
Basically swordmasters but with hammers.

Whereas everyone else wielding a hammer is deliberately being inefficient in trying to overcome their opponent?

Elves, to me, have always been summed up by elegance. They can probably wield a hammer more elegantly than any other race

Actually, they'd struggle to wield them at all, let alone elegantly. Even if they were strong enough to heft them in the first place (doubtful), it wouldn't matter because the first time they tried to swing them they'd have to make a choice between letting go or maintaining their grip and being thrown flat on their face.

 vipoid wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
Mountain cow looks like a bad Wraith Knight kitbash.

And the Elves with croquet mallets

I can't think of a much less Elven weapon than a hammer.

From the way they were explaining it, they don’t swing them wildly like others.
Just used for precision strikes to kill efficiently.
Basically swordmasters but with hammers.

Whereas everyone else wielding a hammer is deliberately being inefficient in trying to overcome their opponent?

Elves, to me, have always been summed up by elegance. They can probably wield a hammer more elegantly than any other race

Actually, they'd struggle to wield them at all, let alone elegantly. Even if they were strong enough to heft them in the first place (doubtful), it wouldn't matter because the first time they tried to swing them they'd have to make a choice between letting go or maintaining their grip and being thrown flat on their face.

These guys are apparently infused with the power of the mountains (lesser extent of the battle cattle) so that may make it easier for them.
I’d still rather a small cavalry hammer though if they needed hammers.

Jackal90 wrote:

These guys are apparently infused with the power of the mountains (lesser extent of the battle cattle) so that may make it easier for them.
I’d still rather a small cavalry hammer though if they needed hammers.

I think hammers with more reasonably sized heads would have looked a lot better.

Even for non-Elves, I've never liked the aesthetics of 'giant mallet' weapons.

 vipoid wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

These guys are apparently infused with the power of the mountains (lesser extent of the battle cattle) so that may make it easier for them.
I’d still rather a small cavalry hammer though if they needed hammers.

I think hammers with more reasonably sized heads would have looked a lot better.

Even for non-Elves, I've never liked the aesthetics of 'giant mallet' weapons.

That’s what’s getting me.
It’s more of a damn mallet lol.
The croquet memes will be floating about soon.

I’d have expected hammers like the old white lions cavalry.
If you have strength infused from a mountain, surely a smaller head on the hammer would produce far more damage.

I really like where the Lumineth are going with these new reveals. The initial stuff seemed kinda a tame kinda usual elf stuff, but this stuff gives them some zazz. I am not looking to start anymore armies for a good long while. However, this faction would be in the running against Ironjaws for me. The best I can hope is someone locally digs them enough to start them up so I can at least play against them.

 vipoid wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

These guys are apparently infused with the power of the mountains (lesser extent of the battle cattle) so that may make it easier for them.
I’d still rather a small cavalry hammer though if they needed hammers.

I think hammers with more reasonably sized heads would have looked a lot better.

Even for non-Elves, I've never liked the aesthetics of 'giant mallet' weapons.

Same.

A 'warhammer' looks a lot more like a modern hammer for nails (straighten the back and optionally add a spike on top) than a croquet mallet. A large surface area is nigh-useless, and a big head makes it practically unusable.
If you want to break bones, get a mace (woefully under-represented by GW), a warhammer is a compact anti-armor weapon.

Voss wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

These guys are apparently infused with the power of the mountains (lesser extent of the battle cattle) so that may make it easier for them.
I’d still rather a small cavalry hammer though if they needed hammers.

I think hammers with more reasonably sized heads would have looked a lot better.

Even for non-Elves, I've never liked the aesthetics of 'giant mallet' weapons.

Same.

A 'warhammer' looks a lot more like a modern hammer for nails (straighten the back and optionally add a spike on top) than a croquet mallet. A large surface area is nigh-useless, and a big head makes it practically unusable.
If you want to break bones, get a mace (woefully under-represented by GW), a warhammer is a compact anti-armor weapon.

I honestly think that weapon wouldn’t fit any current GW model.
It just looks too comical.
Sure, stormcasts have far larger hammers, but they fit their looks just fine, even if they are near useless for causing damage.

And true, maces cause absurd damage, much like morning stars.
Again, another weapon that GW portrays as fething cannon balls hanging from chains when in reality they were far smaller lol.

 vipoid wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

These guys are apparently infused with the power of the mountains (lesser extent of the battle cattle) so that may make it easier for them.
I’d still rather a small cavalry hammer though if they needed hammers.

I think hammers with more reasonably sized heads would have looked a lot better.

Even for non-Elves, I've never liked the aesthetics of 'giant mallet' weapons.

Keep in mind the scale of GW miniatures is not true; items like weapons are up-scaled to make their details more apparent and for aesthetics. Note how, bar a few exceptions, weapon proportions in the art are much more reasonable.

I hope to see some nice KoS / King of the Mountain mashups in the near future.