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 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Which draw technique? The figures appear to show two different types - some have one finger on the string either side of the arrow, another showing the arrow held between thumb and index finger with no fingers on the string itself.
Can't say I'm too worried about that or the endless debate over having the arrow rest on the thumb or a groove on the right side of the bow though, given the context of the impossible triple-stringed bow (well, impossible if the string isn't an elastic band). Was wondering if they'd look better once I got used to them, but.. turns out no. Spearelves look pretty ace though. Will look excellent as a dense formation (probably better on smaller bases than those supplied).

Look like a pinch draw, another self-taught technique, not to be confused with the mongolian thumb draw.

All they have to do is have the model lean and tilt the bow a bit to the left and the problem would be solved.

Also having multiple string added nothing, only 1 string will be the one sending energy to the arrow, while the other 2 to the bow limb, which will break the bow as it's the equivalent of dry firing. Let's just say it's proven Telic isn't the brightest of mind among the Aelves, but luckily he got some magic shenanigan to help this time.

All they have to do is have the model lean and tilt the bow a bit to the left and the problem would be solved.

What problem, they all seem to be posed decently? tilting the bow would look funny.

Anyway, big oof on the teclis, and still not happy about the infantry prices. Still going to collect maybe 1500pts of them, but over the course of a year. And teclis the prune is plain out of buying queue.

And how on earth are those warscroll cards so expensive, the army has ten units and 3 spells...

I like each individual part of the Teclis model.

It's just that those parts don't appear to go together.

Probably will have to do something like this to fix it.

 McMagnus Mindbullets wrote:
They're really really inflating costs for these guys. 25 pounds is a lot yet they have to stretch the character to 26.50. and nearly 40 for a box of TEN GUYS?!

It is a case where the quality of miniature really comes into play. I agree it is a bit much, but divide the cost by 10 and realize people readily pay that for single miniatures of lower quality to use in RPGs.



As for the archers, I am assuming magic; the upper three strings are indeed elastic and their properties can be magically altered by the user when firing.

You know people are gonna cry rigged when someone is getting hammered by a Realmlords army using these!

For a single miniature it makes sense. For basic rank and file, not so much.

And then we'll have pages of people doing stats and maths and trying to prove which is more statistically random - the common D6 or the er log 6?

John D Law wrote:
You know people are gonna cry rigged when someone is getting hammered by a Realmlords army using these!

I've been using a set in this style for over 10 years and no one's ever complained yet.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 McMagnus Mindbullets wrote:
They're really really inflating costs for these guys. 25 pounds is a lot yet they have to stretch the character to 26.50. and nearly 40 for a box of TEN GUYS?!

It is a case where the quality of miniature really comes into play. I agree it is a bit much, but divide the cost by 10 and realize people readily pay that for single miniatures of lower quality to use in RPGs.



As for the archers, I am assuming magic; the upper three strings are indeed elastic and their properties can be magically altered by the user when firing.

Theres no sane reason for the difference in miniature=€ for Morterk Guard and Lumineth Spearmen. Of course that will be fixed by GW , halving the miniatures in the Morterk Guard box.

Wardens have a good bit more surface to them than mortek guard, between the larger shield and larger weapon. Still think 20/box would be fair though, so I don't disagree with you

I don't think this is a very popular army. Pretty much every game store I've been to has multiple copies of the launch box gathering dust on the shelf.

 Phobos wrote:
I don't think this is a very popular army. Pretty much every game store I've been to has multiple copies of the launch box gathering dust on the shelf.

Unless you're willing to actively part it out, there's not really much reason to buy duplicates.
Light of Eltharion is a unique model and $40.
Wardens are $60 for 10.
Dawnriders will probably be $50 for 5.
And then there's the extraneous stuff(the counters, dice, and LE army book) that you probably aren't going to need a lot of.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

John D Law wrote:
You know people are gonna cry rigged when someone is getting hammered by a Realmlords army using these!

I've been using a set in this style for over 10 years and no one's ever complained yet.

Have you used them for Warhammer? If so, how is it to roll a bunch of them at once? I’m slightly concerned they’ll be awkward.

How much people expected them to cost? This price is atm gw's price for 10 guys and gw isn't exactly known for lowering price...

I for once expected them to cost the same as say Idoneth Namarti, not the same as Witch Elves priced under Kirby's darkest hours.

Idoneth is old release. GW keeps upping prices per SKU round. 35£ for 10 is the current price. It's just matter of time before new SKU comes with 40£ for 10 and then it's that for new released until it goes up.

You don't get Idoneth level prices for any new release anymore. Just hope Idoneth doesn't get SKU change(say with reboxing) least they get price upped as well.

Also don't forget Luminoth hit the shelves almost at the worst possible time because Corona shut GW and the world down. So instead of following up the starter box with a full release, Luminoth got stuck half out the door. What with Indomitus and other things then coming first they've had basically a half year period waiting for their full release. I suspect a lot of people were waiting for the "full" release before going for the boxed set or at least wanting to see 360 views and real world views of other models in the range.


So its no surprise that some of their stock was slow to shift.


That said we've seen this before, unless the army out the door is broken in balance (eg Daughters of Khaine) then the uptake of a brand new army can be somewhat slower. It takes time for people to want a new army when they've already got others and for new people to filter into the game. Also I think we have to shed the idea that if GW doesn't "sell out" then its been a bad release. Sometimes they are going to sell out and we complain that they didn't make enough stock; other times they aren't. Heck its arguable that GW didn't sell out of Indomitus as there's still stock around on the highstreet stores. Even now I still see it being posted on FB groups that a store has a stack of boxes still for sale.

The LRL box was horrible because it was a SC! box that sold for 2x the price because of a "fancy" (horrible in other words, the faux velvet cover is already stained as opposed to normal hardcover) battletome and literal useless doodahs. Compared it to the SoB box for the same price...

tneva82 wrote:
Idoneth is old release. GW keeps upping prices per SKU round. 35£ for 10 is the current price. It's just matter of time before new SKU comes with 40£ for 10 and then it's that for new released until it goes up.

You don't get Idoneth level prices for any new release anymore. Just hope Idoneth doesn't get SKU change(say with reboxing) least they get price upped as well.

Vulkites are older than Idoneth and they were £35 for ten and their characters were £18. GW seemed to realise they outpriced their audience given how poorly they sold (although this was still AoS 1.0) and so most of the standard infantry released after that remained around the £30, including the Idoneth.

Lumineth are in a somewhat unique situation where they've directly sold as a spiritual successor to the High Elves, who next to Warriors of Chaos were WHFB's most popular army and it's no secret there's been a good amount of hype surrounding them. They probably figured they can take the mick and people would still buy them, especially when they've done so well out of Covid.

 Phobos wrote:
I don't think this is a very popular army. Pretty much every game store I've been to has multiple copies of the launch box gathering dust on the shelf.

The launch box was kind of crap unless you absolutely needed some models RIGHT NOW (which to be fair, is how a lot of GW fans are) or you were somebody who planned to buy the limited edition codex anyway. The big boxes only really do well when there's at least one limited edition model that will only be available in that set, otherwise people are generally happy to wait until a general release. Indomitus and the Sisters box probably wouldn't have sold out almost instantly if GW hadn't pushed the, "AND THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET THESE EXCLUSIVE SPECIAL LIMITED SCULPTS EVER AGAIN!"

Are there Warcry rules for these guys?

 Crimson wrote:
Are there Warcry rules for these guys?

Yes in White Dwarf 454. They'll probably be reprinted in the Tome of Champions 2020.

 Arbitrator wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Idoneth is old release. GW keeps upping prices per SKU round. 35£ for 10 is the current price. It's just matter of time before new SKU comes with 40£ for 10 and then it's that for new released until it goes up.

You don't get Idoneth level prices for any new release anymore. Just hope Idoneth doesn't get SKU change(say with reboxing) least they get price upped as well.

Vulkites are older than Idoneth and they were £35 for ten and their characters were £18. GW seemed to realise they outpriced their audience given how poorly they sold (although this was still AoS 1.0) and so most of the standard infantry released after that remained around the £30, including the Idoneth.

Lumineth are in a somewhat unique situation where they've directly sold as a spiritual successor to the High Elves, who next to Warriors of Chaos were WHFB's most popular army and it's no secret there's been a good amount of hype surrounding them. They probably figured they can take the mick and people would still buy them, especially when they've done so well out of Covid.

 Phobos wrote:
I don't think this is a very popular army. Pretty much every game store I've been to has multiple copies of the launch box gathering dust on the shelf.

The launch box was kind of crap unless you absolutely needed some models RIGHT NOW (which to be fair, is how a lot of GW fans are) or you were somebody who planned to buy the limited edition codex anyway. The big boxes only really do well when there's at least one limited edition model that will only be available in that set, otherwise people are generally happy to wait until a general release. Indomitus and the Sisters box probably wouldn't have sold out almost instantly if GW hadn't pushed the, "AND THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET THESE EXCLUSIVE SPECIAL LIMITED SCULPTS EVER AGAIN!"

That's not a thing. That was never a thing that they said. Everyone knew that the indomitus models were essentially just mono-pose versions of kits that were going to come out later or new versions of characters people already have and don't need more of. Same with the Necrons. The box sold as well as it did because it was a decent whack of new(subjectively very cool) models for a fairly reasonable price (including the book). Literally not one person on the entire planet bought it thinking they'd never be able to get the sculpts ever again.

The sisters boxset was going to sell insanely well no matter what simply because it was what it was. Everyone who wanted to play sisters basically had to buy the box because it was the only place you could get models for months. It was also a slight discount when you included the codex, which was nice.

The fact that that box is the only place you can get those specific sculpts was largely irrelevant.

The Lumineth launch box was a good deal if you wanted to start the army right out of the gate. Dawnriders are likely to be $50, Wardens are $60, and Light of Eltharion is $40.
That's $150 right there.
Standard army book is $40

Realm Lord Army Pack was $185.
The only two items that you can't really do as repeats are the book and Light of Eltharion, so that's $80 that is effectively 'meh' to anyone who would be doing repeat buys.

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

John D Law wrote:
You know people are gonna cry rigged when someone is getting hammered by a Realmlords army using these!

I've been using a set in this style for over 10 years and no one's ever complained yet.

Have you used them for Warhammer? If so, how is it to roll a bunch of them at once? I’m slightly concerned they’ll be awkward.

I have yeah. I mean, it's no different than standard dice. Just don't throw them overly hard so they don't knock into anything and you're fine. If anything, they roll more than standard cubes due to the cylindrical shape.

Cronch wrote:
The LRL box was horrible because it was a SC! box that sold for 2x the price because of a "fancy" (horrible in other words, the faux velvet cover is already stained as opposed to normal hardcover) battletome and literal useless doodahs. Compared it to the SoB box for the same price...

Your subjective opinion =/= actual value of the product.

Second/final wave of Shiny Pointy-Eared Gits goes up on pre-order next week - WHC Article.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The Lumineth launch box was a good deal if you wanted to start the army right out of the gate. Dawnriders are likely to be $50, Wardens are $60, and Light of Eltharion is $40.
That's $150 right there.
Standard army book is $40

Realm Lord Army Pack was $185.
The only two items that you can't really do as repeats are the book and Light of Eltharion, so that's $80 that is effectively 'meh' to anyone who would be doing repeat buys.

Exactly. The value was there, for the first purchase. For repeat buys it is not, something done differently with the Lumineth box than GW's normal army/starter bundles. In addition to (and perhaps because of) that it did not attract the scalper market; a huge number of box sets from GW are still essentially unsold as they were bought by individuals for resale and not with intention to play; they still exist as wholes or in parts on ebay, etc.

I figure the broken up sets with discount on ebay will get cleaned up once battletomes are in people's hands and they start wanting more warriors for their forces and armies.

ERJAK wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Idoneth is old release. GW keeps upping prices per SKU round. 35£ for 10 is the current price. It's just matter of time before new SKU comes with 40£ for 10 and then it's that for new released until it goes up.

You don't get Idoneth level prices for any new release anymore. Just hope Idoneth doesn't get SKU change(say with reboxing) least they get price upped as well.

Vulkites are older than Idoneth and they were £35 for ten and their characters were £18. GW seemed to realise they outpriced their audience given how poorly they sold (although this was still AoS 1.0) and so most of the standard infantry released after that remained around the £30, including the Idoneth.

Lumineth are in a somewhat unique situation where they've directly sold as a spiritual successor to the High Elves, who next to Warriors of Chaos were WHFB's most popular army and it's no secret there's been a good amount of hype surrounding them. They probably figured they can take the mick and people would still buy them, especially when they've done so well out of Covid.

 Phobos wrote:
I don't think this is a very popular army. Pretty much every game store I've been to has multiple copies of the launch box gathering dust on the shelf.

The launch box was kind of crap unless you absolutely needed some models RIGHT NOW (which to be fair, is how a lot of GW fans are) or you were somebody who planned to buy the limited edition codex anyway. The big boxes only really do well when there's at least one limited edition model that will only be available in that set, otherwise people are generally happy to wait until a general release. Indomitus and the Sisters box probably wouldn't have sold out almost instantly if GW hadn't pushed the, "AND THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET THESE EXCLUSIVE SPECIAL LIMITED SCULPTS EVER AGAIN!"

That's not a thing. That was never a thing that they said. Everyone knew that the indomitus models were essentially just mono-pose versions of kits that were going to come out later or new versions of characters people already have and don't need more of. Same with the Necrons. The box sold as well as it did because it was a decent whack of new(subjectively very cool) models for a fairly reasonable price (including the book). Literally not one person on the entire planet bought it thinking they'd never be able to get the sculpts ever again.

The sisters boxset was going to sell insanely well no matter what simply because it was what it was. Everyone who wanted to play sisters basically had to buy the box because it was the only place you could get models for months. It was also a slight discount when you included the codex, which was nice.

The fact that that box is the only place you can get those specific sculpts was largely irrelevant.

Yeah no, you better believe that people absolutely buy SUPER LIMITED NEVER-AGAIN-MADE EXCLUSIVE SCULPT(!!!) models no matter how generic they may be. Look at how many people bought the last made-to-order Sister Superior model or the Librarian with the weird proportions. Why do you think ONE WEEKEND ONLY BUY-IT-NOW-OR-NEVER-AGAIN HOLY FRAK(!!!) models are put out for yearly when those moulds would cost in the tens of thousands for one-offs? There's a reason why most game companies these days put out exclusive sculpts with pre-orders/buying directly, most notably Infinity and Bolt Action, nevermind Kickstarters. Why would smaller companies who can't afford 'dud moulds' as well as GW do that if they didn't sell extremely well? Go back to the Indomitus pre-order threads and you can bet a good chunk of the disappointment was not getting the limited models.

I'll grant you that the Sister box (and Indomitus) was going to sell extremely well regardless, but I doubt it would've been quite the fanatical sellout/Ebay scalper banazna it was if they'd said the models would be releasd separately later.

They did say that the models from Indomitus would be released later...yet that didn't stop people from griping.

The Sister Superior and Librarian were most likely going to be event exclusive models. They wouldn't have even been available to most people who didn't have shoppers for them at events. This is the first year they've done the method they used for those.

Additionally, it's worth mentioning that a big part of the "scalper bonanza" is the discount e-shops. Back when Indomitus was getting ready to go on sale, there was some webstore that had a physical storefront in the middle of either Kentucky or Tennessee that claimed they had ordered $30k worth of Indomitus and GW promised they'd get allocated that much. When it didn't happen, they then stirred the pot and cancelled a bunch of 'preorders'(really just reservations to get onto a list of preorders). We had a whole thread about it here on Dakka...and no way is some shop in the middle of KY or TN moving $30k worth of Indomitus without something weird going on(like them selling outside of the US, something that last I read was disallowed) or the ever-popular "I made sure suchandsuch knew I was interested, but I wasn't gonna order through them" approach.