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The seekers are demons. They are monsters from the chaos realm brought into the Mortal Realms. The big difference is that the Mortal Realms have so much magic flying around that demons can manifest and maintain form within the realms for prolonged periods without difficulty.

In the Old World setting and in 40K they tend to require summoning and will only last for a short time before vanishing back. That is excluding certain regions of high chaos corruption (eg Eye of Terror in 40K or the Chaos Wastes in Old World).


Though it seems there are still limits in the Mortal Realms and the Exalted Seekers are said to be able to last far longer than regular seekers. It's why, even though they are rarer, they are gifted to mortals as mounts (since a mortal can't vanish in and out of the warp like demons can).

Yes, but regardless of what they are lorewise, they LOOK like they could be real animals. or at least a real as a sea horse-gold fish-dinosaur could look real.

 Overread wrote:
The seekers are demons. They are monsters from the chaos realm brought into the Mortal Realms. The big difference is that the Mortal Realms have so much magic flying around that demons can manifest and maintain form within the realms for prolonged periods without difficulty.

In the Old World setting and in 40K they tend to require summoning and will only last for a short time before vanishing back. That is excluding certain regions of high chaos corruption (eg Eye of Terror in 40K or the Chaos Wastes in Old World).


Though it seems there are still limits in the Mortal Realms and the Exalted Seekers are said to be able to last far longer than regular seekers. It's why, even though they are rarer, they are gifted to mortals as mounts (since a mortal can't vanish in and out of the warp like demons can).

From page 48 of the Hedonites of Slaanesh battletome:

Unlike the lesser mounts ridden by Hellstriders, Exalted Steeds are capable of persisting in the material realm far longer than most daemons. They achieve this via the devotion lathered upon them by their mortal riders; through profane ritual and the wilful mingling of blood, these two entities become almost inseparable

 Overread wrote:

mortar_crew wrote:

 Yoid wrote:
In the reveal show they talked about "Many more small heroes coming in the near months". They revealed a Stormcast, a Nighthaunt and a Soulblight Gravelords. It seems that a single small hero is gonna be released soon for every faction. It would make sense for Slaanesh to be the Viceleader.

Well a plastic Viceleader would be an instant buy for me for sure!

It's very very odd that GW has given Slaanesh 2 big model range updates and yet didn't replace the finecast herald in either one.

I think its a situation that comes up with a few other models (like the transcendent c'tan): the slaanesh herald exists inside another kit- the chariots. You can build it as the other chariot type and have a 'leftover' herald model to use on foot. It looks a little underwhelming on its own, but technically exists, at least for the purposes of having a model with rules.

mortar_crew wrote:

 Yoid wrote:
In the reveal show they talked about "Many more small heroes coming in the near months". They revealed a Stormcast, a Nighthaunt and a Soulblight Gravelords. It seems that a single small hero is gonna be released soon for every faction. It would make sense for Slaanesh to be the Viceleader.

Well a plastic Viceleader would be an instant buy for me for sure!

Potentially worth noting that I don’t think they said that.
But more Many factions will be getting, or several factions. Something along those lines wasn’t it?

Just need to get the wording right before we throw up our arms about X or Y faction not getting a character.
(If it was indeed how they worded it. But that’s what I seemed to take away from it).

Bunch of resin Soulblight sculpts just went No Longer Available in Australia

- Vlad
- Isabella
- Krell
- Heinrich Kemmler
- Winged Vampire Lord
- Blood Knights

Konrad and Mounted Mannfred are still available.

Obviously we know that Soulblight is on the way, notably a plastic footslogging Vampire Lord, but it feels too soon, especially with Lumineth having just had their preview as the next army.

But other than the Blood Knights, GW wouldn't bother repackaging any of those, surely? Soulblight closer than we think?

It's too soon unless GW is doing lumineth VS soulblight launches. However it might be that they aren't making any more of the finecast models and are just letting them run out overseas and such and not shipping any more this late in the process. Esp when stuff is being delayed overseas. Last thing they want is to launch a new army the week the replacement models finally arrive.

To add to that, here in the US the "No Longer Available" list is:
-Konrad
-Vlad
-Isabella
-Heinrich
-Blood Knights
-Bat Swarm

Winged Vampire Lord, Mtd Wight King, Zombies, Fell Bats are all "temporarily out of stock".

I'm curious if they will do a repeat of the Lumineth approach with a book, character, and a few units in a "Launch box".

Just remember if anything gets reboxed it generates a new product code in the system so old products can be removed from sale and returned and GW has been REALLY hit and miss for removing finecast/metals (esp in AoS - heck Skaven even gained a metal model!)

That said it seems like Vampires are a total rework and thus many of those old models I'd expect to go and be replaced like for like or in kind

 Overread wrote:
It's too soon unless GW is doing lumineth VS soulblight launches. However it might be that they aren't making any more of the finecast models and are just letting them run out overseas and such and not shipping any more this late in the process. Esp when stuff is being delayed overseas. Last thing they want is to launch a new army the week the replacement models finally arrive.

Gw didn't say lumineth is next though. Order couldd be soulblight-lumineth. We know lumineth comes within 3 months. That's long schedule

tneva82 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
It's too soon unless GW is doing lumineth VS soulblight launches. However it might be that they aren't making any more of the finecast models and are just letting them run out overseas and such and not shipping any more this late in the process. Esp when stuff is being delayed overseas. Last thing they want is to launch a new army the week the replacement models finally arrive.

Gw didn't say lumineth is next though. Order couldd be soulblight-lumineth. We know lumineth comes within 3 months. That's long schedule

We’ve seen all of Lumineth, and we’ve seen one official and one leaked Soulblight model. I’d put money on Lumineth coming first.

The next Broken Realms book is Teclis invading Shyish. Lumineth vs Soulblight seems pretty much a given.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The next Broken Realms book is Teclis invading Shyish. Lumineth vs Soulblight seems pretty much a given.

We already know who’s covered in Teclis, I think death is Ossiarch and FEC. I imagine Soulblight will get a battletome after it similar to Slaanesh between BR 1 and 2.

Yeah if GW puts Soulblight before Lumineth then they've seriously messed up their marketing somewhere.

Lumineth will be first out the gate along with the Teclis book. Heck perhaps the events of that book build into what causes the Vampires to be unleashed upon the mortal realms en-mass as opposed to remaining in the shadows here and there doing little things and mostly in-fighting.

Soulblight also don't need an expansion book; they need a full battletome.

 Kanluwen wrote:
To add to that, here in the US the "No Longer Available" list is:
-Konrad
-Vlad
-Isabella
-Heinrich
-Blood Knights
-Bat Swarm

Winged Vampire Lord, Mtd Wight King, Zombies, Fell Bats are all "temporarily out of stock".

I'm curious if they will do a repeat of the Lumineth approach with a book, character, and a few units in a "Launch box".

UK has lost Heinrich, Krell, old mounted Mannfred and the Blood Knights.

Apologies, what I meant was that it makes sense for Soulblight to get their battletome close to BR Teclis and feature in its story, not actually get content IN the campaign book. I was unclear.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Bunch of resin Soulblight sculpts just went No Longer Available in Australia

- Vlad
- Isabella
- Krell
- Heinrich Kemmler
- Winged Vampire Lord
- Blood Knights

Konrad and Mounted Mannfred are still available.

Obviously we know that Soulblight is on the way, notably a plastic footslogging Vampire Lord, but it feels too soon, especially with Lumineth having just had their preview as the next army.

But other than the Blood Knights, GW wouldn't bother repackaging any of those, surely? Soulblight closer than we think?

IT's actually frustrating what's disappearing - I preferred Kemmler to the current plastic Necromancer and Krell is the only option atm for a Wight King with Black Axe.

The myriad vampires...fair enough. Could be argued the Soulblight warband for Underworlds fills that gap - to be fair, at the current pricing it's basically 2 vamps and 2 free so...

Seeing the mounted Wight King gives me some hope though. Maybe there's more on the way. A mounted Vampire similar to the Red Duke from 5th edition? Maybe we'll see the 'return' of Kemmler and Krell though to be honest Krell's sculpt was absolutely beautiful so it's a shame to lose that. But updates with nods to the older sculpts would be nice.

I really hope they reintroduce Krell. His background was nice, his last mini was one of the best and most characterful in the entire undead range and he could easily be a first named character if they want to make normal scellies somewhat more independent from the vampires armywise.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

IT's actually frustrating what's disappearing - I preferred Kemmler to the current plastic Necromancer and Krell is the only option atm for a Wight King with Black Axe.

The models are well over 20 years old, not like they're pulling them before giving you a chance to buy them...

don't mind them being gone, as those were Finecast anyway and therefore off the buying list long time ago

Cronch wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

IT's actually frustrating what's disappearing - I preferred Kemmler to the current plastic Necromancer and Krell is the only option atm for a Wight King with Black Axe.

The models are well over 20 years old, not like they're pulling them before giving you a chance to buy them...

Krell wasn't over 20 years old. Kemmler was, true but also a very, very iconic sculpt complete with some BL history with Gotrek and Felix.

The Eldar Avatar is even older. Don't see that being discontinued?

For the record, this sort of response? Not useful, contributes nothing and just comes across as someone trying to snark. Sorry I didn't decide to look at a Death army til recently. My bad.


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 Shadox wrote:
I really hope they reintroduce Krell. His background was nice, his last mini was one of the best and most characterful in the entire undead range and he could easily be a first named character if they want to make normal scellies somewhat more independent from the vampires armywise.

To be fair, they've shown us with Sigvald that even characters who 'died' in the World That Was can be brought back to life and not just through Chaos. Sigvald only came back out of Nagash's spite. Not hard to imagine Nagash having a beef against Kemmler who was very, very independant from him.

We know luminary are the next tome as it comes alongside or just after Teclis.
As they said the whole don’t need to buy the new book if you have the old one, just get Teclis

But I think/ Hope Vamps will be soon after.

Krell's sculpt was superb.
Kemmler was well, old but still.
Both characters could make a comeback in plastic, it would be nice to see
something more in brand with classic undead after all these nighthaunt and ossiarch waves.

Eldar Avatar isn't being discontinued because GW aren't doing an Eldar line revamp right now. That said I think everyone expects it to be retired and replaced with a huge plastic sculpt that equals the Greater Demons of today - which is what the Avatar is supposed to be going into fights against one-on-one.


As for retired models, I think most should have noticed that when GW updates an AoS (or any) army there's a high chance of finecast and metal models being retired, esp when we know in advance that the vampire update is pretty big.
It can be hit and miss, Skaven lost, I think, one model from a damaged mould and gained one that get released again in metal; but otherwise basically didn't lose anything moving over. Meanwhile other forces have "lost" more or had things upgrade and replaced.


And some had oddities like the Slaanesh Heraled still being in Finecast despite two major line updates to the range.


Basically if its metal or finecast and you really want it - get it - because it will go out of production at some stage; especially near to when an army is known to be getting an update.





As for coming back, we might get some come back as they were; others might be coming back in spirit but not in kind. Eg a model that copies the same tropes and design concepts, but is of a different character entirely.

Anyone have a picture of the white dwarf from Feb that had this Brooken a Realms/New Edition ‘leak’ type info in?
Saying it’s just the three books or something?

 Overread wrote:


As for coming back, we might get some come back as they were; others might be coming back in spirit but not in kind. Eg a model that copies the same tropes and design concepts, but is of a different character entirely.

I'm suspecting considering the High Elf nods on the Lumineth and the classic model nods on the mounted Wight King we're likely to see Kemmler and Krell again, or at least very faithful revamps of them. To be honest I wouldn't be surpsied to see a 'Master Necromancer' character with a Kemmler-inspired sculpt to represent it. And to be fair, a Wight Lord one step above a Wight King would be nice too. With a Black Axe of course.

And who knows, perhaps they'll be new characters for the revamp.

With the Vampires? The Underworlds Warband. Well, Macepire has clear nods to Mannfred, the leader has clear nods to Vlad and some could argue the fem-vamp has nods to Isabella (though to be honest, frilly dress Isabella is a thing).

r retired models, I think most should have noticed that when GW updates an AoS (or any) army there's a high chance of finecast and metal models being retired, esp when we know in advance that the vampire update is pretty big.

I think it's a bit iffy to assume too much about a 'big vampire update.' There is clearly some death stuff coming, but it's not at all clear how big or how much will be vamps.

That we saw packaging for "Soulblight Gravelords" seems to point towards something big coming for Vampires, if I'm going to be honest.

"Soulblight" is a specific term used for the Vampire curse now. "Gravelords" is a term we've not had yet. That the leaked Vampire Lord had "Soulblight Gravelords"(faction name) and "Vampire Lord"(model name) seems to indicate that something is going to happen.

It remains to be seen what will actually be happening but given that the theme of Broken Realms seems to be breaking things...maybe Soulblight is going to get carved out of Legions of Nagash or something like that.

 Kanluwen wrote:
That we saw packaging for "Soulblight Gravelords" seems to point towards something big coming for Vampires, if I'm going to be honest.

"Soulblight" is a specific term used for the Vampire curse now. "Gravelords" is a term we've not had yet. That the leaked Vampire Lord had "Soulblight Gravelords"(faction name) and "Vampire Lord"(model name) seems to indicate that something is going to happen.

It remains to be seen what will actually be happening but given that the theme of Broken Realms seems to be breaking things...maybe Soulblight is going to get carved out of Legions of Nagash or something like that.

That or the legion will change. Right now the majority of the legion models are either vampires or skeletons.

Looking at the webstore(I don't own the book and the warscroll builder doesn't let me just view Legions of Nagash stuff sadly), it feels like most of the heroes are Vampires and the troop selection is skeletons/zombies with a light sprinkling of spoopy bats and a vampire unit/warmachine-ish bit.

It's just a feeling I've got with regards to the Soulblight thing. Might be entirely wrong, but the Soulblight becoming their own faction(Gravelords) and then having a Stormkeep style of being able to take a certain amount of Legions of Nagash, Ossiarch, or FEC could be an interesting route.