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Add a small extra sprue with a Soulblight specific driver, coffin, attendants and decor bits. Increase the price a bit, job done but I don't think they will it's a Nighthaunt thing now.

Billicus wrote:
Love that book cover, love the model range, but can't stop pronouncing it "Gravel-ords".

Call me a ghoul because I am loving it.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I heavily doubt we're going to get another new Black Coach like 3 years after it was remade.

I don't mean a replacement sculpt but a sculpt (a coach) that is akin to it but for Vampires entirely. Since the Vampire force, so far, seems to be avoiding the spirits entirely as a theme. Of course this might just be a lull before we see a huge storm of enslaved vampire spirit monsters.

Maybe they could give it a warscroll for an alt build where one does not put on the extra spirits? Same kit, additional warscroll sort of thing. Were I to convert one that's how I'd do it.

Black coaches as a means to revive defeated vampires are a cool and unique idea, I hope they don't dump it but kind of feel they will.

 Overread wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I heavily doubt we're going to get another new Black Coach like 3 years after it was remade.

I don't mean a replacement sculpt but a sculpt (a coach) that is akin to it but for Vampires entirely. Since the Vampire force, so far, seems to be avoiding the spirits entirely as a theme. Of course this might just be a lull before we see a huge storm of enslaved vampire spirit monsters.

The Coven Throne still has spirits surrounding it and I don't see that going away, plus LoN/Gravelords are a hodgepodge of different varieties of undead anyway, so the odd spirit here and there might not be too far out.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Maybe they could give it a warscroll for an alt build where one does not put on the extra spirits? Same kit, additional warscroll sort of thing. Were I to convert one that's how I'd do it.

Black coaches as a means to revive defeated vampires are a cool and unique idea, I hope they don't dump it but kind of feel they will.

Yeah, I found the idea of dumping the black coach odd, since its point is to transport a vampire, but then I looked at the current store page.
Despite the coffin still being there, the description just goes with a 'banished entity' and yammers on about spirits.

I kind of hate the current model anyway- too much spirit gak. If the coach was on the ground with actual horses, I'd like it a lot more. Also if it wasn't $123 for no apparent reason.

The current Black Coach comes on a 170mm oval base and is a good bit larger than the old Black Coach.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I heavily doubt we're going to get another new Black Coach like 3 years after it was remade.

I don't mean a replacement sculpt but a sculpt (a coach) that is akin to it but for Vampires entirely. Since the Vampire force, so far, seems to be avoiding the spirits entirely as a theme. Of course this might just be a lull before we see a huge storm of enslaved vampire spirit monsters.

The Coven Throne still has spirits surrounding it and I don't see that going away, plus LoN/Gravelords are a hodgepodge of different varieties of undead anyway, so the odd spirit here and there might not be too far out.

Does it have spirits surrounding?
I thought that was the other one. Mortis Engine?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/21/sunday-preview-the-call-of-the-wind/

LRL, Mortal Realms: Teclis and 4 new Broken Realms army sets next week.

Invidian Plaguehost (Maggotkin), Xintil War-magi (CoS), Mortevell’s Helcourt (FEC), and Horrek’s Dreadlance (OBR)

* Due to circumstances beyond our control, the pre-order date for the Shrine Luminor will be delayed in North America. If you live in Canada or the USA, keep an eye on Warhammer Community, and we’ll keep you posted about the new pre-order date for this kit as soon as we can confirm it.

 Ghaz wrote:
The current Black Coach comes on a 170mm oval base and is a good bit larger than the old Black Coach.

Spoiler:

At least it makes use of that large base size to prevent overhang, which would be extremely impractical during gameplay!

Danny76 wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I heavily doubt we're going to get another new Black Coach like 3 years after it was remade.

I don't mean a replacement sculpt but a sculpt (a coach) that is akin to it but for Vampires entirely. Since the Vampire force, so far, seems to be avoiding the spirits entirely as a theme. Of course this might just be a lull before we see a huge storm of enslaved vampire spirit monsters.

The Coven Throne still has spirits surrounding it and I don't see that going away, plus LoN/Gravelords are a hodgepodge of different varieties of undead anyway, so the odd spirit here and there might not be too far out.

Does it have spirits surrounding?
I thought that was the other one. Mortis Engine?

They are about 90% the same. A few more spirits on mortis, a blood pot in the vampire one and who is on the model; vampire or necromancer. One difference can be how it's painted, the mortis is painted to empathize the spirits the vampire one less so.


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 DaveC wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/21/sunday-preview-the-call-of-the-wind/

LRL, Mortal Realms: Teclis and 4 new Broken Realms army sets next week.

Invidian Plaguehost (Maggotkin), Xintil War-magi (CoS), Mortevell’s Helcourt (FEC), and Horrek’s Dreadlance (OBR)

That Hurakan Windmage gives me Goku vibes riding that cloud.

That Nagash/Teclis face-off pic makes me laugh.

The sphinx looks utterly indifferent, Teclis (with the white outline around the feet) looks photoshopped on there, despite the fact that I know he's part of the model.

And the whole pose either looks like 'catch me, darling' as Teclis dives off, or Nagash is reciting Vogon poetry from his book and Teclis just wants to end it all.


Edit- also the something something Scroll Wizard... why is he wearing high heels? Where the heel is in the middle of the shoe? What?

Coven throne has the character lounging back on the throne underneath some flowing drapes and a skeleton figure piece with the blood cauldron and two additional vampires sitting next to it with their gowns spilling over the side.

Mortis engine has the necromancer standing beneath a larger bone spike 'crown' which has banshees flying around it, and the platform is enclosed by railing which incorporates a dais holding up a (actually really cool looking when you see it in person) giant spell tome.

What's the same is basically what they are on, which TBF is a good portion of the model's mass so to speak. The platform base and the swarm of spirits carrying it. The main base of the chariot's back gazebo portion is the same as well.

I hope the new Skeletons aren't bigger than the current ones. They also look too much like Grave Guard. Zombies are better but the roots need to go.

Just got myself tzeentch daemons so can't buy much but regent, box of sword dudes and teclis book to start with

New Lumineth look pretty sweet. Shame it is a bit tainted by the shadow of how they double-dipped the army release. Really like the bolt thrower, and the twins, and the terrain piece.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Shame it is a bit tainted by the shadow of how they double-dipped the army release.

Meh. It's no different than they did with the Stormcast, and it was kind of obvious with the first book only covering the Alarith Temple.

Voss wrote:
That Nagash/Teclis face-off pic makes me laugh.

The sphinx looks utterly indifferent, Teclis (with the white outline around the feet) looks photoshopped on there, despite the fact that I know he's part of the model.

And the whole pose either looks like 'catch me, darling' as Teclis dives off, or Nagash is reciting Vogon poetry from his book and Teclis just wants to end it all.

Well Teclics is such an rare case where there should be 2 different miniatures that are separately very cool looking but then end up being posed in just such a way that the coolness disappears. It is like someone wanted to make anti-Morathi figure at any cost.

Voss wrote:
Edit- also the something something Scroll Wizard... why is he wearing high heels? Where the heel is in the middle of the shoe? What?

Well fluff wise (from reveal stream way back) he is something of an purifier, mage that tries to heal the land itself from "corruption". As such he doesn't want to touch the earth directly unless he is contaminated.

Sotahullu wrote:

Voss wrote:
Edit- also the something something Scroll Wizard... why is he wearing high heels? Where the heel is in the middle of the shoe? What?

Well fluff wise (from reveal stream way back) he is something of an purifier, mage that tries to heal the land itself from "corruption". As such he doesn't want to touch the earth directly unless he is contaminated.

Those are japanese Ippon Geta:

I don't know what factions are left from warhammer fantasy other than Brettonia.

It would be funny if Karganath was like a 'brettonian' like centaur race of knights. Considering that they could worship like a centaur god and are knightly hunters which would be pretty interesting.

Cause the civilization he was looking at looked sufficiently advanced.

They're already redone Bretonnia. They're called Flesh-eater Courts...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
New Lumineth look pretty sweet. Shame it is a bit tainted by the shadow of how they double-dipped the army release. Really like the bolt thrower, and the twins, and the terrain piece.

Would have preferred no 2nd wave at all? As no way ever 30 or so kits at once would have been coming. Too much competing each other.

Besldes with app you don't need new battletome.

Voss wrote:
That Nagash/Teclis face-off pic makes me laugh.

The sphinx looks utterly indifferent, Teclis (with the white outline around the feet) looks photoshopped on there, despite the fact that I know he's part of the model.

And the whole pose either looks like 'catch me, darling' as Teclis dives off, or Nagash is reciting Vogon poetry from his book and Teclis just wants to end it all.


Edit- also the something something Scroll Wizard... why is he wearing high heels? Where the heel is in the middle of the shoe? What?

a genuine medieval functional thing called patens or chopines which were extended wooden soles to keep the shoe out of the mud, which grew to crazy 'you need help to walk or a stick' sizes, some had the pillar in the middle instead of toe and heel or the whole way across the sole

just the sort of thing an elf wizard might use

Yeah don't forget a lot of ancient roadways and such were rather filthy. Even if they were hard stone or packed earth they'd have a lot of animal (and in some regions and cultures human) waste on them.

So the idea of rising above was well established. In the roads of Pompei you can see big stepping stones that were used to allow people to walk from the pavement (sidewalk) across the road without stepping in the road itself; whilst at the same time still allowing horses and carts to pass by.

Yes, yes, thanks all for the shallow lectures on various types of footwear. I'm sure it would be very relevant if he weren't also wearing heavy, calf-high boots, same as the ballista crew, swordsmen and the other S-word nounverb character (with the wrench and sword), and elf Goku.

are you mad the shoe thingies aren't actually made up? ok.

The vampire release is pretty impressive. So far, everything that's been shown has been an update of an older kit, aside from Kritza.

Zombies, skeletons, vampire lord, wight king, blood knights... This makes me think that we're really only seeing the beginning, and that there's plenty more to come.

It could be that GW is planning on updating other kits, like the corpse carts an grave guard. Time will tell. Knowing their trend, I'd expect more all-new kits instead, and I look forward to seeing what they are.

Just going by the cover of the battletome, I'd expect dire wolves of some sort, and possibly even a blood dragon model. The dragon on the battletome doesn't have the same shape or look as the current zombie dragons, so we'll see.

Meanwhile, things like the zombie dragon, coven throne, necromancer, and many others were released near the end of WFB when vampires got a big update back then. They're decently modern kits, a little older than the Dark Eldar kits, IIRC. That said, they were designed during a different time, well before AoS, like poses that fit together on ranked square bases and such.

I guess we'll see what happens. Either way, I'm thrilled, I want to make a skeleton army lead by a vampire lord and wight king, themed in the Realm of Shadow!

Huh - I hadn't noticed that the Roo Riders seem to have sensible, single-string bows, while the Bolt Thrower reverts to the non-functional three-strings-at-one-end design.

Silly Elves...

Voss wrote:
Yes, yes, thanks all for the shallow lectures on various types of footwear. I'm sure it would be very relevant if he weren't also wearing heavy, calf-high boots, same as the ballista crew, swordsmen and the other S-word nounverb character (with the wrench and sword), and elf Goku.

They talked about it as being part of the role for that type of priest. They're purifying the areas tainted most by Nagash's death magic or Chaos corruption.

It's why he's got brushes and paper as well as the magic ink, he's basically tagging the Realms with lightmagics.

 Arbitrator wrote:

Vampires have mortal attendants and whole populations of living under their thrall, so I figure Necromancers will likely be baked in.

I'd love to see a subfaction and maybe a warscroll within the tome that utilizes a few human units (Freeguild militia, crossbows, great swords etc) so I can finally have my big daddy Vlad era Sylvanian themed army.