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 Platuan4th wrote:

Togusa wrote:
So I wonder, does this mean that FEC are going to be rolled into Soulblight, or are they shown because the two factions will be able to ally with each other?

You mean the Terrorgheist? Probably just a cross-Faction model now like the Zombie Dragon.

Isn't the little winged guys and the corpse cart also stuff from FEC?

Togusa wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Togusa wrote:
So I wonder, does this mean that FEC are going to be rolled into Soulblight, or are they shown because the two factions will be able to ally with each other?

You mean the Terrorgheist? Probably just a cross-Faction model now like the Zombie Dragon.

Isn't the little winged guys and the corpse cart also stuff from FEC?

The Corpse Cart is not shared it's Deadwalker Zombies. The Vargheists and Crypt Horrors have the same base model but with different heads and they have different rules for Soulblight and FEC.

Crypt flayers are an FEC unit with the wings from that kit, while Vargheists are a Soulblight unit with the same wings. Different heads as mentioned, but the main difference is the big back-mohawks vargheists have as compared to the rotty fleshy bits.

Conquer’s of Undeath... except ghosts.

Lame they didn’t keep the classic ethereals VC have always had: black coach, spirit host, wraith & banshee

By the logic of keeping them out because of NH, then zombies and skeletons shouldn’t be in this book either. Just bat and now apparently werewolf vampire heroes..

dogfender wrote:
Conquer’s of Undeath... except ghosts.

Lame they didn’t keep the classic ethereals VC have always had: black coach, spirit host, wraith & banshee

By the logic of keeping them out because of NH, then zombies and skeletons shouldn’t be in this book either. Just bat and now apparently werewolf vampire heroes..

With the Legions of Nagash book being discontinued (GW has already pulled it from sale) there's no reason for skeletons and zombies not to be in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome.

 Ghaz wrote:

dogfender wrote:
Conquer’s of Undeath... except ghosts.

Lame they didn’t keep the classic ethereals VC have always had: black coach, spirit host, wraith & banshee

By the logic of keeping them out because of NH, then zombies and skeletons shouldn’t be in this book either. Just bat and now apparently werewolf vampire heroes..

With the Legions of Nagash book being discontinued (GW has already pulled it from sale) there's no reason for skeletons and zombies not to be in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome.

There’s also no reason for night haunt to have their own either then other than ‘because’. Could do the same with zombies and deathrattle, they just haven’t.

Vampires have always had the basic/ classic “bump in the night” things. Including a spectral unit (doesn’t have to be core) and hero is rudimentary.

Hell how about The Beast with 2 blood born on his base? No unit of those, kinda out of place.. but not more out of place than including basic vampire trope things

Nighthaunt are their own army and have their own Mortarch in Lady Olynder. Gone are the days of mixed Death armies outside of allied units. Soulblight Gravelords will have Vampires and Wight Kings in the leadership roles with skeletons, zombies, dire wolves and fell bats as the grunts.

I just want my skeletons, wight king on steed, and dire wolves and have my "good dogs gets lots of bones" army already.

 Ghaz wrote:

dogfender wrote:
Conquer’s of Undeath... except ghosts.

Lame they didn’t keep the classic ethereals VC have always had: black coach, spirit host, wraith & banshee

By the logic of keeping them out because of NH, then zombies and skeletons shouldn’t be in this book either. Just bat and now apparently werewolf vampire heroes..

With the Legions of Nagash book being discontinued (GW has already pulled it from sale) there's no reason for skeletons and zombies not to be in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome.

Now it is looking that the answer to the replacement question may be 'neither'. LoN being discontinued but SBGL aren't really a replacement.

Vampires have always had the basic/ classic “bump in the night” things.

Vampires, at least in folklore and stories, have almost never been associated with ghosts. Just cause GW used to have them mixed in one big grab-bag of undeath doesn't mean it's somehow sacred. Ghosts have their own book now. I bet you will be able to ally some NH in if you want.

Undead began as one faction in WFB, then got split into sub factions - Tomb Kings and Vampires plus variations within them. AOS saw them reunited as one super faction then FEC split off then Legions of Nagash comprised the other Undead but Nighthaunts were split off......

The Grand Alliance of Death still does not have the living elements it has in the lore - but then Destruction does not have barbaric humans, elves etc

It is interesting (to me) intersting that they are expanding the vampires range to incoporate some of the bloodlines mentioned previously but was also hoping for a Cities of Sigmar option with some keywords changes for undead ruled cities of the living like Nulahmia

I like the 'night sovereign' vampire trope too, but much like in WFB, the more exotic pieces of lore are unlikely to be represented on the table.

Maybe after Cities of Sigmar get a fat stack of new kits, the next Vampire book will get some borrowed entries.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

dogfender wrote:
Conquer’s of Undeath... except ghosts.

Lame they didn’t keep the classic ethereals VC have always had: black coach, spirit host, wraith & banshee

By the logic of keeping them out because of NH, then zombies and skeletons shouldn’t be in this book either. Just bat and now apparently werewolf vampire heroes..

With the Legions of Nagash book being discontinued (GW has already pulled it from sale) there's no reason for skeletons and zombies not to be in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome.

Now it is looking that the answer to the replacement question may be 'neither'. LoN being discontinued but SBGL aren't really a replacement.

It's a 'replacement' inasmuch that most of the units that are in the Legion of Nagash battletome (if not all of them) that are not in another battletome will be in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome.

 Ghaz wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

dogfender wrote:
Conquer’s of Undeath... except ghosts.

Lame they didn’t keep the classic ethereals VC have always had: black coach, spirit host, wraith & banshee

By the logic of keeping them out because of NH, then zombies and skeletons shouldn’t be in this book either. Just bat and now apparently werewolf vampire heroes..

With the Legions of Nagash book being discontinued (GW has already pulled it from sale) there's no reason for skeletons and zombies not to be in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome.

Now it is looking that the answer to the replacement question may be 'neither'. LoN being discontinued but SBGL aren't really a replacement.

It's a 'replacement' inasmuch that most of the units that are in the Legion of Nagash battletome (if not all of them) that are not in another battletome will be in the Soulblight Gravelords battletome.

Yeah, it's kind of hard to not consider this a replacement. I am curious how things work out mechanically. I'd really like it to be different from LoN, like the Gravesites, but I have a feeling it will be very similar.

I'm certainly not making the call yet, but the benchmark for me is simply if it has a majority of the units from the previous version. If yes I will totally call it a replacement, if no then I see it like calling Sylvaneth a replacement for Wood Elves.

Though if it has the same gravesites that would obviously supercede things.

I guess we'll have something working in a similar way...even if I don't like free summoned units.

Would rather like a more powerful mechanism of bringing killed miniatures back on key heroes like vampires and necromancers, but I'm not a GW designer.


Still scratching my head about how people couldn't believe new zombies and skeletons warscrolls wouldn't be in the Soulblight Gravelords book.

The Soulblight allegiance does currently exist and does not include them, so that is where people would be getting the idea. But IMO vampires would obviously be raising chaff to serve them so it makes more sense to have them in there.

So, new edition, new stormcast character, new stormcast models and something from the mire, Fimir perhaps?

 KingGarland wrote:
So, new edition, new stormcast character, new stormcast models and something from the mire, Fimir perhaps?

Would be more than happy for a proper Fimir army. Maybe now's the time we get those FW sculpts that were never realeased in plastic.

Assuming those are red eyeballs moving in on the Freeguild in the animated tale, I didn’t get a ‘Cyclopean” vibe (ie Fimir) from them.

Perhaps The Silent People referenced in Beastgrave/Direchasm?

Let's get the stuff in here from the fest thread. Damn though, these look fine. I feel this is how they wanted Stormcast originally, but somewhere along the line they got beefed up somewhat.

They are looking great!

Why does every Sigmarine woman have the side cut? Sigmar doesn't seem to demand the same regimental grooming from his men.

Does it particularly matter? And only some have it, others have got a pony tail and other styles.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Why does every Sigmarine woman have the side cut? Sigmar doesn't seem to demand the same regimental grooming from his men.

Some sculptor likes his women with abs and side cuts.

And personally i think he has good taste.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Why does every Sigmarine woman have the side cut? Sigmar doesn't seem to demand the same regimental grooming from his men.

It gives off a martial/viking vibe and meshes pretty well with the overall design. Gotta say I like it.

I’m really hyped. Love the new Stormcast designs.

While I think the updated Sigmarine looks better than the OG, I dislike the whole betterer more magical armour idea in the fluff though.

I also liked the Champ of sigmar much more before I saw the artwork. I love the movement in the illustration. The model looks like far too calm imo.

 StygianBeach wrote:
While I think the updated Sigmarine looks better than the OG, I dislike the whole betterer more magical armour idea in the fluff though.

I also liked the Champ of sigmar much more before I saw the artwork. I love the movement in the illustration. The model looks like far too calm imo.

Well remember each chamber has its advantage, them improving the Stormcasts overtime would make sense, But I am guessing these guys are much slower than their less armored buddies.

Supposedly Grungni has gotten in on improving the Stormcast, which would explain the gear upgrade.

I do have to say that new character is gorgeous I really like the armor design on her and the other new models previewed. And it is just so refreshing to have an armored female without fething boob plate. Wings are a bit plain but still waaaaay more practical than the light-beam ones which are nice for pictures and a nightmare for gameplay. I also think a more intricate paint job on those feathers will make them look much better.