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Found here more about skellies being easy to snap https://www.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/nio9ks/psa_the_multipart_deathrattle_skeletons_are_way/

Its probably to late to change anything so please do complain and do what you can to flag this since its not acceptable that they are selling a kit not fit for purpose at these prices too. Its not a garage product where the guy is taking his first steps.
If plastics go the finecast way of lack of quality control then bye bye.

Regarding the skeletons the bones are rather thin but when you put them together most of them fit inside the robes. If you are careful when building the final minis should be a bit more sturdy.

 Geifer wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I would have like Fimir too, and I also feel adding an army that was not another greenskin variety to Destruction would be better (doesn't have to be a new race either). But while I would have liked those things MORE I am still excited & happy to see Destruction getting content.

I don't want to judge until I see the new models, but more orcs doesn't feel like "Destruction getting content" to me. 3rd ed isn't over and like with Death GW has years to add extra armies if they make Destruction the focus of the edition, but with what we have now it feels like a really weak start.

Well for one they are hobgoblins so a new race, but a new race of greenskin. So like half a new race? Second edition started with 'just more ghosts' and that worked out pretty well for Death.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:
Anyone else having issues with the skeleton warriors? I've had two sets of legs break during assembly.

The cursed city or the new boxed core set? If its the new kits its a case of poor design. Miniatures should be designed to fit the purpose and not snap easy due to incompetent evaluation of the material limitations. Doest matter how cool something looks if they snap.
If its the cursed city well it was one offs, rare things never to be seen again I guess.

Many moons ago I bought a Lizardmen starter set and basically everything in it had extra brittle plastic. You had to be super careful with things like the Skink javelins and blowpipes, even cleaning the mould lines was difficult without having breakages. They also had worse than normal mould lines for GW stuff.

But this was agggggges ago, I haven't had any problem in the many years since, but maybe on this run GW messed up the plastic blend, pressure or temperature to create an extra brittle plastic and combined with the extra thin legs of the skeletons it's creating problems? Dunno.

Sometimes its also that people new to wargames get started with a brand new army. Or perhaps those who only have experience with chunky models like Marines or Stormcast suddenly start working with more fine detail models with thinner parts.

So sometimes its just a learning curve aspect that hits a bunch of people of similar skill all at once.

 Overread wrote:
Sometimes its also that people new to wargames get started with a brand new army. Or perhaps those who only have experience with chunky models like Marines or Stormcast suddenly start working with more fine detail models with thinner parts.

So sometimes its just a learning curve aspect that hits a bunch of people of similar skill all at once.

The guy from the reddit link stated that he is no noob, and has the experience building the old GW skellies.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:
Anyone else having issues with the skeleton warriors? I've had two sets of legs break during assembly.

The cursed city or the new boxed core set? If its the new kits its a case of poor design. Miniatures should be designed to fit the purpose and not snap easy due to incompetent evaluation of the material limitations. Doest matter how cool something looks if they snap.
If its the cursed city well it was one offs, rare things never to be seen again I guess.

Many moons ago I bought a Lizardmen starter set and basically everything in it had extra brittle plastic. You had to be super careful with things like the Skink javelins and blowpipes, even cleaning the mould lines was difficult without having breakages. They also had worse than normal mould lines for GW stuff.

But this was agggggges ago, I haven't had any problem in the many years since, but maybe on this run GW messed up the plastic blend, pressure or temperature to create an extra brittle plastic and combined with the extra thin legs of the skeletons it's creating problems? Dunno.

Yes can be many things and its very hard for me to pin point the issue because I still have not got them.
Ages ago there was issues on several models like the dreaded bows on the night goblins original designs or the feet of the NID gaunts etc etc. I think GW is much better now but still pushing limits of how thin plastic can go. Well saying that some new nighthaunt are so fragile that they should have been reviewed before release.

Overread wrote:Sometimes its also that people new to wargames get started with a brand new army. Or perhaps those who only have experience with chunky models like Marines or Stormcast suddenly start working with more fine detail models with thinner parts.

So sometimes its just a learning curve aspect that hits a bunch of people of similar skill all at once.

I sculpt and design minis and far from inexperienced but I understand what you are saying although the most precious thing any designer can have is feedback from their clients.... All of them and from different levels of experience. This is a tabletop miniature and should not require decades of experience to resculpt, pin plastic etc like a collector item. Just saying

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Galas wrote:
destruction faction of industrial theme

Well that was never on the cards. Being non-industrial is literally the one thing distinguishing Destruction from Order.

Huh?

Ogres use more guns than literally any of order factions. Bigger ones, too. Goblin sky pirates have fleet more sophisticated than anything but notSquats have. Kragnos is singular but if his gear is any indication, his race was capable of better craftsmanship than most of the Realms. The difference is lack of 'culture', 'law', and similar stuff, roughly defined 'civilization', not industry. 40K orks would be very much still destruction race despite having industry far above the rest of the Realms, and really, if GW wants to expand destruction, just dirtier and slightly bigger goblins (or smaller orks) without any theme of their own, like industry or magic or massed cavalry or whatever, are a terrible way to do it.

depends on how the breaking parts look like

if it breaks of clear, with no change in colour of the plastic and maybe a little spike in the middle of the broken part

this is a material problem and no chance to avoid it
we have seen this before and it has to do with the process (with the plastic flow in from different sides and this is the point were it comes together and if it is already too cold there, you get a breaking point)

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I would have like Fimir too, and I also feel adding an army that was not another greenskin variety to Destruction would be better (doesn't have to be a new race either). But while I would have liked those things MORE I am still excited & happy to see Destruction getting content.

I don't want to judge until I see the new models, but more orcs doesn't feel like "Destruction getting content" to me. 3rd ed isn't over and like with Death GW has years to add extra armies if they make Destruction the focus of the edition, but with what we have now it feels like a really weak start.

Well for one they are hobgoblins so a new race, but a new race of greenskin. So like half a new race? Second edition started with 'just more ghosts' and that worked out pretty well for Death.

Are they hobgoblins? As far as I'm aware that's still speculation as GW hasn't revealed anything on them yet other than that video snippet and as such appears like fanmade categorization as per genre standards that may or may not be relevant to AoS. Taller than a goblin but skinnier than an orc? Why, that must be a hobgoblin! The question I have is, what good does that actually do me if the last iteration of Warhammer hobgoblin was considered different from other greenskins because of their status as slaves to Chaos Dwarfs (which I assume a discrete Destruction faction won't be)?

Also, luckily I'm a racist and if this variety of green, dumb and ugly doesn't look much different from other varieties of green, dumb and ugly, there's no real difference.

I'll say this as someone who wished for more undead but didn't find Nighthaunt to his liking, but I could actually appreciate them as a broadening of the Grand Alliance because they took a fairly underrepresented slice of the Vampire Counts models and formed an entire faction around it with with a large variety of different units and a distinct feel to it that differed from ghouls, skeletons and zombies. I know it's too early to tell, but how distinct can we really expect these new greenskins to be. Orcs and Goblins as leftovers that got bolstered by true AoS models cover a lot of what greenskin culture has been in Warhammer. Goblin sky pirates? I can see how that would present a technologically savvy addition to an otherwise traditional fantasy (mega-)faction. Swamp dwelling hillbilly hobgobbos? Not so much.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:
Anyone else having issues with the skeleton warriors? I've had two sets of legs break during assembly.

The cursed city or the new boxed core set? If its the new kits its a case of poor design. Miniatures should be designed to fit the purpose and not snap easy due to incompetent evaluation of the material limitations. Doest matter how cool something looks if they snap.
If its the cursed city well it was one offs, rare things never to be seen again I guess.

The new core set.

So if the new GW skellies are prone to snapping would any of you who own Sepulchral Guard push fit skellies recommend them? I want sturdy HIPS skellies for solo/co-p/skirmish games.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So if the new GW skellies are prone to snapping would any of you who own Sepulchral Guard push fit skellies recommend them? I want sturdy HIPS skellies for solo/co-p/skirmish games.

You could always go third party

 lord marcus wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So if the new GW skellies are prone to snapping would any of you who own Sepulchral Guard push fit skellies recommend them? I want sturdy HIPS skellies for solo/co-p/skirmish games.

You could always go third party

If a third party makes ones I like then yes Old Warlord ones are a pain to build and fragile, Oathmark ones are similar, Wargames Atlantic have weird proportions. Yeah, I am picky but it looks like SG are my last chance to get HIPS skellies. Most of the games like The Lasting Tales/Frostgrave etc. will not want more than 5-6 skellies on board so this could be a good choice but I need to be sure they are sturdy or at least more sturdy than others on the market.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So if the new GW skellies are prone to snapping would any of you who own Sepulchral Guard push fit skellies recommend them? I want sturdy HIPS skellies for solo/co-p/skirmish games.

You could always go third party

If a third party makes ones I like then yes Old Warlord ones are a pain to build and fragile, Oathmark ones are similar, Wargames Atlantic have weird proportions. Yeah, I am picky but it looks like SG are my last chance to get HIPS skellies. Most of the games like The Lasting Tales/Frostgrave etc. will not want more than 5-6 skellies on board so this could be a good choice but I need to be sure they are sturdy or at least more sturdy than others on the market.

Maybe look into metal?

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So if the new GW skellies are prone to snapping would any of you who own Sepulchral Guard push fit skellies recommend them? I want sturdy HIPS skellies for solo/co-p/skirmish games.

You could always go third party

If a third party makes ones I like then yes Old Warlord ones are a pain to build and fragile, Oathmark ones are similar, Wargames Atlantic have weird proportions. Yeah, I am picky but it looks like SG are my last chance to get HIPS skellies. Most of the games like The Lasting Tales/Frostgrave etc. will not want more than 5-6 skellies on board so this could be a good choice but I need to be sure they are sturdy or at least more sturdy than others on the market.

Maybe look into metal?

HIPS only

Broken Realms: Kragnos goes on pre-order this Saturday

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/23/sunday-preview-the-mortal-realms-quake-beneath-the-tread-of-kragnos/

 Ghaz wrote:
Broken Realms: Kragnos goes on pre-order this Saturday

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/23/sunday-preview-the-mortal-realms-quake-beneath-the-tread-of-kragnos/

On another note, there's another preview next saturday and the name is... Dominion. Which was the name for the new boxset according to the video by Grimdark.

Look a little closer. The Preview is 'Unboxing Dominion'.

Huh, that's right. I didn't read the word unboxing. Thanks for pointing that out.

Also note that the final Gotrek and Felix Omnibus approaches!

City of the Damned
Kinslayer
Rememberers (short story)
Slayer

That's one outstanding story and the 3 stories (2 full and one short) that comprise the End Times series of tales for the pair. That means that if you want too, by next week, you'll be able to get the entire Gotrek and Felix stories.

I think the only short not in one of the omnibus is The Lost Kinsmen, it could also be in the 6th or might have slipped into one of the others without me noticing. Otherwise its in Myths and Legends.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So if the new GW skellies are prone to snapping would any of you who own Sepulchral Guard push fit skellies recommend them? I want sturdy HIPS skellies for solo/co-p/skirmish games.

You could always go third party

If a third party makes ones I like then yes Old Warlord ones are a pain to build and fragile, Oathmark ones are similar, Wargames Atlantic have weird proportions. Yeah, I am picky but it looks like SG are my last chance to get HIPS skellies. Most of the games like The Lasting Tales/Frostgrave etc. will not want more than 5-6 skellies on board so this could be a good choice but I need to be sure they are sturdy or at least more sturdy than others on the market.

All skeleton miniatures are frail by nature - I mean, unless you want unrealistic bulky skeletons, they are litterally just bones and thus rather thin at a 28-32 mm scale. GW isn't an exception here.

The new Deathrattle Skeletons kit has indeed quite thin parts - especially the legs. You have to be careful when you remove them / clean their parts with a modeling knife. On the 20 I built, only one had his leg snapped. Otherwise, it usually bends unless you're a brute with it. Once the main body is assembled (3 parts) and glued to the base, it's okay.

But honestly, all skeleton miniatures I built in the past, including from other companies, have the same problem. Especially the "just skeletons" miniatures with no armors attached to try to make it a bit more sturdy. They're all a pain to build.

Man, "Dominion" is just such a lame word. Like, if that really is the name of the next box, it's up there with "Land" and "No Parking Zone" when it comes to inspiring imagination.

Cronch wrote:
Man, "Dominion" is just such a lame word. Like, if that really is the name of the next box, it's up there with "Land" and "No Parking Zone" when it comes to inspiring imagination.

I'll just go let Rio Grande Games know that one of their best selling board games has a lame name.

could be worse, could be called "monopoly", but yes. Though I suspect it at least has functional rules as opposed to GW products so they are forgiven.

The backpeddaling is strong in this one.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So if the new GW skellies are prone to snapping would any of you who own Sepulchral Guard push fit skellies recommend them? I want sturdy HIPS skellies for solo/co-p/skirmish games.

You could always go third party

If a third party makes ones I like then yes Old Warlord ones are a pain to build and fragile, Oathmark ones are similar, Wargames Atlantic have weird proportions. Yeah, I am picky but it looks like SG are my last chance to get HIPS skellies. Most of the games like The Lasting Tales/Frostgrave etc. will not want more than 5-6 skellies on board so this could be a good choice but I need to be sure they are sturdy or at least more sturdy than others on the market.

Maybe look into metal?

HIPS only

Well then you are stuck with weird proportions or models that break easily. Which one would be easier to work with for you?

Sarouan wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So if the new GW skellies are prone to snapping would any of you who own Sepulchral Guard push fit skellies recommend them? I want sturdy HIPS skellies for solo/co-p/skirmish games.

You could always go third party

If a third party makes ones I like then yes Old Warlord ones are a pain to build and fragile, Oathmark ones are similar, Wargames Atlantic have weird proportions. Yeah, I am picky but it looks like SG are my last chance to get HIPS skellies. Most of the games like The Lasting Tales/Frostgrave etc. will not want more than 5-6 skellies on board so this could be a good choice but I need to be sure they are sturdy or at least more sturdy than others on the market.

All skeleton miniatures are frail by nature - I mean, unless you want unrealistic bulky skeletons, they are litterally just bones and thus rather thin at a 28-32 mm scale. GW isn't an exception here.

The new Deathrattle Skeletons kit has indeed quite thin parts - especially the legs. You have to be careful when you remove them / clean their parts with a modeling knife. On the 20 I built, only one had his leg snapped. Otherwise, it usually bends unless you're a brute with it. Once the main body is assembled (3 parts) and glued to the base, it's okay.

But honestly, all skeleton miniatures I built in the past, including from other companies, have the same problem. Especially the "just skeletons" miniatures with no armors attached to try to make it a bit more sturdy. They're all a pain to build.

It sounds like the problem is with the femur snapping, however the femur is mostly covered by the rags/armour attached to the torso piece so it feels a bit unnecessary to have the femur so thin and unsupported.

On the surface it sounds like a bit of a design issue to me, I understand the "skeletons are supposed to be thin" argument, but these are armoured skeletons with quite a bit of detail, having a bit of ragged cloth running down the femur to support it (which is what they did on the old models which were less armoured/detailed) would be an easy solution to the problem.

These days I also expect thin bits to be pretty flexible. Some recent GW kits I've bought had thin bits that bent while I was assembling them and I carefully bent them back. So I do wonder if GW went for a harder but more brittle plastic for these kits.




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 Ghaz wrote:
Broken Realms: Kragnos goes on pre-order this Saturday

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/23/sunday-preview-the-mortal-realms-quake-beneath-the-tread-of-kragnos/

Spoiler:

Pretty quiet launch for Kroak, was hoping he'd bring some new Lizard buddies with him, guess he's just launching by himself.

It's an expansion rather than a new Seraphon book and with 3rd ed we know there's a full new Seraphon book around the corner at some stage which would be a more likely time that GW would do any major range revision for them. IF they do one, there's still a good few armies in worse positions such as Skaven with a boatload of much older models or Fyreslayers with very few models.