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Dang. I really wanted that NH Lord executioner from soul wars, but now people are pulling a DI and charging so much for it. That's on me though.

I'm guessing that SC they previewed a few weeks back (the foot troop with a more fancy base) will be the "Get started with AOS" model that comes with that magazine

Chikout wrote:
This art pretty much sums up why I love AoS.

Oh MAN do I hope that indicates what might be in store for Cities of Sigmar or a similar style army. That's friggin amazing.

It's funny, I have a friend that is very not into wargaming. I have a display case full of space marines, admech, death guard, imperial knights, and saraphon right when you walk into my house. Usually when he comes over for board gaming I might point out something new I've added and he's like "oh that's pretty cool". Well one day when I added an Arkanaut Frigate he walked in and glanced over and yelled "IS THAT A DWARF STEAMPUNK FLYING SHIP????" Almost (not quite! ) got him into AoS right there!

That's the kind of reaction a lot of the new and cool AoS models get. They're just so imaginitive! I wonder what he'll say when I add the new Lord Kroak.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Dang. I really wanted that NH Lord executioner from soul wars, but now people are pulling a DI and charging so much for it. That's on me though.

I'm guessing that SC they previewed a few weeks back (the foot troop with a more fancy base) will be the "Get started with AOS" model that comes with that magazine

The regular Lord-Executioner doesn't do it for you, I'm guessing?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Dang. I really wanted that NH Lord executioner from soul wars, but now people are pulling a DI and charging so much for it. That's on me though.

I'm guessing that SC they previewed a few weeks back (the foot troop with a more fancy base) will be the "Get started with AOS" model that comes with that magazine

The regular Lord-Executioner doesn't do it for you, I'm guessing?

Probably because it has 100% less noose and gallows...

Chikout wrote:
This art pretty much sums up why I love AoS.

Stick a couple of bionic eyes in there and it would be all but indistinguishable from something out of the 40K rulebook.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's really weird that Vanguard went LCTB...but I think there's a namechange coming.

Just the Start Collecting box. Probably going to be replaced with a new one.

Probably, but it doesn't detract from a potential name change. Always found it weird they went with "Vanguard Space Marines" when we already had Vanguard Veterans and Vanguard Stormcast.

Plus the name just sounds bad. "It's the Vanguard Chamber with Vanguard-Hunters, Vanguard-Palladors, and Vanguard-Raptors!".

The Lord Executioner and the Spirit Torment don't hurt that much, since they have other versions avalible separately. However, there is no way to get a mounted Knight of Shrouds outside of the box, and there is no other way to get a Guardian of Souls at all. Which kind of sucks.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Chikout wrote:
This art pretty much sums up why I love AoS.

Stick a couple of bionic eyes in there and it would be all but indistinguishable from something out of the 40K rulebook.

I disagree, there are a lot of subtle differences that are important. The biggest is that the people pulling look healthy. They are well muscled, generally youngish men some of which may have gone shirtless but all of their clothes, while banal, are in reasonably good condition. They look like any random work crew of medieval laborers.

Also crucially is how much the soldiers and priests are on the same level. They do not tower over the workers, and while they have nicer garb it is far from opulent. They are all walking side by side in mixed ranks, giving a sense of them all collectively going forward as a people. 40k art is very good about having the higher-ups be literally above the masses and clad in ludicrously ornate gear, separated as being an entirely different class. Which is a compliment to both sides, as they are serving the setting well in both instances.

Other small details too but you get the point.

Personally i think the giant flying steampunk airships might be the biggest diffrence.

Chikout wrote:
This art pretty much sums up why I love AoS.

reminds me of good old Warhammer

That's because it is. Clue's in the name.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's really weird that Vanguard went LCTB...but I think there's a namechange coming.

Assuming GW are planning on keeping the Stormcast with the older styled armour around. Its probably going to be replaced with there side of the Soul Wars box. A Night Haunt SC with there half of the box would not surprise me either.

That said there is always the possibility that GW intend to redo all the Stormcast in the new style and the Vanguard are first in line

 kodos wrote:

Chikout wrote:
This art pretty much sums up why I love AoS.

reminds me of good old Warhammer

Woa there sir, as I have been told many, many, many times WHFB was a gritty low-magic setting without massive over-the-top stuff like AoS has.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 kodos wrote:

Chikout wrote:
This art pretty much sums up why I love AoS.

reminds me of good old Warhammer

Woa there sir, as I have been told many, many, many times WHFB was a gritty low-magic setting without massive over-the-top stuff like AoS has.

Only on the table - the lore was always more high magic than the tabletop

Heck in one of the Gotrek and Felix stories there's a full on chaos siege of a city with living siege towers and everything! And an airship piloted by dwarven Billy Connolly

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's really weird that Vanguard went LCTB...but I think there's a namechange coming.

Assuming GW are planning on keeping the Stormcast with the older styled armour around. Its probably going to be replaced with there side of the Soul Wars box. A Night Haunt SC with there half of the box would not surprise me either.

Bluntly, if they were going to do that for Stormcast? We would see Thunderstrike Brotherhood get the boot first and replaced with the Soul Wars half or some weird amalgation of the two.

Vanguard have always been in a weird spot, thanks to them not having gotten their own book like Extremis did to really solidify "what the subfaction is about". It definitely didn't help that it looked like they got some items jammed into their roster(the Raptors, from what I've been able to gather, were a last minute addition "because they have crossbows too!").

That said there is always the possibility that GW intend to redo all the Stormcast in the new style and the Vanguard are first in line

They've said that the intention is to keep the current Stormcast, yes. The new stuff is just a new variant of armor...although I would not be shocked to see more Vanguard-y styled models coming.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 kodos wrote:

Chikout wrote:
This art pretty much sums up why I love AoS.

reminds me of good old Warhammer

Woa there sir, as I have been told many, many, many times WHFB was a gritty low-magic setting without massive over-the-top stuff like AoS has.

Well I guess those people have never read or even seen the old Chaos Army books.
Up until 7th, Warhammer had the same over the top stuff that AoS has, it just never made it to the table and was for style (or terrain) only

it just went down when the over the top stuff was tuned down in the background but therefore made it to the table when things started to change (and went downhill)

 Kanluwen wrote:

Bluntly, if they were going to do that for Stormcast? We would see Thunderstrike Brotherhood get the boot first and replaced with the Soul Wars half or some weird amalgation of the two.

Yeah but the Thunderstrike brotherhood is unfortunately still the only place to get a Lord Relictor. Soul wars is in a similar situation with the Lord-Arcanum on Gryph-charger. But everything in the Vanguard SC is available separately. Of course maybe the Vanguard set just didn't sell very well.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Bluntly, if they were going to do that for Stormcast? We would see Thunderstrike Brotherhood get the boot first and replaced with the Soul Wars half or some weird amalgation of the two.

Yeah but the Thunderstrike brotherhood is unfortunately still the only place to get a Lord Relictor. Soul wars is in a similar situation with the Lord-Arcanum on Gryph-charger. But everything in the Vanguard SC is available separately. Of course maybe the Vanguard set just didn't sell very well.

It being the only place to get a Lord-Relictor means nothing. They could just Direct Only that frame, like they did with the Royal Court/Marine heroes from Indomitus. He's on a frame with all the unit champions anyways.

Lord-Arcanum on Gryph-Charger argument really doesn't work either seeing as how the sprue for that is easier to separate out than the other one.

That's the Lord-Arcanum and the Evocator-Prime, by the by, on the same frame...who makes a great stand-in for a Lord-Arcanum on foot.

 Kanluwen wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Bluntly, if they were going to do that for Stormcast? We would see Thunderstrike Brotherhood get the boot first and replaced with the Soul Wars half or some weird amalgation of the two.

Yeah but the Thunderstrike brotherhood is unfortunately still the only place to get a Lord Relictor. Soul wars is in a similar situation with the Lord-Arcanum on Gryph-charger. But everything in the Vanguard SC is available separately. Of course maybe the Vanguard set just didn't sell very well.

It being the only place to get a Lord-Relictor means nothing. They could just Direct Only that frame, like they did with the Royal Court/Marine heroes from Indomitus. He's on a frame with all the unit champions anyways.

Lord-Arcanum on Gryph-Charger argument really doesn't work either seeing as how the sprue for that is easier to separate out than the other one.

Spoiler:

That's the Lord-Arcanum and the Evocator-Prime, by the by, on the same frame...who makes a great stand-in for a Lord-Arcanum on foot.

If they're going to sell that sprue separately, you can bet it's going to be like 45 Quid at least if not more, given how a Lord-Aquilor on a Gryph-Charger is 25 Quid, and most Lords (Lord-Veritant, Lord-Ordinator, Lord-Exorcist, Lord Celestant) tend to go for around 20 Quid, and some like Lord-Castellant or the named Lord-Ordinator go for around 23 Quid. Add the fact that GW prices are always going up...

 Overread wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 kodos wrote:

Chikout wrote:
This art pretty much sums up why I love AoS.

reminds me of good old Warhammer

Woa there sir, as I have been told many, many, many times WHFB was a gritty low-magic setting without massive over-the-top stuff like AoS has.

Only on the table - the lore was always more high magic than the tabletop

Heck in one of the Gotrek and Felix stories there's a full on chaos siege of a city with living siege towers and everything! And an airship piloted by dwarven Billy Connolly

Look, if anyone from the Old World deserves to be reincarnated in AoS, it’s Dwarf Billy Connelly. Seriously, a Kharadron Slayer/Shipwright who lost one too many a haul to the grotbag scuttlers and got together with a bunch of like-minded idiots to build the sky ship that could take them all on and win, counting profit in green blood spilled rather than aethergold.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 kodos wrote:

Chikout wrote:
This art pretty much sums up why I love AoS.

reminds me of good old Warhammer

Woa there sir, as I have been told many, many, many times WHFB was a gritty low-magic setting without massive over-the-top stuff like AoS has.

Only on the table - the lore was always more high magic than the tabletop

Heck in one of the Gotrek and Felix stories there's a full on chaos siege of a city with living siege towers and everything! And an airship piloted by dwarven Billy Connolly

Look, if anyone from the Old World deserves to be reincarnated in AoS, it’s Dwarf Billy Connelly. Seriously, a Kharadron Slayer/Shipwright who lost one too many a haul to the grotbag scuttlers and got together with a bunch of like-minded idiots to build the sky ship that could take them all on and win, counting profit in green blood spilled rather than aethergold.

Unironically, a Character Skyvessel would be really cool.

Everyone is running around that Grungni might come back as a god in the AoS setting and reunite the Dwarves


I say let the Spirit of Grungni fly again!

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Only in the bizarro-world of GW fandom could customers being upset they're unable to buy product due to mismanagement and scalper-baiting policies be characterised as "hating"

We weren't speaking about people leveling legitimate criticisms--we were speaking about people who claim they do not want the box, complain they cannot get the box, and do both simultaneously with the box still being widely available. Which happened with Indomitus. A lot.

You elected to mischaracterize the original sentiment to create a straw man rather than engaging on a reasonable level. This is something you do frequently across multiple different discussions.

Or, back in Realityville - I responded to your remarks with exactly the level of reasonableness I considered they merited, because I believe your mythical hordes of deserving hypocrites are either a mirage you've unwittingly made for yourself because you're really annoyed by that behaviour but know deep down that nobody will understand that level of annoyance over something so trivial unless you portray it as a plague upon the hobby, or just a deliberate fiction for the same reason, because I've neither seen this supposed stampede of dishonest haters nor seen it complained about literally anywhere else but here, now.

I can't ascertain whether that's typical behaviour for yourself, since I don't have a scoob who you are.

Responding with an even larger strawman doesn't exactly undermine my point...

Also can anyone else decipher the meaning of his last statement there? I get he's saying he doesn't know who I am but... why? I legitimately don't get it.

I think it's in reference to your comment, where you state he acts in a particular way in multiple threads. The implication is that you have been watching what he says whilst, in contrast, he has no idea who you are. Ultimately, the vibe I get is negative - you watch him and therefore must care whereas he doesn't watch you and he doesn't care.

Then again, I could be way of the mark here...

Thanks, I guess that makes a certain sort of sense.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/06/02/the-new-edition-of-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-delivers-the-most-comprehensive-ruleset-ever/

All of the rules have been given a number for easy referencing, and the key sections are clarified with additional points to make everything crystal clear. You’ll also find margin notes which call out referenced rules, points to note, and examples.

Credit where credit is due--the new formatting style looks very well designed. Glad to see look out sir remain* as it was instead of trying to fix what isn't broken, excited if still anxious to see more.

*Bar closing a loop hole, which is extra good.

Dang, I was really hoping Look out Sir! would make the heros untargetable like in 40k.

Character dependent armies really needed that change.

 Sasori wrote:
Dang, I was really hoping Look out Sir! would make the heros untargetable like in 40k.

Character dependent armies really needed that change.

Yeah, I must say, I’m very disappointed with nothing changing with shooting. It may get nerfs elsewhere with reactions and stuff, but right now I’m pretty concerned with 3rd.