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Militia, I would say, will be one of the few last things they will do IF they do it at all. They still have to release the Word Bearer praetors they’ve shown. Salamanders, Fists, Ultramarines and maybe some more are also missing Praetors.

 CragHack wrote:
They still have to release the Word Bearer praetors they’ve shown.

I'd completely forgotten about those - from the April Preview.

 zedmeister wrote:
Well. That's that. Seems they [FW] haven't got a clue what to do with Heresy at the moment, at least that's what I get from the outside.

They really should do some sort of roadmap like they did for Necromunda if for nothing else then at least showing us a vague idea that something is happening....

I've just recently emailed them with some of my issues and concerns about things like this - the lack of FW communication, no roadmap, nothing about future plans, and so on. I used whatever the customer service email is on their site, and got a response back a few days later that said that they appreciated any feedback, and that my message would be passed on to the relevant teams, though they(the customer service rep) couldn't guarantee a response or any changes. Which I understand - development in wargames often takes several years and whatnot - but really I'd love for them to just tell us more, give the players more articles on lore, more army showcases, and so on. As for their plans for the Heresy, even a vague statement like "We have some upcoming plastic releases in late 2021, and legion-specific praetors for Legion X and Legion Y are almost ready to be shown as well" would satisfy me. Just... something.

 Mr. Grey wrote:
I've just recently emailed them with some of my issues and concerns about things like this - the lack of FW communication, no roadmap, nothing about future plans, and so on.

One of the two guys in charge of the heresy at GW just left the company to work for the company that makes the Total War computer games. That, in conjunction with the pace of releases over the last two years and the focus on primaris, doesn't leave me hopeful.

Yeah I just posted that like, a page back. Really, if you have any worries about Heresy, email them. Flood them with messages about why you're worried. Be polite. Customer feedback is super important.

I did hear a bit ago on the Eye of Horus podcast that there are some rumors that 30k will be moving more toward a Necromunda-style release schedule, so a smaller book and a plastic kit every quarter or so.Not sure how much faith to put into that, but again it ties into the whole "lack of communication from FW" thing, which is where emailing them and letting them know you want more news about Horus Heresy comes in.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
One of the two guys in charge of the heresy at GW just left the company to work for the company that makes the Total War computer games.

Total War: Horus Heresy confirmed!

Well this all makes the mess that is the current Night Lords make sense at least I guess.

beast_gts wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
They still have to release the Word Bearer praetors they’ve shown.

I'd completely forgotten about those - from the April Preview.

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Those still look like they could be very easily made into regular, non-gak plastic .

Problem is, plastic is only profitable/affordable if they make a large amount. Should they make less, these could have the same price as resin. And they can’t make more, because Heresy is not that popular, obviously. Just because they have been neglecting it/operating as an amateur garage casting company, w/o any communication.

the problem is they need to just update it to the newest rules set.....all it would take is to update the Armory books like they published 3 or so years ago to 9th Edition.

People can still have the huge black fluff books but at least people could play the same set of rules most the other GW players are using....making them fully compatible would be even better.

Also would say having fully compatible rules for all the 30k resin stuff would probably increase sales as well...as I cant imagine the sales are great on the stuff that is still only stuck with 30k rules from 2 editions ago now.

HH would be doing better if they actually put in any semblance of effort. High price of entry, no reasonable starter box, over reliance on resin, etc. They discontinued mk II armor with no plastic kit to replace it. The rules are more crunchy and complex than i'd like. What this game has going for it is the fantastic setting and some of the models (gal vorbak and such). But they've let it sit and stagnate for too long.

40 points seems like a lot for a W1 Terminator.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
40 points seems like a lot for a W1 Terminator.

I mean, if you recall, it took until 7th for the basic Power Fist + Storm Bolter Terminator to be brought down for even 35 points. GW probably thinks that even with just the dinky swords that the shooting and all the other rules makes them 40 points.


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 Thargrim wrote:
HH would be doing better if they actually put in any semblance of effort. High price of entry, no reasonable starter box, over reliance on resin, etc. They discontinued mk II armor with no plastic kit to replace it. The rules are more crunchy and complex than i'd like. What this game has going for it is the fantastic setting and some of the models (gal vorbak and such). But they've let it sit and stagnate for too long.

We technically had two reasonable starter sets with Mk3 and Mk4 stuff but they won't do those anymore for reasons.

 CragHack wrote:
Problem is, plastic is only profitable/affordable if they make a large amount. Should they make less, these could have the same price as resin. And they can’t make more, because Heresy is not that popular, obviously. Just because they have been neglecting it/operating as an amateur garage casting company, w/o any communication.

All the other companies doing plastics seem to disagree. I mean, I'm sure Oathmark is not as popular as HH, for example, and they have... what, like eight plastic kits already?

And we're talking about companies that can't do their molds in-house, so for GW it should be cheaper, not more expensive.

 Albertorius wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Problem is, plastic is only profitable/affordable if they make a large amount. Should they make less, these could have the same price as resin. And they can’t make more, because Heresy is not that popular, obviously. Just because they have been neglecting it/operating as an amateur garage casting company, w/o any communication.

All the other companies doing plastics seem to disagree. I mean, I'm sure Oathmark is not as popular as HH, for example, and they have... what, like eight plastic kits already?

And we're talking about companies that can't do their molds in-house, so for GW it should be cheaper, not more expensive.

The Oathmark kits are made by Renedra, and are generic enough they can be used with other game systems. But yes, more & more companies are making stuff in plastic - I like the stuff Wargames Atlantic is doing (and they have an interesting page about it - Wargames Atlantic Outsource).

GW's financial report mentioned that their new new factory & warehouse still aren't completely up and running, so I wonder if this is delaying things even more.

Please don’t forget that there are HH plastic kits; Mk. III & IV marines, the two terminator kits, the (actually pretty terrible for GW but still better than some companies) Contemptor, the first Custodes kit, the SoS, & the terminator/PA captains set. That’s eight moulds right there, all made specifically for the Heresy and still available separately. The space Wolf and 1ksons characters from the prospero box were exclusive.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
The space Wolf character from the prospero box was an exclusive IIRC.

As was the Ahriman. There's still rumours of a MKII & bikes box, but it's been so long I don't think that's going to happen.

chaos45 wrote:
the problem is they need to just update it to the newest rules set.....all it would take is to update the Armory books like they published 3 or so years ago to 9th Edition.

People can still have the huge black fluff books but at least people could play the same set of rules most the other GW players are using....making them fully compatible would be even better.

Also would say having fully compatible rules for all the 30k resin stuff would probably increase sales as well...as I cant imagine the sales are great on the stuff that is still only stuck with 30k rules from 2 editions ago now.

The 9E rules are the reason I’m still playing 30k.
An edition change for 30k is very different from 40k.

Books tend to be far more expensive and slow to release.
A lot of people would just drop 30k after having £200+ in books made invalid.

Most of my group plays 30k because of how it plays.
The group grew by quite a bit thanks to 9E rules and people not liking them.

We don’t need a 40k MK2, it’s a different game and needs to stay that way.

And, of course, The Khan still needs to be sculpted/released - he is the last Primarch to be done, and the only one we're waiting for, isn't he?

beast_gts wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
The space Wolf character from the prospero box was an exclusive IIRC.

As was the Ahriman. There's still rumours of a MKII & bikes box, but it's been so long I don't think that's going to happen.

tks, corrected.

If HH is to survive, they need rules to be compatible with 9th.
Housing based on an old rule set that you have to buy several very expensive books for is insane.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If HH is to survive, they need rules to be compatible with 9th.
Housing based on an old rule set that you have to buy several very expensive books for is insane.

So it’s less insane to screw every 30k player on all those expensive books they already own?

 Dysartes wrote:
And, of course, The Khan still needs to be sculpted/released - he is the last Primarch to be done, and the only one we're waiting for, isn't he?

Yes (assuming they're not doing Omegon). Then the various empowered Traitor versions.

Jackal90 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If HH is to survive, they need rules to be compatible with 9th.
Housing based on an old rule set that you have to buy several very expensive books for is insane.

So it’s less insane to screw every 30k player on all those expensive books they already own?

Yes, start up needs to be brought to a minimum.
40k is bad at start up too, but not as bad as 30k.
Besides, it's not like they are taking your books away, you still have them.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If HH is to survive, they need rules to be compatible with 9th.
Housing based on an old rule set that you have to buy several very expensive books for is insane.

So it’s less insane to screw every 30k player on all those expensive books they already own?

Yes, start up needs to be brought to a minimum.
40k is bad at start up too, but not as bad as 30k.
Besides, it's not like they are taking your books away, you still have them.

Except those books are then entirely useless for the purpose people paid for.

By that same logic, we can remove a few armies from 40k entirely but it’s fine, you still have the models.

Jackal90 wrote:
Except those books are then entirely useless for the purpose people paid for.

By that same logic, we can remove a few armies from 40k entirely but it’s fine, you still have the models.

No, it would be more like if you have, let's say, 40k 7th edition and the codex for your armies and GW releases a new edition, let's say the 8th ( ). Or 2nd to 3rd, etc.

You still have everything to play the edition you have, but it won't be supported anymore.

Jackal90 wrote:

Except those books are then entirely useless for the purpose people paid for.

By that same logic, we can remove a few armies from 40k entirely but it’s fine, you still have the models.

I still play 6th Edition WFB, despite GW not supporting it.
Believe it or not, but books and models won't suddenly disappear from your shelf just because GW have decided to move on.

I own the first four black books in hardback, bought them on release and have peered through their gilded pages many times - mostly just because they're nice objects. I don't play 30K though, but would be tempted in if they finally updated and streamlined the process. Mostly I would like plastic troops still, preferably from MK.III through to VI.

 CragHack wrote:
Problem is, plastic is only profitable/affordable if they make a large amount. Should they make less, these could have the same price as resin. And they can’t make more, because Heresy is not that popular, obviously. Just because they have been neglecting it/operating as an amateur garage casting company, w/o any communication.

I mean, everything GW makes in plastic is marked up like 2000% from it's actual value anyway so...

I know several HH players who would completely stop playing if the game were changed to the 9th Ed ruleset. We'd probably keep playing the current edition and just stop buying HH altogether. The fact that it isn't 8th/9th, with armor facings and USRs rather than wombo-combo stratagems, is part of the appeal.

 Eiríkr wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

Except those books are then entirely useless for the purpose people paid for.

By that same logic, we can remove a few armies from 40k entirely but it’s fine, you still have the models.

I still play 6th Edition WFB, despite GW not supporting it.
Believe it or not, but books and models won't suddenly disappear from your shelf just because GW have decided to move on..

People like to say this a lot, but it really, really depends on your local community. The majority of people are only interested in following the Party Line and once a ruleset is no longer officially supported, drop it like a bad habit. It's all well and good you wanting to use them, but if none else is willing to accommodate that's a fat load of good, plus the odds of getting new blood in are slim to zero.