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ImAGeek wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Has anything actually been 'confirmed' about this potential set, and what it contains?

There’s been nothing official from GW yet, no. Just the leaked photos.

TwilightSparkles wrote:The leaked photos though are convincing , Spartan isn’t massively bigger than a landraider , and fists vs sons of horus ties into the final siege on Terra as well be seeing the 7th siege book around November I guess.

My guess would be £140-£180.

Thanks guys - much appreciated!

I went on vacation for a couple of weeks and wasn't sure if I missed anything "official"!

Admiral SKK / Mikhael on Reddit:

Image blocked?

 zedmeister wrote:
Image blocked?

Also not a Reddit link - "gw-fanworld.net"?

Found it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/ojaa65/horus_heresy_age_of_darkness/

As known, we will get a Horus Heresy reboot in November. A little Bird twittered...

Note that some Points were maybe already leaked.

New "Edition" in Nov 2021

GW will overtake Horus Heresy as a "new" System from FW

Own Ruleset like the last one from FW, not a 9th Edition 40k adaption like many guess

Many new Plastic Sets are planned to replace FW Resin Models which will be also useful with 40k Armies

GW will overtake the Decals for all 18 Legions, Characteres and very Legion specific Stuff remains with FW

As a new Main System, Horus Heresy Story will expanded with Themed Expansions like the "Warzone" Books in 40k - the reboot beginns with the Battle for the Sol System, later they will revisit earlier "Warzones" like Istvaan III, Istvaan V, Prospero, Tallarn ect. with focus on certain Factions

Warzone Expansions replace the "Black Books" permanently

Horus Heresy is planned over many Years and will also Expanded into a "Age of Darkness" Game with multiple Setting, including the Scourge or the Great Crusade (see The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit as "Middleearth" SBG)

Also, the Launch Box is "while stocks last"

Eh, would be good if true, not putting a lot of stock in random Reddit rumours though. The box we’ve seen being a limited edition launch box is pretty much a given at this point though.

GW will overtake Horus Heresy as a "new" System from FW

If it means continued support, Great!

Own Ruleset like the last one from FW, not a 9th Edition 40k adaption like many guess

Stick with the adapted 7th rules. Nothing "Bespoke" please.

Many new Plastic Sets are planned to replace FW Resin Models which will be also useful with 40k Armies

More plastics is exactly what the game needs.

GW will overtake the Decals for all 18 Legions, Characteres and very Legion specific Stuff remains with FW

As long as they stay in stock, fantastic.

As a new Main System, Horus Heresy Story will expanded with Themed Expansions like the "Warzone" Books in 40k - the reboot beginns with the Battle for the Sol System, later they will revisit earlier "Warzones" like Istvaan III, Istvaan V, Prospero, Tallarn ect. with focus on certain Factions

Hmmm... Not instilling a whole lot of confidence here. All i'm seeing from this is the sort of bloat the has plagued 8th and 9th.

Warzone Expansions replace the "Black Books" permanently

Nah.. No thanks.

Horus Heresy is planned over many Years and will also Expanded into a "Age of Darkness" Game with multiple Setting, including the Scourge or the Great Crusade (see The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit as "Middleearth" SBG)

A Great Crusade style expansion with Xenos and non-Imperium Humans would be cool.

Yeah, I wouldn't trust any of those rumors. Its a reddit newbie that never commented or posted about 40k or anything GW related until a few days ago, and then suddenly they are just posting random unsourced rumors like they are giving away free candy.

The rumors sound like a a 50/50 mix of common sense/educated guesswork and wishlisting.

Indeed. Looking through the list, a lot of these are probably easy guesses in that this is the most likely direction of travel and the rumour peddler hasn't got a scooby.

Yeah, sounds like something Faeit usually makes up to generate clicks, nonsense.

Was Faeit gone for a while? That used to be my number 1 rumor site like a decade ago. Then I stopped seeing it, until last week where its popping up again

Wishful thinking, made up nonsense etc. Sounds like nafka, BoLS etc.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Wishful thinking, made up nonsense etc. Sounds like nafka, BoLS etc.

A lot of this sounds similar to what the Eye of Horus Podcast guys heard rumored late last year as well, especially the part about the black books being replaced with more frequent updates sort of Necromunda-style.

Yeah, I wouldn't trust any of those rumors. Its a reddit newbie that never commented or posted about 40k or anything GW related until a few days ago, and then suddenly they are just posting random unsourced rumors like they are giving away free candy.

Reddit newbie doesn't necessarily mean anything. I don't want to get too "conspiracy theory" here, but there's always a non-zero chance that GW themselves had someone on a social media team post these rumors in order to keep up excitement for upcoming releases. That said, "a little bird twittered" annoys the heck out of me - if you're gonna post that you got these rumors from someone tweeting, the least you could do is screenshot or link the actual tweets. At this point the reddit post is secondhand rumors from an already secondhand source.


On the rumors themselves: A lot of this ties into what the Eye of Horus Podcast guys heard late last year about the changes coming to 30K. At the time, nothing panned out because nothing ever came of it - it wasn't until a couple weeks that it even looked like anything new was happening with HH at all.

I'd be ok with these supposed "Warzone" books, but also very much like the black books to continue being a thing. They're beautiful editions that look great on a shelf and are awesome to dive into for inspiration. It helps that FW goes all out with fully illustrated interiors, that faux leather cover, etc. They're absolutely worth the price. Going by that, getting Warzone books on a regular basis would be awesome, and then ideally FW could still also do black books but maybe on a less frequent schedule? I know that the last few have taken a while between books, but in theory it looks like maybe FW and GW are starting to put more resources into 30k as well.

"Plastic sets to replace resin models" is kind of a no duh, it makes a lot of sense for them to release plastic versions of the most popular resin kits. Deimos tanks, Spartans, power armors of various types, and so on. I'd also love a Javelin land speeder in plastic.

"GW doing decals", cool. As long as they're the same high quality as the current Forge World ones, and will be available on a permanent basis.

"New edition" "it's own ruleset", etc. It's not going to be 9th, I think that should be obvious. If it were a 9th ed ruleset it would have released last year and timed similarly to the 40k rules being updated.
Here I'd very much want it to stay very similar to the Age of Darkness rules(being based on 7th ed), and previous rumors have mentioned some tweaks, like Dreadnoughts getting wounds and Toughness rather than hull points - things like this make sense to me. I'd rather not have it be a brand new ruleset built from the ground up.

"Age of Darkness game with multiple setting" doesn't mean much. Best way to do "multiple setting" would be to release sourcebooks for that setting. Put out an Imperial Armour-style book detailing The Scouring, or one for the Great Crusade. Wouldn't take much more than that.

It'd be a shame to do away with the big black books. They were sketching out a story, and were a good way of following the events of the HH without having to delve into Black Library's endless quagmire that is the Horus Heresy novel series, a series that got away from them about 80 books ago.

Then again, given that the last FW HH book was somehow both much thinner and yet still more expensive than previous books, maybe it's for the best?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
a series that got away from them about 80 books ago.

I was going to laugh at this, but then realised that (horrifically) you're right. There's like just shy of 200 Horus Heresy publications (not including collections/omnibus/etc)

 Snrub wrote:
I was going to laugh at this, but then realised that (horrifically) you're right. There's like just shy of 200 Horus Heresy publications (not including collections/omnibus/etc)

200? Holy gak man... I was lowballing it for fear of being too exaggerative.

 Snrub wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
a series that got away from them about 80 books ago.

I was going to laugh at this, but then realised that (horrifically) you're right. There's like just shy of 200 Horus Heresy publications (not including collections/omnibus/etc)

Mierda, I've have guessed 50 or so.

It's 50 something actual books in the series and then presumably 200ish when counting all novellas etc?

Aye there is an insane amount.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Horus_Heresy_Series

54 from the main series ( a few are anthologies). Plus an unholy amount of short stories, novellas, audio books and 1-offs.

If they make the black books irrelevant, they never understood 30k to begin with. I don't play it for the fluff either, I play it because it's a much better game than what 40k has become. I don't know why they'd be in such a hurry to ruin it.

WOW , I think I stopped about book 35ish....

I guess they really did go into the whole history including Alpharius stubbing his (or was it Omegon's ) toe.

 Crablezworth wrote:
If they make the black books irrelevant, they never understood 30k to begin with. I don't play it for the fluff either, I play it because it's a much better game than what 40k has become. I don't know why they'd be in such a hurry to ruin it.

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I really like my big black books and would hate to see them go away... they really are fantastic, bespoke collectors books that were well written and illustrated up until about book 7, which is when Alan Bligh passed away. Since then, the books have kinda floundered.

If they want to take them in smaller more practical bites like they've done with titanicus I'm all for it, they can still sell a sexed up leather bound special edition of the smaller books every new release. That is infinitely better than throwing everything out just to sell it to you in a worse form again.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

A lot of this sounds similar to what the Eye of Horus Podcast guys heard rumored late last year as well, especially the part about the black books being replaced with more frequent updates sort of Necromunda-style.

So more or less like regular 40k then: books with a shelf life of six months, rinse, repeat, add new errors with every pass.

Because they're doing such a great work with Necromunda on that regard.

Such. A. Great. Work.

Hell's Bell's I reeaaaalllly hope that rumour pile isn't true.

That same rumour monger has posted a bunch of other garbage rumours which he rapidly deleted, and has other predictions still extant including an IG codex in September (almost certainly not) etc. Not inclined to believe him unless he's just copying that list from somebody else

The rumours track with GW's current way of doing business, so I'm inclined to believe that it's either a good guess or true.

It's the DLCification of the hobby. Push gamers to buy countless individual releases, sometimes with near-worthless limited editions and cheaply made "collectors items" like overpriced dice.

We'll blink and they'll change the board size from 6x4 too.

Lets hope this idiotic idea of a "Launch Box" gets flushed down the toilet and GW actually decides how to scale their models.