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JWBS wrote:
This new list makes me think, not next Summer for this release, but way earlier? (I had originally thought xmas, but when we didn't see it in the reveal I thought prolly next Summer, but all these leaks at once kinda say it's coming reasonably soon, like in the next 3-6 months? How far ahead have Valrak's other confirmed rumours been? And the other unknown guy with the big batch of confirmed rumours also, they were proven almost 100% correct within a couple of months).

The latest rumors don't feel like new leaks to me.

It is more like someone read the discussions here about the 3+Launch format,
and decided to flesh out the concept & float it as new info.

While the concept could track, Starters for 30k with better value than 40k or AOS seem like a pipedream.

 Gert wrote:
Sorry but the small box having 10 Marines and a small rulebook for £40 sounds like nonsense.
AoS Warrior edition is £36.50 for 18 minis plus the usual starter gubbins and the 40k Recruit edition is the same for 20 minis plus starter gubbins.
Even if HH was changed to have Patrol style detachments you don't even get enough to do a basic 1v1.
The biggest starter sets are still only £105 for 32 minis for 40k, 27 for AoS, and then terrain on top of that. Pelenor is £95 for 84 minis plus rules and gubbins. For this HH big box, we're talking double the cost of BaC for 5 more minis than were in BaC.
Why suddenly jump off a cliff price-wise for starter sets when the other main ranges have been consistent?

Yeah the prices seem a bit bad tbh. If not for the backing of the other rumour leakers I'd be pressing doubt. I hope the prices are lower than what we see here.


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 skrulnik wrote:


The latest rumors don't feel like new leaks to me.

It is more like someone read the discussions here about the 3+Launch format,
and decided to flesh out the concept & float it as new info.

Yeah.

JWBS wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Sorry but the small box having 10 Marines and a small rulebook for £40 sounds like nonsense.
AoS Warrior edition is £36.50 for 18 minis plus the usual starter gubbins and the 40k Recruit edition is the same for 20 minis plus starter gubbins.
Even if HH was changed to have Patrol style detachments you don't even get enough to do a basic 1v1.
The biggest starter sets are still only £105 for 32 minis for 40k, 27 for AoS, and then terrain on top of that. Pelenor is £95 for 84 minis plus rules and gubbins. For this HH big box, we're talking double the cost of BaC for 5 more minis than were in BaC.
Why suddenly jump off a cliff price-wise for starter sets when the other main ranges have been consistent?

Yeah the prices seem a bit bad tbh. If not for the backing of the other rumour leakers I'd be pressing doubt. I hope the prices are lower than what we see here.


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 skrulnik wrote:


The latest rumors don't feel like new leaks to me.

It is more like someone read the discussions here about the 3+Launch format,
and decided to flesh out the concept & float it as new info.

Yeah.

Big specialist game boxes are pricey, the grand master edition for titanicus was a pricey monolith as well.

Logic stands the marines are multi part full kits unless specified otherwise, so each 10 man set of marines is worth £36 or so individually and every 5 terminators are £40 currently based on the cataphractii.

£42 for the 2 characters seems normal, 30 marines is £108, 10 terminators is £80, the monopose contemptor is £35, then £25? For a rulebook.

That's £290ish in the £180 starter box. It's not the box prices that are ludicrous, it's that the prices for the contents are. The boxes will be a "good" saving.

The issue with that is that supposedly HH is now a mainline game.
KT: Octarius sits at 125 and that's because it's basically a giant terrain box.
Warcry: Catacombs is 87.50 and the aforementioned Pelenor is 95. BaC and Prospero were 95 each with only 5 less minis than the big starter box.
So even for a specialist game, it's pretty out there.
Just because the super mega box is "good value", doesn't mean any of the rest is.

Depends on the rulebook to me. The big box with a Spartan (Land raiders are 50-60 GBP) Rulebooks are 40. If they are redesigned (larger marine size) multipose models with multiple weapon options for the squads then I could easily see these prices as accurate. I might not like the prices, but I could see them setting them at this price. Also I could easily see GW making the models larger, just to screw with the recasters and companies that already make the HH pads in the old smaller sizes. They still don't realize that it's easy to resize models in 3D printing, but that will take them forever to come to grips with.

GW just keeps pricing their items out of my reach. I CAN afford them, I just don't WANT to pay that price, especially with all the attached bloated rules.

 Gert wrote:
The issue with that is that supposedly HH is now a mainline game.
KT: Octarius sits at 125 and that's because it's basically a giant terrain box.
Warcry: Catacombs is 87.50 and the aforementioned Pelenor is 95. BaC and Prospero were 95 each with only 5 less minis than the big starter box.
So even for a specialist game, it's pretty out there.
Just because the super mega box is "good value", doesn't mean any of the rest is.

I get other heresy boxes are cheaper, they're from several years ago now and prices have gone up. They also weren't mainline games but a discounted bundle in the guise of a board game. They were constantly sold out for being "too much value", a line they'll want to stay away from.

Their prices are sky high, this isn't utterly abnormal for them.

I'm not arguing that GW doesn't charge a premium, I'm arguing that the prices and content for the supposed HH starter sets don't align with the other main systems, which is what HH is according to GW.
I'm not talking about the launch box, rather the Big/Medium/Small sizes for Getting Started in each system.

Indomitus wasn't too long ago though was it, and that was pretty much universally seen as a great deal. Seems they're using the tiered template for releases established there (different from the Dark Imperium in that DI was the highest tier and wasn't ever limited) but they are really boosting up the prices, if this newest rumour is accurate.

 Gert wrote:
I'm not arguing that GW doesn't charge a premium, I'm arguing that the prices and content for the supposed HH starter sets don't align with the other main systems, which is what HH is according to GW.
I'm not talking about the launch box, rather the Big/Medium/Small sizes for Getting Started in each system.

Not to nitpick in return then but the elite starter is the nearest real comparison, £65 retail.

2 characters, call it £42 the same, £36.50 for the outriders and skorpekh, £29 for the warriors, £16 for the assault intercessors. Total value of ~£160, but as we know these are all nearly monopose and/or easy build, so the prices seem a little inflated in comparison.

I can keep reiterating that these new prices are both very high and a good deal simultaneously, it doesn't change much. Ultimately they want to charge more, either pay it or don't is a personal choice for everyone to make.

Except you're taking these rumours as fact when previous products of a similar vein if indeed any such products are released, come nowhere close to either the price or lack of content that these HH starters have. It flat out doesn't make sense unless you go for "GW overcharges for everything" angle, which still doesn't make sense when we have previous evidence to suggest otherwise. So either GW has been lying in their reports (unlikely) or the rumours have got something wrong (likely).

As for the rest of the stuff, as I said to a friend earlier today, these rumours are seemingly giving everyone what they want with regards to rules and releases. 7th Ed core for the old guard but 8th datasheet styling for the new kids. Starter sets for those who say HH has a high buy-in price. A nice big compendium for people who hate lots of books.
A bit convenient no?

240£? oof — that's close to 300€!

If they will indeed only release the new Contemptor and the characters in the launch box, that's going to hurt.

 Gert wrote:
Except you're taking these rumours as fact when previous products of a similar vein if indeed any such products are released, come nowhere close to either the price or lack of content that these HH starters have. It flat out doesn't make sense unless you go for "GW overcharges for everything" angle, which still doesn't make sense when we have previous evidence to suggest otherwise. So either GW has been lying in their reports (unlikely) or the rumours have got something wrong (likely).

As for the rest of the stuff, as I said to a friend earlier today, these rumours are seemingly giving everyone what they want with regards to rules and releases. 7th Ed core for the old guard but 8th datasheet styling for the new kids. Starter sets for those who say HH has a high buy-in price. A nice big compendium for people who hate lots of books.
A bit convenient no?

OK, don't put any stock in them that's fine, it is all convenient indeed, almost like they want to sell something that people are asking for if true.

Is there any credible source saying HH will become a Main game? I must say I find that highly unlikely with how the game was handled the last few years and also considering there weren't even hints at something like that anywhere on WarCom.
The Old World as a new mainline game? Yeah I'd buy that with how they build it up over months and the huge fame it got from TW.
Lotr returning to mainline Status? I'd believe that because of the recent starter, proper support and even return to translations for supplements.

HH, though? That game died with Alan and 8th edition and had more products vanish than added over the years. Yes, someone might have decided to keep that fanbase with a one off boxset (similar to the Pelennorbox maybe), but other than that I highly doubt they'll do more with it even if I'd be happy for the playerbase.
Edit: with the Box contents being Marines only so usable for 40K to boost sales I'm even more doubtful. No Mechanicum or Militia or anything HH specific that would let that system stand out I'm really sceptical.

Dudeface wrote:


OK, don't put any stock in them that's fine, it is all convenient indeed, almost like they want to sell something that people are asking for if true.

1 - It's not GW circulating these rumours so the selling part makes no sense.
2 - When has GW ever made a product that's pleased literally everybody ever?


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Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Is there any credible source saying HH will become a Main game? I must say I find that highly unlikely with how the game was handled the last few years and also considering there weren't even hints at something like that anywhere on WarCom.
The Old World as a new mainline game? Yeah I'd buy that with how they build it up over months and the huge fame it got from TW.
Lotr returning to mainline Status? I'd believe that because of the recent starter, proper support and even return to translations for supplements.

HH, though? That game died with Alan and 8th edition and had more products vanish than added over the years. Yes, someone might have decided to keep that fanbase with a one off boxset (similar to the Pelennorbox maybe), but other than that I highly doubt they'll do more with it even if I'd be happy for the playerbase.

The GW financial reports list HH as a main system alongside AoS and 40k.
Also, it's not a dead game. There are very active communities in the UK, Australia, and maybe New Zealand (not 100% on that last one though). There have been fairly consistent HH releases with the biggest issue being the lack of a general FAQ since 2019.

This new box looks way bigger than Pelennor though (way bigger than anything ever in fact), so that would satisfy one of your conditions to indicate that it might be headed for a bigger spot than it had previously.

Actually, Pelennor was pretty massive too. But still.

 Gert wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


OK, don't put any stock in them that's fine, it is all convenient indeed, almost like they want to sell something that people are asking for if true.

1 - It's not GW circulating these rumours so the selling part makes no sense.
2 - When has GW ever made a product that's pleased literally everybody ever?


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Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Is there any credible source saying HH will become a Main game? I must say I find that highly unlikely with how the game was handled the last few years and also considering there weren't even hints at something like that anywhere on WarCom.
The Old World as a new mainline game? Yeah I'd buy that with how they build it up over months and the huge fame it got from TW.
Lotr returning to mainline Status? I'd believe that because of the recent starter, proper support and even return to translations for supplements.

HH, though? That game died with Alan and 8th edition and had more products vanish than added over the years. Yes, someone might have decided to keep that fanbase with a one off boxset (similar to the Pelennorbox maybe), but other than that I highly doubt they'll do more with it even if I'd be happy for the playerbase.

The GW financial reports list HH as a main system alongside AoS and 40k.
Also, it's not a dead game. There are very active communities in the UK, Australia, and maybe New Zealand (not 100% on that last one though). There have been fairly consistent HH releases with the biggest issue being the lack of a general FAQ since 2019.

I've been following the HH releases but at times they seemed all over the place when some models got teased and then released two years later, or models got released with scopes on the wrong side of the barrel, or you just had versions of the same mortar tank for months or, as mentioned, scrapping of whole lines like mkII also got me worried. But I'll take your word for it.

The day MKII was lost was a day of great sorrow. The releases, in general, have been patchy but a lot of it, at least IMO, has just been down to the events of this last year. Prior to that things were getting out fine and TBH, a lot of the releases now are basically cosmetics rather than new units which is ok with me. The lack of updated army books has hampered things a bit sometimes but not to any serious degree that I've seen.

those price points are pretty steep for what they're claiming is in them. was originally thinking maybe I would grab like three of whatever the big box ended up being, but now I'm not so sure I'll get anything more than one.

that big box is also somewhat odd compared to the indominus and dominion boxes, each of which featured three to five heroes for each side, whereas this box features only one hero for each side.

JWBS wrote:
If you want to clarify for me - what do you think will not be included in the megabox? If not the tank (which is the impression you gave by pulling up that other image as proof...), then what?
/Edit - oh I see you've already replied. Okay, so what you're saying is that this may well be the contents, but the composite, despite possibly being a picture the entire contents of one release, is made up of pictures of two different releases? Okay, that just seems to be a bizarre conclusion to me, but whatever. I still say that's wrong too.

look dude, the main point of that post was to say that there would be more than one starter box, and if the rumors that have popped up since I posted that or anything to go by, it looks like I'm right. at this point we are uselessly equivalent over minor details for epeen and really nothing else.

How can anyone say that the two pictures that include the Spartan are different because one doesn't show the dice. The dice are further to the right, and one of the pictures cuts off before we get to where the dice would otherwise be.

chaos0xomega wrote:
those price points are pretty steep for what they're claiming is in them. was originally thinking maybe I would grab like three of whatever the big box ended up being, but now I'm not so sure I'll get anything more than one.

that big box is also somewhat odd compared to the indominus and dominion boxes, each of which featured three to five heroes for each side, whereas this box features only one hero for each side.

JWBS wrote:
If you want to clarify for me - what do you think will not be included in the megabox? If not the tank (which is the impression you gave by pulling up that other image as proof...), then what?
/Edit - oh I see you've already replied. Okay, so what you're saying is that this may well be the contents, but the composite, despite possibly being a picture the entire contents of one release, is made up of pictures of two different releases? Okay, that just seems to be a bizarre conclusion to me, but whatever. I still say that's wrong too.

look dude, the main point of that post was to say that there would be more than one starter box, and if the rumors that have popped up since I posted that or anything to go by, it looks like I'm right. at this point we are uselessly equivalent over minor details for epeen and really nothing else.

More than one starter box. Because the composite image is made up of images that come form more than one source image. Definitively indeed.

Just throwing this out there, but one of the images could have been from a book included?

I assume that the photos were surreptitiously snapped in a warehouse or something, so they would have been sealed boxes and the photographer would have only barely had time to take the photos, thus I assume they are box photos rather than something contained inside a book, etc.

I just assume most of these leaks come from GW.

Am I the only one a little disappointed with the Khan's model? The pose just doesn't do it for me and his face seems, forgive me, not asian enough?

 SickSix wrote:
Am I the only one a little disappointed with the Khan's model? The pose just doesn't do it for me and his face seems, forgive me, not asian enough?

I honestly really like his armor design and pose. However I really do agree that he pretty much just looks like a white dude, although the paintjob might have something to do with it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How can anyone say that the two pictures that include the Spartan are different because one doesn't show the dice. The dice are further to the right, and one of the pictures cuts off before we get to where the dice would otherwise be.

Also, the Spartan is obviously a conversion.

I thought pound sterling was abbreviated GBP not BP like in the rumor.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Am I the only one a little disappointed with the Khan's model? The pose just doesn't do it for me and his face seems, forgive me, not asian enough?

I honestly really like his armor design and pose. However I really do agree that he pretty much just looks like a white dude, although the paintjob might have something to do with it.

Everyone in Eavy Metal paintjobs looks like white dudes, even the women. Especially the women.

chaos0xomega wrote:
look dude, the main point of that post was to say that there would be more than one starter box, and if the rumors that have popped up since I posted that or anything to go by, it looks like I'm right. at this point we are uselessly equivalent over minor details for epeen and really nothing else.

Given the rumours have popped up since you floated the idea - and have been seen on faeit (or however you spell it) of all places - the odds are that someone has recycled your talking points more than they are genuine rumours at this point.

I'd hold off on the self-back-slapping until we hear information direct from the horse's mouth, though that may well take a while.

Next October is the 35th anniversary of Rogue Trader and, more importantly, the RTB01 boxed set.

I'm pretty sure that this boxed set will be a way of celebrating that anniversary.

So I reckon we have a while yet before we see anything official from GW.

Most likely a reveal on next year's Warhammer Day in October 2022 with a release in November.

I suspect AT and current Heresy will close out the Heresy, leading up to this set, which is the start of Siege of Terra.