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Why do people care what the outer circle thinks? His name doesn't carry any legitimacy. He's just some random guy who has managed to make himself a figurehead.
His videos are garbage. As described above, they're disorganized, emotional, poorly reasoned diatribes. Why would I give someone my attention and contribute to him earning money for content like that?
And I don't even say that as a GW apologist. I have plenty of negative feelings about them.
He's just that garbage.
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ClockworkZion wrote: On a different note: bayonets of both types give +1 strength to melee attacks and count as two-handed weapons but chain-bayonets also confer shred (+1ppm for bayonets, +2ppm for chain bayonets) so I think anyone wanting to run melee will be looking at those depending on the rules they have.
Wait. Does that mean that a chain bayonet hits harder than a chainsword?
Saw someone do the math, and they don't hit as hard but they're better per-point on regular tacticals than taking a chainsword. Regular bayonets are also not good.
On despoilers the chainsword is significantly better than the heavy chainsword against other basic marines, but against anything higher or lower T the heavy chainsword is better.
I reckon a two week pre-order beginning next Saturday.
Not only are unboxings out in the wild, and indeed reviews/how to paints, but it would cross Common Monthly Pay Dates.
I myself am paid early on the 23rd (tomorrow cannot come quick enough. Moving house is expensive, and I’ve a prospective new woman to take on dates!), but most will be paid next weekend if my dates are correct.
I’m expecting this to sell really well - especially if the touted £180 price tag is correct. I’m also expecting an Indomitus Style “Made To Order” as well, mostly for the printed components.
I might treat myself. But there are a lot of To Buy things on my list. Including some lighting solutions which are much needed for my front room, so Heresy may have to wait. Until July.
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One of my favourite things about /tg/s Horus Heresy general is that any time a Macca/OC post is brought up, everyone will respond to the person citing him by calling Macca a drooling moron.
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jojo_monkey_boy wrote: Why do people care what the outer circle thinks? His name doesn't carry any legitimacy. He's just some random guy who has managed to make himself a figurehead.
His videos are garbage. As described above, they're disorganized, emotional, poorly reasoned diatribes. Why would I give someone my attention and contribute to him earning money for content like that?
And I don't even say that as a GW apologist. I have plenty of negative feelings about them.
He's just that garbage.
Yeah NGL I absolutely loathe GW but Macca in particular just comes off as a total crank.
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The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy.
ClockworkZion wrote: On a different note: bayonets of both types give +1 strength to melee attacks and count as two-handed weapons but chain-bayonets also confer shred (+1ppm for bayonets, +2ppm for chain bayonets) so I think anyone wanting to run melee will be looking at those depending on the rules they have.
Wait. Does that mean that a chain bayonet hits harder than a chainsword?
For the downside of not being able to stack with other melee weapons? Yes. You're literally taking both hands and stabbing your gun as hard as possible into the guy in front of you which you can do harder than swinging a stick that goes brrrrrrr.
ClockworkZion wrote: On a different note: bayonets of both types give +1 strength to melee attacks and count as two-handed weapons but chain-bayonets also confer shred (+1ppm for bayonets, +2ppm for chain bayonets) so I think anyone wanting to run melee will be looking at those depending on the rules they have.
Wait. Does that mean that a chain bayonet hits harder than a chainsword?
Saw someone do the math, and they don't hit as hard but they're better per-point on regular tacticals than taking a chainsword. Regular bayonets are also not good.
On despoilers the chainsword is significantly better than the heavy chainsword against other basic marines, but against anything higher or lower T the heavy chainsword is better.
I'd like to point out that one the charge Blood Angels can wound other MEQ on a 2+ with their legion trait (S5 means they'd wound on 3+ but their Legion trait moves it to a 2+) so even the cheaper 1ppm bayonet works well for them.
Now that said bayonets are limited to models with bolters so it seems more like a way to give Tactical some teeth since they're since a major core of the army and were largely limited to shooting.
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Just to make sure I didn't miss something this is going to be a normally available box set (though obliviously not forever) and not one of those sets where once it is sold out that is it?
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote: Just to make sure I didn't miss something this is going to be a normally available box set (though obliviously not forever) and not one of those sets where once it is sold out that is it?
They've said this one is here to stay. Not a limited splash release.
blood reaper wrote: Yeah NGL I absolutely loathe GW but Macca in particular just comes off as a total crank.
Yeah, he's pretty... exhausting, would be the best word. I mean every day it's something else is wrong with whatever GW has posted, no detail too minor, no rule too low key - he'll decry it as the worst thing to have ever happened.
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Well gak. That scuppers my plan of using the chainbayonets as additional CCWs for my Dark angels. Guess i'll have to find actually chainswords for them now.
I’m not sure on the whole 2 week preorders, it’s the jubilee weekend the 11th so there’ll be a lot going on, so maybe it is just next week or maybe 3 weeks? I could be wrong (probably am but still something to think about)
Ahtman wrote: Just to make sure I didn't miss something this is going to be a normally available box set (though obliviously not forever) and not one of those sets where once it is sold out that is it?
They've said this one is here to stay. Not a limited splash release.
blood reaper wrote: Yeah NGL I absolutely loathe GW but Macca in particular just comes off as a total crank.
Yeah, he's pretty... exhausting, would be the best word. I mean every day it's something else is wrong with whatever GW has posted, no detail too minor, no rule too low key - he'll decry it as the worst thing to have ever happened.
CAUTION.
We were told Cursed City was a stock item. So there’s precedence for disappointment. Hence I expect a MTO window at the very least.
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Thanks for the link and I'll check the video out. A few weeks back you posted his reasoned and well thought out explanation (unlike the reception here in thread to the link) of the traditional differences between the feel of 40k vs HH which helped someone like me who has only followed the game peripherally through channels like your's and the BL novels pre-pandemic.
We Munch for Macragge! FOR THE EMPRUH! Cheesesticks and Humus!
Thanks for the link and I'll check the video out. A few weeks back you posted his reasoned and well thought out explanation (unlike the reception here in thread to the link) of the traditional differences between the feel of 40k vs HH which helped someone like me who has only followed the game peripherally through channels like your's and the BL novels pre-pandemic.
Skip the first SEVENTEEN minutes of aimless ranting if you want to get to the point (for 3 minutes before he starts ranting again).
I guess that "permanent available" phrase is just a marketing trick to suggest there is enough stock for everyone who wants a box and to prevent FOMO by people how buy multiple sets to sell them on higher prices shorty after release.
There is also the big and unhandy hardcover rulebook and no "start here" guide or something in that box which doen't make it a beginner set.
They will bring a "true" starter set in the future for sure.
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RazorEdge wrote: I guess that "permanent available" phrase is just a marketing trick to suggest there is enough stock for everyone who wants a box and to prevent FOMO by people how buy multiple sets to sell them on higher prices shorty after release.
There is also the big and unhandy hardcover rulebook and no "start here" guide or something in that box which doen't make it a beginner set.
They will bring a "true" starter set in the future for sure.
No, GW said if they run out they'll make more. Like seriously, the amount of tinfoil hattery involved in trying to say GW means the opposite of what they said is nuts.
Thanks for the link and I'll check the video out. A few weeks back you posted his reasoned and well thought out explanation (unlike the reception here in thread to the link) of the traditional differences between the feel of 40k vs HH which helped someone like me who has only followed the game peripherally through channels like your's and the BL novels pre-pandemic.
The tl;dr is reactions seem contained but you realize quickly they're not as limited as perhaps one would like and, worse still, units typically are limited to react per phase not turn, so the same unit over 3 phases could do quite a bit of reacting. The issues can be huge, back in 3rd edition blood angels had this ability to charge and charge and could sweep whole lines in like one turn, it was basically time dilation. When you factor in that wargear can give units reactions that don't count towards to total, and worse still, reactions like interceptor have no downside like in prior editions, where choosing to intercept affected what that unit could or couldn't do in its own turn.
We made a long video/thread about all of this about a month ago
And Cursed City had tons of card elements. HH does not. I believe that would be the deciding factor.
True. Still urging caution, as initial stock can still sell through, leaving others waiting for a custom job.
We're also not in the middle of COVID with GW's Chinese printer facing sudden bankrupcy so it's not really the same thing.
Like let's not up the FOMO on this box. That's GW's job not the community's.
True but the pricing does affect not just the secondary market and those splitting it but will surely make the individual cost of some units a head scratcher if the disparity is high. Example, its about a 360$ box here, lets say 400ish tax in, fair assumption the spartan is worth aprox 1/4 or more of the box. I can't imagine it being that affordable when released on its own. Just the 10 terminators since they're the only re-release in the box, would go for about 140-160 before tax from GW here, So good news if the box stays, but it does seem hard to trust.
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And Cursed City had tons of card elements. HH does not. I believe that would be the deciding factor.
True. Still urging caution, as initial stock can still sell through, leaving others waiting for a custom job.
We're also not in the middle of COVID with GW's Chinese printer facing sudden bankrupcy so it's not really the same thing.
Like let's not up the FOMO on this box. That's GW's job not the community's.
Not my intent at all. Rather, I’m more urging caution that some folk will have to wait, based on past releases. Nobody is going to Miss Out from what we’re told. But not everyone is going to get immediate gratification from their order.
Indeed, this is an attempt to head off the mind numbing boredom of Serial Whiners coming out the woodwork to pretend to be personally offended that a likely high demand item may take time to fulfil initial demand.
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And Cursed City had tons of card elements. HH does not. I believe that would be the deciding factor.
True. Still urging caution, as initial stock can still sell through, leaving others waiting for a custom job.
We're also not in the middle of COVID with GW's Chinese printer facing sudden bankrupcy so it's not really the same thing.
Like let's not up the FOMO on this box. That's GW's job not the community's.
Not my intent at all. Rather, I’m more urging caution that some folk will have to wait, based on past releases. Nobody is going to Miss Out from what we’re told. But not everyone is going to get immediate gratification from their order.
Indeed, this is an attempt to head off the mind numbing boredom of Serial Whiners coming out the woodwork to pretend to be personally offended that a likely high demand item may take time to fulfil initial demand.
I've waited for a dedicated MKVI kit for 20+ years. You think waiting a few more weeks is going to matter at this point?
Besides, I ain't even going to start assembling most of the contents of the box until chapter and weapon upgrades get released. Those could take months to release AFAIK
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