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It's not probable that GW wants to take HH more mainstream, it's 100% accurate to say so.
There will be enough extra buying of what is already a large number of kits not included in the box set that any issues with reselling isn't going to be a concern. At the very least there will be more Contemptor weapons to come and a plastic Leviathan plus weapons. From there I'd wager the Deimos vehicles and possibly Sicaran alternate weapons and things like Assault Marines, MkII kits and others.
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Gert wrote: It's not probable that GW wants to take HH more mainstream, it's 100% accurate to say so.
There will be enough extra buying of what is already a large number of kits not included in the box set that any issues with reselling isn't going to be a concern. At the very least there will be more Contemptor weapons to come and a plastic Leviathan plus weapons. From there I'd wager the Deimos vehicles and possibly Sicaran alternate weapons and things like Assault Marines, MkII kits and others.
Given the Deimos Rhino is coming, I’d be exceptionally surprised if we don’t see that chassis used for Predators et al.
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True but the pricing does affect not just the secondary market and those splitting it but will surely make the individual cost of some units a head scratcher if the disparity is high. Example, its about a 360$ box here, lets say 400ish tax in, fair assumption the spartan is worth aprox 1/4 or more of the box. I can't imagine it being that affordable when released on its own. Just the 10 terminators since they're the only re-release in the box, would go for about 140-160 before tax from GW here, So good news if the box stays, but it does seem hard to trust.
this isn't a typical starter box. I doubt many people will be splitting it given it's all one army.
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Summary for people who don't want to listen to Macca's salt mining (seriously, he prattles on for over the first six minutes without getting to his point crying about the "toxic positivity crowd" and whining that he's a long running player so he knows what he's talking about and everyone else is wrong, ect, ect): he says he did some proxy playtesting, assumes that they playtesting wasn't comprehensive and spends minutes still not getting to his point of what he thinks is wrong and why. The video is a mess of rambling and failing to discuss his main point for nearly 17 minutes. That's almost half the video Seriously, at the 12 minute mark he's talking about PINNING and not about reactions. No one is missing much skipping the first half.
So he says one of his problems with reactions is that GW "won't commit to IGOUGO". He claims that 7th wasn't built around that. I think he means "alternating activations" and not "IGOUGO". He then says that you're "constantly being interrupted" by reactions, then back pedals a bit and says you'll be second guessing yourself because of that "trap card". So he creates a scenario that works in 1.0 but doesn't work in 2.0 with the possibility of being charged in your movement phase by an Imperial Fists player using an advanced reaction (The Best Defense which can only be used once a game, can only be declared on a unit within 10" and line of sight and the charging unit can only move D6"+ the unit's lowest initiative value) due to you moving a unit of Red Butchers "as close as possible" so it can charge the unit of Imperial Fists terminators after you shoot with "the rest of your army to soften it up". Could this happen? Yes. But it's something you can also bait out of the other player or by staying just outside the average range of the Best Defense for this scenario (which is 7") or you can move two units into range so one is slightly closer and in the way of them connecting with the Terminators and use your charge moves to position the chaffe unit out of the way while making a legal charge allowing the terminators to connect. Like this isn't a "gotcha" unless both players aren't operating with the same information. And if the Imperial Fists player in this scenario uses The Best Defense in the movement phase they can no longer use any reactions for the rest of the movement phase.
He also basically treats players like goldfish where they can't remember what they were doing when reactions happen, and then goes back to whining about "toxic positivity" players. Well his point lasted about three minutes so far and honestly I am tired of him not getting to the point so I'm calling it at the 20 minute mark. If he makes a more solid argument after that point cool, but honestly I want a refund for my time.
Also he admits around 13 minutes that he's not really a narrative player which tells me his mindset isn't really meshing with the general community which has made a point of saying it's a narrative community and are fearful of new players pushing it to be more competetive.
Have an exalt for suffering through that on my behalf. Doing the Emperors work. Macca sounds like hes complaining sbout something that will massively enhance the tacticality of the game and require a lot more careful play and consideration.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I've never been of the opinion that AA is the panacea that will fix 40k, but I'm fine with Reactions adding a form of interactivity to the game during the 'off' turns.
As long as they are limited and there aren't 48 of them in 7 broad categories for each Legion, it should be fine.
yeah thats my thought too. the complaint that "reactions will potentially slow things up as people will have to think about their moves" I... don't see as being a bad thing. I agree too many to the point of it being "gotcha" is bad. but to have to think a moment and take into consideration "counter play" I don't see that as a bad thing AT ALL
Considering it seems you get all the rules in one book (or maybe 2/3? still not clear to me what contains what), i find it hard to justify "gotcha" arguments. everyone has access to the same info at no extra cost.
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Watching Ash's review and first gameplay video, seems like this could be my favorite build of 40k since 4th edition, or even of all time. Someone just needs to put in all the 40k era factions and stuff.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
I know right? I'm even planning to buy this new KillTeam expansion as well, but cannot afford buying both boxes this month. Oh well, I'm sure the new KT box will be still around next month, will just need to wait until June 4th to splurge on them beakies. Priorities!
The new backpack is indeed strange looking, but I reckon I'll still be able to mix the old resin MKVI backpacks with the new ones for some variety. I'll just handwaive the differences in appearance as an alternative pattern of the MKVI power supply.
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
H.B.M.C. wrote: I've never been of the opinion that AA is the panacea that will fix 40k, but I'm fine with Reactions adding a form of interactivity to the game during the 'off' turns.
As long as they are limited and there aren't 48 of them in 7 broad categories for each Legion, it should be fine.
yeah thats my thought too. the complaint that "reactions will potentially slow things up as people will have to think about their moves" I... don't see as being a bad thing. I agree too many to the point of it being "gotcha" is bad. but to have to think a moment and take into consideration "counter play" I don't see that as a bad thing AT ALL
Considering it seems you get all the rules in one book (or maybe 2/3? still not clear to me what contains what), i find it hard to justify "gotcha" arguments. everyone has access to the same info at no extra cost.
The core rules, unit types, terrain rules, core missions (6, with six deployment maps which are rolled for after choosing victory conditions and placing terrain, it seems), and universal special rules (like Shred or Rending) are all in the main book. The Space Marine Army List, unit descriptions, and points are in the two Liber books, with the Legion rules (and primarchs I guess) split across them.
No idea where the Talons, Auxilia, Mechanicum/Knights/Titans, and Daemons are though.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: I've never been of the opinion that AA is the panacea that will fix 40k, but I'm fine with Reactions adding a form of interactivity to the game during the 'off' turns.
As long as they are limited and there aren't 48 of them in 7 broad categories for each Legion, it should be fine.
yeah thats my thought too. the complaint that "reactions will potentially slow things up as people will have to think about their moves" I... don't see as being a bad thing. I agree too many to the point of it being "gotcha" is bad. but to have to think a moment and take into consideration "counter play" I don't see that as a bad thing AT ALL
Considering it seems you get all the rules in one book (or maybe 2/3? still not clear to me what contains what), i find it hard to justify "gotcha" arguments. everyone has access to the same info at no extra cost.
The core rules, unit types, terrain rules, core missions (6, with six deployment maps which are rolled for after choosing victory conditions and placing terrain, it seems), and universal special rules (like Shred or Rending) are all in the main book. The Space Marine Army List, unit descriptions, and points are in the two Liber books, with the Legion rules (and primarchs I guess) split across them.
No idea where the Talons, Auxilia, Mechanicum/Knights/Titans, and Daemons are though.
IIRC there's supposed to be a 3rd book with "everything else" due out shortly after. my money says with the "Second wave"
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IIRC there's supposed to be a 3rd book with "everything else" due out shortly after. my money says with the "Second wave"
Not a third book, but individual books.
Each of the major factions waging war in the Horus Heresy will feature in their own books.
From the WarCom article about non-Marine factions.
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I like the biggerised backpack. Kinda like the look of a contemporary soldier, huge. Also giving me the vibe of a sci-fi trooper with overlarge pack but I can't put my finger on what specifically.
JWBS wrote: I like the biggerised backpack. Kinda like the look of a contemporary soldier, huge. Also giving me the vibe of a sci-fi trooper with overlarge pack but I can't put my finger on what specifically.
Reminds me of road marches, but each to their own.
I just like that it keeps the same relative scale of the RTB-01 model while also making the MkVII look like an advancement as the backpack becomes smaller and more streamlined.
ClockworkZion wrote: Thanks to the @mooseminis on Twitter I've managed to get nice still images of the back of the models:
Never mind the backpack, what are those bulges on the backs of the legs?
Certainly a new aspect of the MKVI, unless I'm missing some old metal minis which had those..
He's also missing a pistol, spare clips and grenades
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Given they’re in other glamour shots, we can assume whoever built this left them off.
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
The sprues are up online and there are pistols and grenades up on the sprues so it was definitely left off by the person who made the model.
As for the nodes on the back of the leg, it's likely a new detail for the armour to break up the large flat spaces a bit. If I had to guess though, maybe that's a bit of tech that helps silence the armour's movements a bit?
