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My Gods I love those Skitari - they are almost getting a "wild west" feel to them with the style they are going for on the mounts with duel gun slingers and such. Really loving them.

The new pointy aelves look fantastic too and the hollow armour model is very impressive for its design and hollow effect. Really neat to see GW pushing the angle on what they can achieve with model designs.
Kind of sad to not see more Eldar, but Skitari getting a very full and diverse roster is not something I can be sad about.

Again pointy elves get some really outstanding mounted cavalry too and the over all designs look ilke you'll be able to bring back good few of the old style models without much issue if you want too.

Lizardmen dont' look like they are getting a huge amount new, but they are getting a brand new Tome and that IS something very big for them. It's also big for AoS as it will mark the point at which the whole game is, since it started, running on the same proper rules system of 2.0. A great time when you can pick any army and get started without worries or confusion!

Overall great LVO reveals even if nothing is actually for any of the armies I "currently want/do collect".

beast_gts wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Slightly tangential, but how complex is it? Something you could easily involve non-hardcore wargame pals in, or is it a bit more involved than that?

It's not exactly as complex as the old Warhammer Quest was, but you can start simple and make it complex. You can play it out of the box with each player controlling an Explorer (and the enemies being controlled by D20 roll) or you can play with a DM, and there's optional rules for settlement events and equipment.

Ah, cool, cheers. Think that might be my reward for when I finish painting Space Hulk.

Honestly happy SM took the backseat for this preview, super excited for Ork and AdMech players!

The Serberys Raiders seem to be running with a new variant on the Galvanic Rifle which makes them look like Winchester Model 1866 Lever Action Rifles, which is pretty neat. Would be good for conversions if people are looking for something similar.

The horse riders make me think someone at the studio was listening to Muse's Knights of Cydonia. That tune even starts with some spaghetti-western-esque sounds. Meanwhile, the dog rider variant made me think of Apokoliptian dog cavalry:



Not in terms of being a visual match, but conceptually. And that might be the inspiration. After all, what is Apokolips if not a forge world?



With Desaad an inspiration for tech-priests??

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I'd never play orks or buy and paint them personally but I do love them as a faction. Updates would be nice, maybe? I like a lot of the plastic kits, upgrade sprues would be amazing to spruce them up.

However the one thing I think would be awesome but would never happen is if they were bought up to around or just shy of primaris in height. Orks lumbering over guardsmen on the table top would be so thematical, let alone what knobs and warboss' would look like next to them.

I also think eldar should be taller (obviously no bulk though) and then sisters, guard, tau, mechanicus and maybe necrons should be the smaller races. Orks should be big lumbering murder machines, even the basic ones, eldar should match them for height but be much slighter as you'd expect of an elf and marines (even primaris) should look like the creations they are, made to combat these super dangerous aliens.

Eh orks are describe in fluff bit taller than humans but due to hunched pose still stand equal height. S

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Honestly happy SM took the backseat for this preview, super excited for Ork and AdMech players!

As an SM player I second this notion.

beast_gts wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Slightly tangential, but how complex is it? Something you could easily involve non-hardcore wargame pals in, or is it a bit more involved than that?

It's not exactly as complex as the old Warhammer Quest was, but you can start simple and make it complex. You can play it out of the box with each player controlling an Explorer (and the enemies being controlled by D20 roll) or you can play with a DM, and there's optional rules for settlement events and equipment.

I would warn the original poster that Blackstone fortress is not a casual type of boardgame. I think it would be hard for non-gamer types or people who don't already enjoy RPGs to get into it. Requires a bit of patience and learning for initiates.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Yeah this is pretty much where I am these days - the studio guys just seem to have a very specific concept in mind for Mechanicus, and it's not the one that the pre-model range books & stories built up in my mind. Too much Raygun Gothic, not enough Actual Gothic, for my tastes.

The 40k army is very Skitarii, not very Mechanicus. There is a distinct lack of lobotomized servitors going around, that's for sure! And not that many mechdendrites either.

 Dr. Mills wrote:
Particularly loved the throw back to the football hooligan inspiration for the orks with Ghaz screaming "Gimme a Waaagh!" and when it happens he bellows "Wot? I CAN'T HEAR YA!"

You can hear that? I can't make out a single word there!

Crispy78 wrote:

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

AdMech cav seems odd. It's not like horses have some design properties that make them the perfect steeds in terms of speed or scaling terrain, in addition to which I'd expect something more twisted, grafted onto the riders themselves rather than a steampunk horse. If sticking with real-world influences, steampunk camels would at least have been more unique.

They're dogs aren't they?

The second build is less dog-like, but even the one that is supposed to be a hound has the body and leg anatomy of a horse - big bulky torso, and an extra point of articulation above the "hooves". To me, they look like mechanical horses with a somewhat dog-like head. Most importantly, they just look like they are riding them, while a more centaurical design would have been better I think, or indeed something so twisted I wouldn't have come up with it and there is no easy way to describe it. Just properly weird AdMech.

tneva82 wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I'd never play orks or buy and paint them personally but I do love them as a faction. Updates would be nice, maybe? I like a lot of the plastic kits, upgrade sprues would be amazing to spruce them up.

However the one thing I think would be awesome but would never happen is if they were bought up to around or just shy of primaris in height. Orks lumbering over guardsmen on the table top would be so thematical, let alone what knobs and warboss' would look like next to them.

I also think eldar should be taller (obviously no bulk though) and then sisters, guard, tau, mechanicus and maybe necrons should be the smaller races. Orks should be big lumbering murder machines, even the basic ones, eldar should match them for height but be much slighter as you'd expect of an elf and marines (even primaris) should look like the creations they are, made to combat these super dangerous aliens.

Eh orks are describe in fluff bit taller than humans but due to hunched pose still stand equal height. S

In the beast arises Nobs are twice the size of space marines... So yeah, would love Ork boyz as big as primaris, Nobs towering over them and Warbosses just a bit larger again. Ghazghkull is in a league of his own . Wonder how big the new model will be.

Just in general more size differences between Orks, Nobs, Warbosses and Ghazghkull would be amazing and very fluffy.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

The second build is less dog-like, but even the one that is supposed to be a hound has the body and leg anatomy of a horse - big bulky torso, and an extra point of articulation above the "hooves". To me, they look like mechanical horses with a somewhat dog-like head. Most importantly, they just look like they are riding them, while a more centaurical design would have been better I think, or indeed something so twisted I wouldn't have come up with it and there is no easy way to describe it. Just properly weird AdMech.

I mean, this is the same group that thought mules were insectile quadrupeds.

MorglumNecksnapper wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I'd never play orks or buy and paint them personally but I do love them as a faction. Updates would be nice, maybe? I like a lot of the plastic kits, upgrade sprues would be amazing to spruce them up.

However the one thing I think would be awesome but would never happen is if they were bought up to around or just shy of primaris in height. Orks lumbering over guardsmen on the table top would be so thematical, let alone what knobs and warboss' would look like next to them.

I also think eldar should be taller (obviously no bulk though) and then sisters, guard, tau, mechanicus and maybe necrons should be the smaller races. Orks should be big lumbering murder machines, even the basic ones, eldar should match them for height but be much slighter as you'd expect of an elf and marines (even primaris) should look like the creations they are, made to combat these super dangerous aliens.

Eh orks are describe in fluff bit taller than humans but due to hunched pose still stand equal height. S

In the beast arises Nobs are twice the size of space marines... So yeah, would love Ork boyz as big as primaris, Nobs towering over them and Warbosses just a bit larger again. Ghazghkull is in a league of his own . Wonder how big the new model will be.

Just in general more size differences between Orks, Nobs, Warbosses and Ghazghkull would be amazing and very fluffy.

New Ghaz looks to be about the size of a Redemptor Dreadnought judging by the skulls.

I wonder if Imperial Guard will be in Saga of the Beast - we need an updated Yarrick to face off against the new Ghaz.

I hope so bad that the guard will get an ad-mech sized release of a new guard regiment, or at least an updated version of Cadians or Catachans.

So I just want to vent about the Q&A; the GW guys were extremely patient and did their best but dam was I getting irked with people asking questions. Probably 2/3s were people asking "when is X coming" which the GW staff obviously can't answer. You'd think people would catch the hint but nope, by the end even the GW guys were getting frustrated. They obviously wanted to interact with the community but spending the majority of the time saying "we can't tell you" in 50 different ways obstructed that.

Sadly all too common.

Game’s Day ones were the same. Lots of ‘but the prices’, as if the Studio staff have any say or input over them.

I like the admech flyers, but really not sure about the cavalry, even though theyre good models technically speaking. seems like admech took a (more) goofy turn and I don't think it fits well with the faction.

MorglumNecksnapper wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I'd never play orks or buy and paint them personally but I do love them as a faction. Updates would be nice, maybe? I like a lot of the plastic kits, upgrade sprues would be amazing to spruce them up.

However the one thing I think would be awesome but would never happen is if they were bought up to around or just shy of primaris in height. Orks lumbering over guardsmen on the table top would be so thematical, let alone what knobs and warboss' would look like next to them.

I also think eldar should be taller (obviously no bulk though) and then sisters, guard, tau, mechanicus and maybe necrons should be the smaller races. Orks should be big lumbering murder machines, even the basic ones, eldar should match them for height but be much slighter as you'd expect of an elf and marines (even primaris) should look like the creations they are, made to combat these super dangerous aliens.

Eh orks are describe in fluff bit taller than humans but due to hunched pose still stand equal height. S

In the beast arises Nobs are twice the size of space marines... So yeah, would love Ork boyz as big as primaris, Nobs towering over them and Warbosses just a bit larger again. Ghazghkull is in a league of his own . Wonder how big the new model will be.

Just in general more size differences between Orks, Nobs, Warbosses and Ghazghkull would be amazing and very fluffy.

Eh that's nobz. Look you might want fluff to be screwed and thrown under bus but others don't. Ork boyz have never been described as 8 foot.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I like the admech flyers, but really not sure about the cavalry, even though theyre good models technically speaking. seems like admech took a (more) goofy turn and I don't think it fits well with the faction.

I like the bonkers approach to it, it's like the philosophy that you could never make a machine the replicates a human/animal and have it move as efficiently and gracefully as the animal, or be economical energy wise if you could do that, and the AdMech are just saying 'challenge accepted'.

Robot cowboys riding devil dogs is basically what I am seeing.

What I do find strange is that both seem to be flamer units of sort, or rad sprayers or whatever.... You would never ever actually fire that on a charge, you'd end up running through it yourself.

 Nazrak wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
New boyz would be awesome! The Brian Nelson ones are way past needing replacing. Nice kit for it’s time, but it’s had it’s day.

I dunno, I think they still hold up pretty well, particularly given the cross-compatibility with all the other kits. Wouldn't have any massive objections, but what I'd hate to see is something that looks incongruous if you mix the two – something that adds to the variety of existing stuff, rather than hitting a hard reset button, would be hugely preferable imo.

But yeah, maybe Ghaz will bump up interest in Orks. I just do not understand the enthusiasm for Named/Special Characters though, rather than generic options you can use to create your own characters. It just leads to a narrowing of narrative scope and boring armies that are all the same few guys.

yeah, this is my main gripe about current GW. It's all about named characters. Was much more interesting when it had the ''build your own hero'' appraoch

Skitari make me think that someone was watching Bravestar and Cowboys and Aliens when designing these new ones. I'm really getting a wild-west feel from them.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
I like the admech flyers, but really not sure about the cavalry, even though theyre good models technically speaking. seems like admech took a (more) goofy turn and I don't think it fits well with the faction.

I like the bonkers approach to it, it's like the philosophy that you could never make a machine the replicates a human/animal and have it move as efficiently and gracefully as the animal, or be economical energy wise if you could do that, and the AdMech are just saying 'challenge accepted'.

Robot cowboys riding devil dogs is basically what I am seeing.

What I do find strange is that both seem to be flamer units of sort, or rad sprayers or whatever.... You would never ever actually fire that on a charge, you'd end up running through it yourself.

I can see the appeal, but I personally think that they've turned into a parody of themselves. They always had that ''crazy tehno guy'' theme going on, but these cavalry models just turned it up a bit too much for me. I think they would fit better in a game like malifaux or WWexodus than 40k

I can't stand the admech models. Individually they are very interesting models but they just appear so far outside of my idea of 40k aesthetics that I am having a hard time appreciating what cool models they are because I have such subjective dislike for them. Maybe some of you kit-bashers and expert painters can make something grimdark out of them (I'm sure you can) but with my limited imagination I just don't like them.

Hyped for new orks. Hope they get more than just an awesome Gazz but if that's all they come out with I'm excited for more Xeno LOW\primarch scale models.

I'm the most salty about the FW indexes getting re-done by GW. I'm hoping it isn't a cash grab like 90% of GW balancing efforts where x FW model becomes a must have for any functioning y army.

Anytime GW says they are going to try to balance something my wallet cries. Not that most of the FW stuff isn't poorly costed (many too high, a few too low) but GW has really lost all credibility with the SM and now PA releases and I'd rather not have to deal with another wave of power-creep game breaking "balance" changes from the great minds that brought us iron hands 2.0...

I hate that people are turned off by the admech models.

On the other hand for me...I'd say this might be the first time I buy something from the Imperium. I like a little silly!

tneva82 wrote:
Eh that's nobz. Look you might want fluff to be screwed and thrown under bus but others don't. Ork boyz have never been described as 8 foot.

What kind of reasoning is that? Turning it around, look you might not want fluff to be screwed and thrown under the bus, but others do?

I am just reacting to the description of Orks in the fluff, in the newer fluff Nobs are twice as big as space marines, and Orks aren't that much smaller. Welcome to the age of the primorks.

The absolute size I don't care about much, but more size differences between boyz/nobz/warbosses/ghazghkull, yes please.

If we're going to have skitarii space cowboys it's only fair we get a Eastwood inspired "Princep with No Name-001" to have a good old fashioned showdown with the Kellermorph.

Surely that’d be The Skitarri Alphus with no designation?

To me, the new weird Admech contraptions fit just fine with the existing weird contraptions of the faction. I'm not sure what people thought the aesthetic was. *shrug*

This is a silly thing, but does anyone else feel a bit sad that Makari has a modern style bosspole instead of a cloth banner like in the old days? I guess I just miss orks having flags with paintings and iconography on them, but the post 3E aesthetic for them has always had them with trophies and metal icons.

MorglumNecksnapper wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Eh that's nobz. Look you might want fluff to be screwed and thrown under bus but others don't. Ork boyz have never been described as 8 foot.

What kind of reasoning is that? Turning it around, look you might not want fluff to be screwed and thrown under the bus, but others do?

I am just reacting to the description of Orks in the fluff, in the newer fluff Nobs are twice as big as space marines, and Orks aren't that much smaller. Welcome to the age of the primorks.

The absolute size I don't care about much, but more size differences between boyz/nobz/warbosses/ghazghkull, yes please.

This is in one specific book series, one of the key points of which is that the Orks featured are abnormally large. There's already a size distintion between different levels of Orks in the current range.

GW not keeping a lid on hyperbolic descriptions in BL material then people latching onto it is how we ended up with stupid giant marines. No need to do it to Orks too or people will start complaining about Marines being too small and the whole cycle keeps going round until everything's the size of an action figure.