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TBH theres not "the goverment" but your's country goverment.

The US goverment being a bunch of authoritarian wanabees is not an excuse to don't take seriously the issue and the lockdown in other countries.

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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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 Sqorgar wrote:
And I guess nobody has a problem with the government working with Facebook and Google to track the locations of everybody? Just how much of your freedom and safety are you willing to give up in your panic? A great deal of it will not be returned when the panic subsides.
This implies they weren't already doing that

To be perfectly honest, as much as I want to be offended by that (because it is offensive), if you're carrying around a modern pocket computer today that's equipped with GPS and constantly online, you're already being tracked constantly by these entities, and the government has access to that data if it really wants. In 2020, one has to assume they're already doing this. The only way to avoid that at this point is to not carry such a device or use such services unfortunately.

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 Galas wrote:
TBH theres not "the goverment" but your's country goverment.

The US goverment being a bunch of authoritarian wanabees is not an excuse to don't take seriously the issue and the lockdown in other countries.
I'm taking the authoritarian parts very seriously, and it isn't just the US. Israel is doing the same thing, but they also want to text people when standing too close too each other (No touching!). Remember when China was barricading people in their homes?

And how well do you think these lockdowns are going? In Italy, they stopped all prison visits as part of the lockdown, and immediately there were riots in almost all their prisons. Even now, some of the prisons are still in the hands of the inmates, multiple people have died, and a few dozen inmates have escaped. Even when people have no expectations of freedom, to take away what little they do have resulted in unprecedented violence and revolt.


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 Vaktathi wrote:
 Sqorgar wrote:
And I guess nobody has a problem with the government working with Facebook and Google to track the locations of everybody? Just how much of your freedom and safety are you willing to give up in your panic? A great deal of it will not be returned when the panic subsides.
This implies they weren't already doing that

To be perfectly honest, as much as I want to be offended by that (because it is offensive), if you're carrying around a modern pocket computer today that's equipped with GPS and constantly online, you're already being tracked constantly by these entities, and the government has access to that data if it really wants. In 2020, one has to assume they're already doing this. The only way to avoid that at this point is to not carry such a device or use such services unfortunately.
Though the government is absolutely scanning online messages (and are about to pass a law banning end to end encryption because, why not?), there's no reason to believe that the government has real time access to the GPS location of people with phones. There's been cases in the past where the police have used proximity warrants to get a list of all the phones that have come within the range of a crime scene, and the data returned from these warrants is unspecific enough that they then need to get additional warrants to find out the identities of the phone's owners (and even then, there's been serious issues with them arresting people who just rode their bikes past the scene of a robbery). So, even if the government does have access to the GPS information on people's phones, they haven't made that data available outside of a select few. Giving this information to the CDC and people who aren't sneaky spy types presents a serious privacy issue well beyond what could be claimed for national security.

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And how well do you think these lockdowns are going? In Italy, they stopped all prison visits as part of the lockdown, and immediately there were riots in almost all their prisons.

Poland had a few people escape the quarantine, quickly apprehended by the police and escorted back to hospital/home. No riots, toilet paper is back in stock. After the initial run on tp and dry goods which lasted 2 days, almost everyone behaves reasonably.

but I'm not surprised Israel and USA of all countries are using this as a chance to enact even more authoritarian policies.I expect Britain to follow in the group of countries claiming to be free and enjoying the taste of the boot.

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 Sqorgar wrote:
And I guess nobody has a problem with the government working with Facebook and Google to track the locations of everybody? Just how much of your freedom and safety are you willing to give up in your panic? A great deal of it will not be returned when the panic subsides.


I have couple decades figured goverments(particularly usa) already track and spy all. No difference. At least i don't live in usa.


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 Sqorgar wrote:
there's no reason to believe that the government has real time access to the GPS location of people with phones. There's been cases in the past where the police have used proximity warrants to get a list of all the phones that have come within the range of a crime scene, and the data returned from these warrants is unspecific enough that they then need to get additional warrants to find out the identities of the phone's owners (and even then, there's been serious issues with them arresting people who just rode their bikes past the scene of a robbery). So, even if the government does have access to the GPS information on people's phones, they haven't made that data available outside of a select few. Giving this information to the CDC and people who aren't sneaky spy types presents a serious privacy issue well beyond what could be claimed for national security.


If they aren't now or couldn't already they couldn't with this request either seeing they are asking aggregated(aka group) data from 3rd party. Not real time individual.

And if they aren't doing just what they ask then they could have been doing same thing all the time and no change in situation.

Guess either you didn't read article or are deliberately to stir trouble here

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If people just followed the protocols dictated by the medical professionals to limit the spread of the virus, and companies weren’t so worried about the all mighty dollar, the authoritarian measures would not be needed.

When common sense fails, and the people are not taking precautions then the only option is draconian measures and freedoms get removed. If more people had some common sense, and realized how serious this is, then emergency measure wouldn’t be needed. But ignorance and stupidity always win the day.
When ignorance is touted as ‘freedom’ then you’re bound to lose it.
Remember that those that are in power like their money, and love it when economies are robust. Nobody wants what is happening to happen. For those saying that this is nothing to be worried about, I’d like to ask when the last time entire countries have shut their borders completely?
Not in my 47 years have I ever experienced such a thing.
Let that sink in.

If you don’t think this is all that serious, then why are governments basically shutting down their economies to contain COVID19.

In times of emergency, measures are required. This almost like a time of war, except we’re not fighting one another. Once the emergency is lifted, things will return to normal.

This deserves to be taken seriously, and if some people want to continue being idiots and ignore the advice of the experts, then expect to be forced to comply. The solution is simple - don’t be ignorant and take this seriously. Your freedom is not at stake folks, your health and well being is.

Stay safe.
   
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Politics warning incoming, back to covid uk numbers up 700 ish deaths up 33, youngest brit announced as mid 40's gentleman with MND. Sad times.


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Testing up to 25000 a day so expect big rises soon

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Guys, we've given enough warnings - if we can't talk about this without devolving into political back and forth, we'll just have to lock the thread.

It's a really important thing to talk about, but then again, this is probably one of the least reliable places you could get information on it.

So, we'll give it one more shot... if we can't stay on track, we'll just have to shut it down for awhile.
   
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 Ghool wrote:
If you don’t think this is all that serious, then why are governments basically shutting down their economies to contain COVID19.

In times of emergency, measures are required. This almost like a time of war, except we’re not fighting one another. Once the emergency is lifted, things will return to normal.

This deserves to be taken seriously, and if some people want to continue being idiots and ignore the advice of the experts, then expect to be forced to comply. The solution is simple - don’t be ignorant and take this seriously. Your freedom is not at stake folks, your health and well being is.

Stay safe.


Well said. The US government is (finally) taking this very seriously. I think the threat now is for the citizens to take it seriously. Clearlyk some still aren't.

I keep thinking about what the Greatest Generation would do in our shoes.

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Hey guys, remember when the UK spent billions on a vaccine for the "pandemic that never was"? "They [WHO] frightened the whole world with the possibility that a major plague was on the way." "Globally, more than 15,000 people died as a result of the H1N1 virus compared to the two to four million deaths that had been predicted by WHO, he said."

Or when the UK spent millions on Tamiflu for a bird flu epidemic? "The antiviral drug Tamiflu was stockpiled from 2006 in the UK when some agencies were predicting that a pandemic of bird flu could kill up to 750,000 people in Britain." "The World Health Organization, which classes Tamiflu as an essential medicine..." - this is the same Tamiflu that is banned in Japan for teenagers because its "neuropsychiatric adverse events" led to children hallucinating, lashing out violently, and committing suicide. Tamiflu is some bad stuff with a really shady history, and countries bought millions of doses of it on the WHO's recommendation based on the fear of a bird flu pandemic which never came. The number of deaths from the H5N1 virus is less than 500 worldwide since 2003.

What about when the US had to incinerate $260 million dollars worth of expired Swine flu vaccine? "Federal officials defended the huge purchase as a necessary risk in the face of a never-before-seen virus. Many health experts had feared the new flu could be the deadly global epidemic they had long warned about, but it ended up killing fewer people than seasonal flu." "Swine flu turned out not to be as deadly as was first feared. About 12,000 deaths have been attributed to it - or roughly a third of the estimated annual deaths from seasonal flu."

It is important to note that the WHO has been wrong every single time they have predicted a doomsday epidemic, by a LOT. And in the past, this has only cost taxpayers millions or even just billions or dollars. But the effect of this panic will be so, so much worse - it has already cost trillions and we are just getting started - and the WHO's track record on being right about worldwide epidemics is pretty much 0%.
   
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Kansas has now shut down schools for the rest of the school year. Yikes. I wonder how many other states will follow suit.
   
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 Sqorgar wrote:
Hey guys, remember when the UK spent billions on a vaccine for the "pandemic that never was"? "They [WHO] frightened the whole world with the possibility that a major plague was on the way." "Globally, more than 15,000 people died as a result of the H1N1 virus compared to the two to four million deaths that had been predicted by WHO, he said."

Or when the UK spent millions on Tamiflu for a bird flu epidemic? "The antiviral drug Tamiflu was stockpiled from 2006 in the UK when some agencies were predicting that a pandemic of bird flu could kill up to 750,000 people in Britain." "The World Health Organization, which classes Tamiflu as an essential medicine..." - this is the same Tamiflu that is banned in Japan for teenagers because its "neuropsychiatric adverse events" led to children hallucinating, lashing out violently, and committing suicide. Tamiflu is some bad stuff with a really shady history, and countries bought millions of doses of it on the WHO's recommendation based on the fear of a bird flu pandemic which never came. The number of deaths from the H5N1 virus is less than 500 worldwide since 2003.

What about when the US had to incinerate $260 million dollars worth of expired Swine flu vaccine? "Federal officials defended the huge purchase as a necessary risk in the face of a never-before-seen virus. Many health experts had feared the new flu could be the deadly global epidemic they had long warned about, but it ended up killing fewer people than seasonal flu." "Swine flu turned out not to be as deadly as was first feared. About 12,000 deaths have been attributed to it - or roughly a third of the estimated annual deaths from seasonal flu."

It is important to note that the WHO has been wrong every single time they have predicted a doomsday epidemic, by a LOT. And in the past, this has only cost taxpayers millions or even just billions or dollars. But the effect of this panic will be so, so much worse - it has already cost trillions and we are just getting started - and the WHO's track record on being right about worldwide epidemics is pretty much 0%.


And what is happening right now has been unprecedented for over 100 years.
For a century, no one in the world has had to deal with a virus of this magnitude.
Would you rather world governments and society in general just carry on because of prior precedent of the WHO being wrong?
What’s riskier? Shutting things down temporarily? Or should we just carry on and let millions possibly die?
I don’t know, I’d rather we’d take precautions. If that means trading billions of dollars over lives, I know which one I’d choose.

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 cuda1179 wrote:
My state shut down all eat-in restaurants yesterday, and I own one. This stinks for my finances. I'm not going to go under or anything, I have an emergency fund that I could live off of for 6-months if neither my wife or I were working, but it took a while to build up and I don't like dipping into it.


What happens with your employees? No, this isn't a prelude to villainizing you, just an honest question.

I can't imagine virtually any small business owner can afford to subsidize employees who literally aren't working.

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 Sqorgar wrote:
Hey guys, remember when the UK spent billions on a vaccine for the "pandemic that never was"? "They [WHO] frightened the whole world with the possibility that a major plague was on the way." "Globally, more than 15,000 people died as a result of the H1N1 virus compared to the two to four million deaths that had been predicted by WHO, he said."

Or when the UK spent millions on Tamiflu for a bird flu epidemic? "The antiviral drug Tamiflu was stockpiled from 2006 in the UK when some agencies were predicting that a pandemic of bird flu could kill up to 750,000 people in Britain." "The World Health Organization, which classes Tamiflu as an essential medicine..." - this is the same Tamiflu that is banned in Japan for teenagers because its "neuropsychiatric adverse events" led to children hallucinating, lashing out violently, and committing suicide. Tamiflu is some bad stuff with a really shady history, and countries bought millions of doses of it on the WHO's recommendation based on the fear of a bird flu pandemic which never came. The number of deaths from the H5N1 virus is less than 500 worldwide since 2003.

What about when the US had to incinerate $260 million dollars worth of expired Swine flu vaccine? "Federal officials defended the huge purchase as a necessary risk in the face of a never-before-seen virus. Many health experts had feared the new flu could be the deadly global epidemic they had long warned about, but it ended up killing fewer people than seasonal flu." "Swine flu turned out not to be as deadly as was first feared. About 12,000 deaths have been attributed to it - or roughly a third of the estimated annual deaths from seasonal flu."

It is important to note that the WHO has been wrong every single time they have predicted a doomsday epidemic, by a LOT. And in the past, this has only cost taxpayers millions or even just billions or dollars. But the effect of this panic will be so, so much worse - it has already cost trillions and we are just getting started - and the WHO's track record on being right about worldwide epidemics is pretty much 0%.


You mean... governments prepare for things before they actually happen? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
   
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 Ouze wrote:
 cuda1179 wrote:
My state shut down all eat-in restaurants yesterday, and I own one. This stinks for my finances. I'm not going to go under or anything, I have an emergency fund that I could live off of for 6-months if neither my wife or I were working, but it took a while to build up and I don't like dipping into it.


What happens with your employees? No, this isn't a prelude to villainizing you, just an honest question.


Obviously, I can't speak for cuda, but I'd assume the employees would get some sort of unemployment insurance given that their lapse in employment isn't the result of malfeasance or a voluntary break and the length of the layoff is unknown. Probably going to vary state to state.

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 ScarletRose wrote:

You mean... governments prepare for things before they actually happen? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

Incredible. And could you imagine the economic and social damage that might occur if, for example, a government decided to downplay and under-prepare for a potential pandemic?

Can't imagine that happening, however.
   
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I’m starting to think about all the self employed and small businesses. I’ve a few friends in the restaurant business, and we’ve got some fantastic places around here that I would be genuinely absolutely gutted to see this virus kill them off.
   
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 Ghool wrote:

And what is happening right now has been unprecedented for over 100 years.
For a century, no one in the world has had to deal with a virus of this magnitude.
I've already mentioned multiple times that we had a flu season in 2018 that was much, much worse. There's been, what, 8,800 deaths worldwide attributed to the coronavirus so far (7,200 coming from just three countries)? The 2018 flu has 80,000 deaths attributed to it in the US alone.

100 years? You mean the Spanish Flu, don't you? It is literally impossible for something like the Spanish Flu to hit us like it did in 1918. You'd need a world war with millions of soldiers sitting in trenches pooping in buckets to get the same sort of environmental conditions that caused that one. The influenza virus wasn't even discovered until the 1930s. Turns out that the Spanish Flu isn't even what killed everyone - it was bacterial pneumonia that piggybacked on the flu. The Spanish Flu pandemic was the result of industrialization, poor hygiene, war, and medical ignorance - none of which would apply to a disease spreading today. The fact that Imperial College compared this coronavirus to the Spanish Flu in any way, shape, or form is a shameful act of propaganda.

Would you rather world governments and society in general just carry on because of prior precedent of the WHO being wrong?
I'd want them to be more measured in their responses, and hold the WHO to more evidence-based projections than they have traditionally used in the past. For instance, I'd like to see the WHO factor in climate and environmental factors into their model for worldwide epidemics.

What’s riskier? Shutting things down temporarily? Or should we just carry on and let millions possibly die?
Millions will not die. Not even the WHO is predicting that many deaths

I don’t know, I’d rather we’d take precautions. If that means trading billions of dollars over lives, I know which one I’d choose.
Precautions, sure. Absolutely. But reasonable ones. Not draconian ones.
   
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 Ouze wrote:
OK, so I don't know where exactly the line should be in terms of government-mandated social distancing, but this one feels like a bridge too far (or at least, a bridge too early):

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LMPD to no longer respond to hit and run wrecks, other incidents
Jason Riley and Travis Ragsdale
Mar 17, 2020 Updated 10 hrs ago

LOUISVILLE, Ky., (WDRB) – Louisville Metro Police will no longer respond to several emergency situations, including some burglaries and speeding, according to Louisville Metro Police Chief Steve Conrad.

Conrad said the department will take reports over the phone in many non-violent incidents, to protect officers and the public from spreading the coronavirus.

In addition, police will not be dispatched to public intoxication cases, speeding, illegal parking and loitering, among other incidents.

Conrad said the changes are being made "in the interest of focusing on making sure our officers are able to respond in an emergency situation or life is threatened and to keep them healthy."

The department hasn't seen any increase in officers out sick "with this particular illness," Conrad said, but attendance is being monitored as shifts begin.

Police headquarters, among other buildings, will be closed.

In addition, LMPD officers are no longer allowed to request vacation time.

In a memo written by Conrad on Monday, a “state of emergency” has been declared and only vacation requests already approved for this year will be allowed.

Conrad did not mention the memo at a press conference on Tuesday but said officers will get sick with the virus and the department is taking several precautions to ensure there is enough staffing.

He said he is moving personnel between divisions and using investigative staff to help patrol divisions "where absences are there."

In addition, Conrad said police will be limiting public access to headquarters, division stations and the city's impoundment lot. Visits to the lot and the LMPD property room will now be done by appointment, he said.

In a separate email sent by the assistant director of Louisville Metro Emergency Services as of 7 p.m. on Tuesday, police will not be responding to several types of events:

· Medical alarms, unless there is a known safety issue

· Non-injury accidents

· Hit-and-run accidents

· Disorderly persons

· Intoxicated persons

· Reckless drivers

Conrad did not mention all incidents police are currently not responding to during the press conference.

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Wow.... if that aint a recipie for widespread crime wave i dont know what is. Lets hope the fumb criminals arent that big on reading.

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 ScarletRose wrote:

You mean... governments prepare for things before they actually happen? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.


And when they don't we get into mess like now in US where budget cut after budget cut has been done for what was made to prepare precisely this.

But sure let's just let hundreds of thousands if not millions die across the world rather than combat against it.
   
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All schools closing uk , my wife and I are nurse and dr respectively, hope the schools stay open for my kids as if not that's one less health worker on certain days.

Also I hope the business owners small and large can just hang on for their employees.

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 nels1031 wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
 cuda1179 wrote:
My state shut down all eat-in restaurants yesterday, and I own one. This stinks for my finances. I'm not going to go under or anything, I have an emergency fund that I could live off of for 6-months if neither my wife or I were working, but it took a while to build up and I don't like dipping into it.


What happens with your employees? No, this isn't a prelude to villainizing you, just an honest question.


Obviously, I can't speak for cuda, but I'd assume the employees would get some sort of unemployment insurance given that their lapse in employment isn't the result of malfeasance or a voluntary break and the length of the layoff is unknown. Probably going to vary state to state.


I think they need to be officially laid off for that to happen. Is that what happened? How does that work exactly? Cuda's the first small business person I actually know IRL (sort of, I guess) to have had to have taken this step.

I also live in Iowa so it would be practical information for other people I know if it happens to them as well.

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so this is a summary/link to the BBC plans for the quarantine future :

https://twitter.com/scottygb/status/1240241737735553025

and fair play to.. Gary Neville and Co. :

https://twitter.com/StockExHotel/status/1240314212112531457

that is pretty bloody great.

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Baltimore, Maryland

 Ouze wrote:
 nels1031 wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
 cuda1179 wrote:
My state shut down all eat-in restaurants yesterday, and I own one. This stinks for my finances. I'm not going to go under or anything, I have an emergency fund that I could live off of for 6-months if neither my wife or I were working, but it took a while to build up and I don't like dipping into it.


What happens with your employees? No, this isn't a prelude to villainizing you, just an honest question.


Obviously, I can't speak for cuda, but I'd assume the employees would get some sort of unemployment insurance given that their lapse in employment isn't the result of malfeasance or a voluntary break and the length of the layoff is unknown. Probably going to vary state to state.


I think they need to be officially laid off for that to happen. Is that what happened? How does that work exactly? Cuda's the first small business person I actually know IRL (sort of, I guess) to have had to have taken this step.

I also live in Iowa so it would be practical information for other people I know if it happens to them as well.


From my states unemployment FAQ :

3. Will workers qualify for unemployment benefits if the coronavirus (COVID-19) causes an employer to shut down operations?
Yes. Maryland unemployment benefits are available to individuals who are unemployed through no fault of their own. If an employer must shut down operations and no work is available, individuals may be eligible for unemployment benefits if they meet the monetary criteria and the weekly eligibility criteria.


I'd check with your local state unemployment agency, as it can vary.


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My brother works in tourism at a major location in London. He's gone from looking like a best year ever work-wise to just... nothing. People pulling the plug on events as far away as Christmas. There was a major event happening in the summer that has now been canceled. He was planning that for a year, and is now trying to find out if he's going to get any money at all for all that work.
   
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Norwalk, Connecticut

 Sqorgar wrote:
 Ghool wrote:

And what is happening right now has been unprecedented for over 100 years.
For a century, no one in the world has had to deal with a virus of this magnitude.
I've already mentioned multiple times that we had a flu season in 2018 that was much, much worse. There's been, what, 8,800 deaths worldwide attributed to the coronavirus so far (7,200 coming from just three countries)? The 2018 flu has 80,000 deaths attributed to it in the US alone.

100 years? You mean the Spanish Flu, don't you? It is literally impossible for something like the Spanish Flu to hit us like it did in 1918. You'd need a world war with millions of soldiers sitting in trenches pooping in buckets to get the same sort of environmental conditions that caused that one. The influenza virus wasn't even discovered until the 1930s. Turns out that the Spanish Flu isn't even what killed everyone - it was bacterial pneumonia that piggybacked on the flu. The Spanish Flu pandemic was the result of industrialization, poor hygiene, war, and medical ignorance - none of which would apply to a disease spreading today. The fact that Imperial College compared this coronavirus to the Spanish Flu in any way, shape, or form is a shameful act of propaganda.

Would you rather world governments and society in general just carry on because of prior precedent of the WHO being wrong?
I'd want them to be more measured in their responses, and hold the WHO to more evidence-based projections than they have traditionally used in the past. For instance, I'd like to see the WHO factor in climate and environmental factors into their model for worldwide epidemics.

What’s riskier? Shutting things down temporarily? Or should we just carry on and let millions possibly die?
Millions will not die. Not even the WHO is predicting that many deaths

I don’t know, I’d rather we’d take precautions. If that means trading billions of dollars over lives, I know which one I’d choose.
Precautions, sure. Absolutely. But reasonable ones. Not draconian ones.


You’ve mentioned a lot of things. That doesn’t mean we’re listening to you over what’s going on in the entire world around us. Look, you’ve studied google. You’ve read Wikipedia. We got it. That doesn’t make you an expert. Say whatever you want, but most of us are smart enough to ignore you and listen to the real experts. Scientists, doctors, the CDC, and even the governments who are working on shutting down the world. You’re welcome to spew whatever you want on here. Just don’t expect any of us to say anything more than “that’s nice”...
   
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Believeland, OH

So I own a bar in Ohio. All bars have been shut down....I'll be alright, my bar bills are relatively small, and its not like booze or refrigerated beer goes bad quickly. I am however very well hooked into the service industry, most bartenders and wait staff live check to check, this is going to be very very hard on them. Even though I have not fired or officially laid off my staff the rule in Ohio right now is that they may file for unemployment, Ohio has even waived the one week waiting period and the requirement to look for work. I still think its smarter to focus resources on protecting the vulnerable while the rest of us carry on and keep the economy running.....but I don't make those decisions.

From what I understand this is a pretty mild respiratory infection.....unless of course you are in a state of already compromised health, then it gets deadly.

My parents are in their late 80's live on their own (they are not feeble, can still drive and go to the store and such) and are very lonely right now, they also have no idea when they can see their children or grandchildren again......and essentially until there is a vaccine (which looks pretty far off) they will have to stay secluded. If i had contracted the coronavirus at least I could visit them in a few weeks after I recovered and was not a carrier anymore.

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 Andrew1975 wrote:
So I own a bar in Ohio. All bars have been shut down....I'll be alright, my bar bills are relatively small, and its not like booze or refrigerated beer goes bad quickly. I am however very well hooked into the service industry, most bartenders and wait staff live check to check, this is going to be very very hard on them. Even though I have not fired or officially laid off my staff the rule in Ohio right now is that they may file for unemployment, Ohio has even waived the one week waiting period and the requirement to look for work. I still think its smarter to focus resources on protecting the vulnerable while the rest of us carry on and keep the economy running.....but I don't make those decisions.

From what I understand this is a pretty mild respiratory infection.....unless of course you are in a state of already compromised health, then it gets deadly.

My parents are in their late 80's live on their own (they are not feeble, can still drive and go to the store and such) and are very lonely right now, they also have no idea when they can see their children or grandchildren again......and essentially until there is a vaccine (which looks pretty far off) they will have to stay secluded. If i had contracted the coronavirus at least I could visit them in a few weeks after I recovered and was not a carrier anymore.


Good luck to you mate, hope the business holds up and things pass soon. Hope you can hold onto employees too.

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Voss wrote:

Pretty much never. 'By any means' includes they idea of straight up murder to prevent possible infection, and that isn't a reasonable trade.
People are panicking enough as is, violence in the streets isn't a reasonable direction to go by any standard.


It's worth noting that panicked people are rarely reasonable.

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