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 A Town Called Malus wrote:

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In other, other news; I am off to plead with the king of the potato people to sort this whole mess out so he will let me go.

i hope you've got a 3 seater magic carpet handy, and mr flibble gives permission

Oh, turns out they can learn! But only once they get chewed out by their own superiors who we rank and file workers elect to office.

They were asked ‘what’s your solution for this?’

They proposed having the driver in the lorry by himself whilst the two or three loaders get driven around behind it in a van by a line manager. And when the work was done, everyone is brought back to the depot to wait until clocking out time but with a 2m distance enforced by the managers.

Apparently this idea went down so badly, the councillors took matters into their own hands and ordered ‘task and finish’ instead, whilst they also begin proceedings to let some of the managers go.

Karma is a bitch.

Great news FWC!

 Grey Templar wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Honestly, Drastic actions should have been taken to prevent the spread while it was still in fething china, but we where to scared to anger them. what should have happened was all travel to and from china be halted and all suspected people be rounded up and quarantined.

Sensible, but that would have been labeled as "racist" had it been done.

You mean like this?
https://7news.com.au/news/health/rally-calls-for-end-to-china-travel-ban-c-686566

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Oh, turns out they can learn! But only once they get chewed out by their own superiors who we rank and file workers elect to office.

They were asked ‘what’s your solution for this?’

They proposed having the driver in the lorry by himself whilst the two or three loaders get driven around behind it in a van by a line manager. And when the work was done, everyone is brought back to the depot to wait until clocking out time but with a 2m distance enforced by the managers.

Apparently this idea went down so badly, the councillors took matters into their own hands and ordered ‘task and finish’ instead, whilst they also begin proceedings to let some of the managers go.

Karma is a bitch.

This seems like a 9/11 suggestion that just begs for something to go wrong? Also, when you anaways just wait around doing nothing due to the situation then that is just spitefull torwards your workers and underlings.

IT's like beeing that one dick in the barracks not sending the recruits home on friday afternoon because 5pm is standard even though the poor sods have done everything allready and are basically just standing around.

somtimes i swear people should be forcd to learn positions of companies from the pike up again.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m torn.
Is ordering take-out....
A) A Richard move, as contactless handover or no, some poor sod is out and about
B) Not a Richard move thanks to contactless handover, and the delivery dude is kept in their job
Thoughts?

Since we Got Healthy(tm) a year and a half ago, we've rarely gotten takeout or delivery. We ordered it this past weekend from a nice little local family Chinese place that we used to get from on and off as I stopped in their (empty) restaurant after work (before eat-in got nationally cancelled the other day). They were very happy to have our business.
While it was bloody delicious, we got it to give them a little bit of support. I'd order from them every week, but we need to keep our bodies and immune systems in as good shape as we can, and weekly Chinese food will do the opposite.

YMMV of course, but that was my experience.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Preach that creed dude.
In theory, it can be argued it’s preferable to visiting a supermarket. Then it’s just me, the delivery person, and the kitchen staff. That’s as few as four, maybe five people.
Compared the supermarket, that’s far less personal contact (staff numbers, shared areas etc).
Except, how many others is the delivery driver off to see? Only takes a single filth wizard, no? But what if the filth wizard was in the supermarket, touching things with their gakky digits?

Wash everything you bring into your home. Ideally with a little bit of soap or dishwashing liquid, as it's a surfactant and will destroy the fatty membrane that COVID-19 is contained in. Rinse it with regular cold water afterwards. All the food (well, maybe not the meat, but all the fresh). All the packages. Throw away the bags it came in, and wipe down the containers. Put the takeaway in the oven for a couple of minutes to reheat it and kill off any unwanted guests. Enjoy.

https://youtu.be/D_Vau7NDjQw

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
UK locked down.

You know, funny how that went. Records show Cummings proposed the utterly insane herd nonsense to “protect the economy, and if that means some pensioners die, too bad”. Boris was willing to accept 50.000 deaths, started to waver when they were updated to 200.000, and finally broke when projection shown 550.000+. All through this, crucial time was lost, and containing the virus in UK might now be hard if not impossible. Tories managed to squander the one advantage they had, of being early closed island, all to protect the rich. Bravo.

I won't be petty and say 'told you so', but I must admit, Boris and Cummings must be geniuses. How else they would be still finding fresh idiots ready to believe 5783848395734 lie in a row even when all experts scream it's nonsense and it's the worst possible course of action? Of course, having UK media in their pocket ready to claim white is black on demand helps, but still, it must be black magic of some sort.

Bran Dawri wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m still dimly hopeful New York will go ahead. It’s not until the very end of June, so there’s some chance this might’ve settled down by then.

I'm hoping Iron Maiden are going to be doing their show in July. Been waiting a long time for that one.

I wouldn't if I were you. US numbers so far track drastically worse infection rate than China and unless a miracle happens soon (especially in anti-science states) you will soon see tens of thousands new cases per day - and that's not even that pessimistic prediction...

Of course, seeing USA has types even worse than Cummings above, I am afraid even 'pessimistic' take will soon be seen as rosy scenario:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/older-people-would-rather-die-than-let-covid-19-lockdown-harm-us-economy-texas-official-dan-patrick

Good to know that the "country" is economy, not the People. Good old conservatives.

Irbis wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m still dimly hopeful New York will go ahead. It’s not until the very end of June, so there’s some chance this might’ve settled down by then.

I'm hoping Iron Maiden are going to be doing their show in July. Been waiting a long time for that one.

I wouldn't if I were you. US numbers so far track drastically worse infection rate than China and unless a miracle happens soon (especially in anti-science states) you will soon see tens of thousands new cases per day - and that's not even that pessimistic prediction...

Of course, seeing USA has types even worse than Cummings above, I am afraid even 'pessimistic' take will soon be seen as rosy scenario:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/older-people-would-rather-die-than-let-covid-19-lockdown-harm-us-economy-texas-official-dan-patrick

Well, the concert is in the Netherlands, and Iron Maiden is a British band as far as I know, but still, given how things are progressing in both countries, basically my only hope is that this thing burns out before then without any of the band members getting it.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:
I think most people would rather take their chances with the Spanish Flu than wake up in East Berlin - but the media makes it sound like a complete loss of liberty, autonomy, and a grotesque invasion of privacy is fun little family vacation. Why wouldn't you want to save Pop-pop's life by complete authoritarian control over all aspects of your life?

proably because we understand it's a temporary measure and some people won't obey the good sense guidelines until they're told they could be arrested if they don't

Well, I've read some stories about quarantine measures that sent chills down my spine and made me seriously wonder if they're worth it. A 17 year old girl, wheelchair bound, multiple disorders, lives away from home in an institution for handicapped people. Starts showing flu-like symptoms. Cannot be tested for Corona due to test kit shortage. Is preventively locked up(indicating she's probably unable to understand why she's quarantined, so she's probably also mentally impaired) in her own room until she's no longer showing symptoms. I cannot even imagine the psychological hell this poor girl is going through right now. A 10-year old boy who is in forced isolation because he has corona. Shouldn't it be the autonomous decision of the rest of the family whether it's worth the risk of infection in order to take proper care of their son (they'd have to go into family isolation of course but I'd be more than willing to risk the disease in order to take care of my children if I had them)? I mean, I'm all for proper antivirus measures but... isn't this going a bit too far? And this is in the Netherlands mind you, not in some authoritarian gakhole.

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I won't be petty and say 'told you so', but I must admit, Boris and Cummings must be geniuses. How else they would be still finding fresh idiots ready to believe 5783848395734 lie in a row even when all experts scream it's nonsense and it's the worst possible course of action? Of course, having UK media in their pocket ready to claim white is black on demand helps, but still, it must be black magic of some sort.

Cronch wrote:
Good to know that the "country" is economy, not the People. Good old conservatives.

That has nothing to do with the party or political idelogy underlying and more with the issue of money and common sense.

On another note Chinas Central government attempts to restart the economy via again allowing travel etc. Meanwhile local governments attempt to delay this fearing political reprecussions if there is again a rise in infections that they basically die politically.

No politics, please.

This morning I stepped out into the bright sunshine and crisp spring air. The other side of the road, a pretty young, tall athletic woman ran past, wearing a tight lycra getup.

That lifted my spirits I can tell you.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
No politics, please.

This morning I stepped out into the bright sunshine and crisp spring air. The other side of the road, a pretty young, tall athletic woman ran past, wearing a tight lycra getup.

That lifted my spirits I can tell you.

On the former pretty much impossible becuse it is the political executives doing the job off enforcing the policy to deal with this crisis.

on the later, i can understand. Atm i am sadly stuck with green /four fruit pyjama look shooing around people.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
No politics, please.

This morning I stepped out into the bright sunshine and crisp spring air. The other side of the road, a pretty young, tall athletic woman ran past, wearing a tight lycra getup.

That lifted my spirits I can tell you.

Heh, I'm already past the point that I can enjoy that I'm afraid. The only thing I'm interested in right now is that there's more than 1.5 meters between me and whoever I walk past on the street.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
No politics, please.

This morning I stepped out into the bright sunshine and crisp spring air. The other side of the road, a pretty young, tall athletic woman ran past, wearing a tight lycra getup.

That lifted my spirits I can tell you.

Thats the spirit!

Nipped out to get more soup ingredients and other basics.

First day of t-shirt weather this year. Sadly, no Lycra clad ladies.

Well. Madrid has allready collapsed. 12% of mortality rate (I know the real one is lower for all the infected with mild symptoms) and they are starting to choose. They need to choose wo can access to respirators and who can't. And even young people that should pass this, as they can't access to the equipement to be hospitalized, are on risk of dying.

Yaay. 10k more infected tested and positives on a single day.

 Galas wrote:
Well. Madrid has allready collapsed. 12% of mortality rate (I know the real one is lower for all the infected with mild symptoms) and they are starting to choose. They need to choose wo can access to respirators and who can't. And even young people that should pass this, as they can't access to the equipement to be hospitalized, are on risk of dying.

Spain has 28,572 cases with 1,720 deaths.
France has 15,821 cases with 674 deaths.
Germany has 24,774 cases with 94 deaths.

It's not the coronavirus which is causing this problem. This is not due to lack of testing either - Spain and Germany has a similar number of confirmed cases. There is something environmental that Spain has that Germany does not (or vice versa) which is causing is discrepancy.

Spain has about 30% smoking rate, but so does Germany. Spain is actually warmer than Germany right now (high 50Fs compared to high 40Fs). The air pollution index doesn't seem that bad. Spain has a population of 47m, Germany 83m. In Spain, the population is centered in the 40s, Germany in the 50s. Even with the 5G conspiracy theory, Spain only really has 5G in Madrid, so unless the majority of the cases are coming from Madrid, that wouldn't explain it either.

By all standards that previously seemed to affect the virus, Germany should be at least equal to Spain, or far worse, and yet it has a fraction of deaths for roughly the same amount of cases. But the question remains, how are these two countries different that Spain is have a 17x higher mortality rate?

You are a little out of the date Sqorgar.
Today we are at 39k infected with 2700 death. 12k infected alone are from Madrid.

Access to healthcare. Family size. Social interaction norms. Employment demographics.

I'm not sure how these compare, but at broad strokes I would suspect that more people tend to find themselves in larger groups for family/church/social reasons in Spain than in Germany, and there are pretty big differences in how tactile the average person in each populations is.

The leader(s) of the US Federal Government are making noises about 'restarting the economy' as of March 30.

No idea what that means, other then going against all the advice Health Officials are giving them.

In Massachusetts, the Governor is basically closing all non-essential businesses starting...today, at noon.

Hard to believe that he'd sign up for anything even close to 'Business as Usual' in less then a week.

I guess we're fortunate to have Governors who will side with common sense - I hope.

nfe wrote:
Access to healthcare. Family size. Social interaction norms. Employment demographics.

I'm not sure how these compare, but at broad strokes I would suspect that more people tend to find themselves in larger groups for family/church/social reasons in Spain than in Germany, and there are pretty big differences in how tactile the average person in each populations is.

That would affect the number of infected, not how many people dies. I don't think is incorrect to say that probably Germany health system is more robust than the spanish one. But with so many death I believe that probably, or the deaths haven't just started to appear, or they are counting differently the deceased.

The only thing that seems to link increased death rate to my knowledge is whether or not the healthcare system is overwhelmed - Wuhan vs rest of China, Italy early on, ie are there enough hospital beds and respirators for the severe cases. I have no idea about the state of Spanish healthcare and hospitals TBH, I'm just assuming Germany's is bigger due a larger and older population, and thus simply has more beds to fill before it's overwhelmed
Beyond that, diet (including alcohol consumption) might be a factor? Spanish, and mediterranean cuisine in general is different from NW Europe. I honestly have no idea what else might be involved.

 Galas wrote:

nfe wrote:
Access to healthcare. Family size. Social interaction norms. Employment demographics.

I'm not sure how these compare, but at broad strokes I would suspect that more people tend to find themselves in larger groups for family/church/social reasons in Spain than in Germany, and there are pretty big differences in how tactile the average person in each populations is.

That would affect the number of infected, not how many people dies. I don't think is incorrect to say that probably Germany health system is more robust than the spanish one. But with so many death I believe that probably, or the deaths haven't just started to appear, or they are counting differently the deceased.

Germany infections started in a younger demographic of workers of multinational companies like Webasto.

OTOH the Spanish is hitting heavily in the elderly, including a few retirement homes which skew the results.

Germany has also tested considerably more than Spain so my guess is Spain has a lot of asymptomatic undetected cases and mortality rate similar to Germany's.

 Alpharius wrote:
The leader(s) of the US Federal Government are making noises about 'restarting the economy' as of March 30.

No idea what that means, other then going against all the advice Health Officials are giving them.

It's just noise. The rich are just getting upset that The Number isn't happy and that they can't trade stocks or travel everywhere as they morally must be able to do. They're even less happy that the only thing to actually do to stop the disease is to tell people to stay put and enact multiple welfare policies to make sure they can do that.

The best case scenario is that throwing people out into the workplaces would keep the disease circulating for years, forcing other countries to essentially blockade the US until a vaccine has been developed and administered. The worst case scenario is 80+% infection rate in a month and millions of dead as hospitals are overloaded and the economic system collapses anyway. It's pure ideology.

Did a good thing today.

Procured a second Disney+ subscription, which I’ve shared with the single parent families I know. They’ve all got multiple kids (same Dads, those that might Judge), so hopefully it’ll help maintain sanity in their households.

 Galas wrote:
You are a little out of the date Sqorgar.
Today we are at 39k infected with 2700 death. 12k infected alone are from Madrid.

I got it off the official WHO coronavirus map. It's usually a day or two behind - are you tell me that there have been 1,000 deaths in one or two days? That seems extreme even compared to Italy or China.

Money is ideology, and thus politics, there is no going round that.
As for Spain, I don't think Spanish economy ever truly rebound from the 2008 depression to anywhere the same level as say, Germany (which enjoyed a decade of stability). So it might be there was a lot of stressed immune systems for the virus to attack. If that were the case, the thing will go through USA like a buzzsaw through a sausage. That's pure speculation of course, but it is a fact that long term stress affects health.

Long story short, I got tested this morning, but results will take 7-10 days to come back. Experiencing some of the symptoms (shortness of breath in particular, which would be an awful coincidence if it was something else, as it feels quite different from a cold to me) along with pretty strong body ache, which came first.

Isolating and let everyone I may have come into contact with know. Not worried about myself but hoping I didn't transmit it to anyone at risk, if I do have it (we were being very careful the last 10 days in particular, but with my little kids who catch everything I figured it was a matter of time).

Just wanted to update, stay safe and socially distant (but ideally still connected, like on here) everyone!