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 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Well, she may have caught it from somewhere else...

I'm not excusing the act, which is deplorable and deserving of punishment, but they might have difficulty proving that was the specific cause of her infection.

The intent to do harm was still there, so an assault charge would at least stick. On the other hand, what if they find the spitter and they end up testing negative for the virus?

Yeah of course, I'm with that all the way. but I can't see a murder charge going anywhere, because I don't think there's really any way you could definitively prove that that was when she was infected. It would be thrown out. You'd also have to prove that the assailant was infected at that time.

That's why involuntary manslaughter is a thing. Not as hard hitting as murder charges, but far easier to prove.

Also make that conduct a felony because felony murder is the most absurdly easy thing to prove.

 Tyran wrote:
That's why involuntary manslaughter is a thing. Not as hard hitting as murder charges, but far easier to prove.

Also make that conduct a felony because felony murder is the most absurdly easy thing to prove.

You'd still need to prove, 'beyond a reasonable doubt' that that specific action had led to her infection, which would be impossible.

https://twitter.com/lioneltop/status/1260125365990756352

"The kids are coming back today (a small part of them instead).
Very strange, even disturbing atmosphere ..."



that 3rd photo
few weeks extra holiday and then there you are seeing all the adults in masks and making you play 2 metres away from your friends.

Local KFC has reopened.

Dinner is sorted!

Now I've always had a good imagination but freaking heck some disinfectant and some toys at least if you're going to put them in a chalk box!

It is indeed a rather scary image, practical to isolate yes, but that number of students is tiny.

 reds8n wrote:
https://twitter.com/lioneltop/status/1260125365990756352

"The kids are coming back today (a small part of them instead).
Very strange, even disturbing atmosphere ..."

Spoiler:

that 3rd photo
few weeks extra holiday and then there you are seeing all the adults in masks and making you play 2 metres away from your friends.

Yeah that's bs. Let them run around with their friends. Our nursery has been running as normal for those who couldn't leave work to care for their kids. Hope they don't start making this stuff mandatory.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Local KFC has reopened.

Dinner is sorted!

I’m going to destroy a whole bucket by myself...

Exactly what I’ve ordered.

Well. Six piece bargain bucket.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
That's why involuntary manslaughter is a thing. Not as hard hitting as murder charges, but far easier to prove.

Also make that conduct a felony because felony murder is the most absurdly easy thing to prove.

You'd still need to prove, 'beyond a reasonable doubt' that that specific action had led to her infection, which would be impossible.

I think it would depend on the jury. A committed jury is capable of ignoring the most obvious evidence, or believing the most flimsy evidence, if they feel there is an important point to be made. The jury's decision can't be overturned, however ludicrous it may seem.

All that being said, it wouldn't be murder and it would only get before the jury if the crown prosecution service thought they could make the charge stick.

Oof. Those chalk Xs and boxes. Someone doesn't get children, at all.

The local church daycare is having conversations, and someone on the committee wants the kids in masks, and doesn't seem to grasp that 3-5 year olds aren't going to stay in masks for ~8 hours. Even a small percentage of that isn't going to happen.
You might as well try to teach the wind to 'sit' and 'stay.'

Our county is allowing summer camps for kids of essential workers or people who own a buisness.
I really dont get how they think this is safe at all.
Its INSANE that people think stuff like that is ok.
So desperate to get things back to normal or get away from their kids, they are willing to do such incredibly unsafe stuff

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Exactly what I’ve ordered.

Well. Six piece bargain bucket.

Snap!

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Our county is allowing summer camps for kids of essential workers or people who own a buisness.
I really dont get how they think this is safe at all.
Its INSANE that people think stuff like that is ok.
So desperate to get things back to normal or get away from their kids, they are willing to do such incredibly unsafe stuff

Summercamp? What will they do if/when they get an outbreak at camp? Close the camp and keep everyone isolated there and cross their fingers enough staff remain viable to keep it running without having to be hospitalised - and if so then who will take over. Plus even if they don't ship students home all those parents are going to go into protective mode and demand to take their kids home; either of which would then infect all those households.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Our county is allowing summer camps for kids of essential workers or people who own a buisness.
I really dont get how they think this is safe at all.
Its INSANE that people think stuff like that is ok.
So desperate to get things back to normal or get away from their kids, they are willing to do such incredibly unsafe stuff

So when do they go back to doing that? in a month? when its safe? whens that? when theres a vaccine? if theres a vaccine?

6 piece bucket with gravy. So much gravy.

 Overread wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Our county is allowing summer camps for kids of essential workers or people who own a buisness.
I really dont get how they think this is safe at all.
Its INSANE that people think stuff like that is ok.
So desperate to get things back to normal or get away from their kids, they are willing to do such incredibly unsafe stuff

Summercamp? What will they do if/when they get an outbreak at camp? Close the camp and keep everyone isolated there and cross their fingers enough staff remain viable to keep it running without having to be hospitalised - and if so then who will take over. Plus even if they don't ship students home all those parents are going to go into protective mode and demand to take their kids home; either of which would then infect all those households.

.... Friday the 13th franchise reboot is go !

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Our county is allowing summer camps for kids of essential workers or people who own a buisness.
I really dont get how they think this is safe at all.
Its INSANE that people think stuff like that is ok.
So desperate to get things back to normal or get away from their kids, they are willing to do such incredibly unsafe stuff

So when do they go back to doing that? in a month? when its safe? whens that? when theres a vaccine? if theres a vaccine?

When there's a vaccine - when medical treatments are more advanced than they are now and perhaps don't rely on ventilators - when track and trace and testing is sufficient to have isolated the main pockets of infection to render most areas safe - perhaps if there's a reliable and fast testing system so that students and staff can be tested in advance and during the event to ensure reduced chance of infection etc....


There's a lot of times when things can re-start; however right now isn't really the time. USA and UK are still right in the thick of it; meanwhile the whole world is sitll eating up supplies of medical tests and the like. There's still a long long way to go before you can start envisioning safe camp setup.


There are also surely more local ways for parents in key jobs to have their children cared for during the summer which would at least contain any potential outbreak to a specific region.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Our county is allowing summer camps for kids of essential workers or people who own a buisness.
I really dont get how they think this is safe at all.
Its INSANE that people think stuff like that is ok.
So desperate to get things back to normal or get away from their kids, they are willing to do such incredibly unsafe stuff

So when do they go back to doing that? in a month? when its safe? whens that? when theres a vaccine? if theres a vaccine?

Certainly when things are not at the height of the pandemic.
When its safeis when the number of daily cases is going down, not up like it is.
Im pretty sure summer camps are not the height of being needed.
ITs also not just about the kids, but the adults in the program, more adults meeting and sharing space more than necessary for survival is beyond reckless.
Things are going to be cancelled this summer, people have to get used to it and deal with it. Is it fair? No! Is it essential to do it? Yes

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Exactly what I’ve ordered.

Well. Six piece bargain bucket.

Snap!

Weak.....super weak. Eric Cartman shrieking weak.

Food arrived stone cold. The ‘check & sealed’ sticker from KFC had been moved, leaving the bag open, and it was the wrong order.

First KFC in months, and I dare not eat any of it,

gak, that sucks. Sorry mate.

Just Eat have refunded me, and will be asking the driver why he visited disparate parts of town on his journey to me.

Get yourself a Japanese wife. She will make you much nicer deep fried chicken than KFC.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just Eat have refunded me, and will be asking the driver why he visited disparate parts of town on his journey to me.

Honest reason why?
Alot of times, those people are trying to get a dunch of orders at once, get them all, and the deliver them all.

Apparently, mine was his only drop off.

It’s all main roads to mine, and they’re pretty dead at this time of night even without a lockdown. Dude essentially doubled the distance, with two, possibly three distinct stops on the journey.

Humph.

Still, I’m in a good place where this is my only moan!

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Our county is allowing summer camps for kids of essential workers or people who own a buisness.
I really dont get how they think this is safe at all.
Its INSANE that people think stuff like that is ok.
So desperate to get things back to normal or get away from their kids, they are willing to do such incredibly unsafe stuff

It's important that we keep in mind that some people are really, really, really not handling lockdown well. Beyond the economics, etc. And it's affecting their judgement. They may seem okay, but deep inside:



Thing is, governments can't let those people drive the discussion. Reopenings need to happen according to data and a plan, not because individuals are tired of it and don't give a gak about anyone else.

The problem is, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
and these guys are real squeky



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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Apparently, mine was his only drop off.

It’s all main roads to mine, and they’re pretty dead at this time of night even without a lockdown. Dude essentially doubled the distance, with two, possibly three distinct stops on the journey.

Humph.

Still, I’m in a good place where this is my only moan!

Ok then the other possibility,
He was meeting his drug dealer.

EDIT: gak, wrong thread sorry.

And yeah, that sounds like drugs to me.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Get yourself a Japanese wife. She will make you much nicer deep fried chicken than KFC.

Can't find the japanese wife section on the food delivery apps. Got any more details on where one can be found?

They could be prosecuted in the same way as those who've been convicted of doing the same to the police, so probably 6 months inside (those that attacked the police tended to get about a year, but sentences for those attacking emergency workers are doubled now)

(if you say you've got the virus the court will treat you the same as if you had, just as if you threaten somebody with an imitation firearm the sentence will be the same as if it was real)

but murder or manslaughter would likely depend on showing the aggressor has had the virus