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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
The problem is, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
and these guys are real squeky

They're squeaky and forming some unholy alliances. Some of those protests are apparently mixing white supremacists, anti-vaxxers, militia types, etc. The Freedumb Party, I guess.

At some point though -- and getting back on topic -- people in power need to start understanding that there aren't necessarily thousands of people being represented by each of those 30 protesters or a handful loud voices on Twitter. They only have that kind of power if you *give it to them*. Of course, there's a certain person who kinda/sorta has a sympathetic ear, but generally speaking if you laugh them off and just keep on truckin'...nothing's really going to happen.

The media is also complicit. Do you know how many little protests -- or hell, even larger ones -- happen in front of government buildings that aren't covered by the media and melodramatically declared to be "a sign of our nation tearing itself apart"? So are these fringe types *really* that loud? Or are they being handed a megaphone so that they seem loud? There's lots of fail going around in our society at the moment IMO.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Local KFC has reopened.

Dinner is sorted!

I’m going to destroy a whole bucket by myself...

Not it I get to it first!

In what is presumably an effort to confirm that the UK is still an overtly classist society and that coronavirus is a secondary threat to the hardships of dusting or raising your own children, ministers have been doing the rounds telling everyone that your parents still can't visit your home but your cleaners and nannies should be activity encouraged to return to work.

 gorgon wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
The problem is, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
and these guys are real squeky

They're squeaky and forming some unholy alliances. Some of those protests are apparently mixing white supremacists, anti-vaxxers, militia types, etc. The Freedumb Party, I guess.

At some point though -- and getting back on topic -- people in power need to start understanding that there aren't necessarily thousands of people being represented by each of those 30 protesters or a handful loud voices on Twitter. They only have that kind of power if you *give it to them*. Of course, there's a certain person who kinda/sorta has a sympathetic ear, but generally speaking if you laugh them off and just keep on truckin'...nothing's really going to happen.

The media is also complicit. Do you know how many little protests -- or hell, even larger ones -- happen in front of government buildings that aren't covered by the media and melodramatically declared to be "a sign of our nation tearing itself apart"? So are these fringe types *really* that loud? Or are they being handed a megaphone so that they seem loud? There's lots of fail going around in our society at the moment IMO.

Totally agreed on all points.

Well, I’m in trouble. Way back when this all started I had a mild tooth discomfort. Couldn’t go to my dentist because it had shut up shop and I was too cautious to go near the city hospital dentist. Now, I’m 99% certain it’s become an abscess. feth you coronavirus.

Ouch! My local dentist has a sign in the window saying to call 111. But if you actually need surgery, can it be done?

At this stage I don’t know. I can only try to find out. And I really do not want to go to the hospital.

I should have went in January when I was supposed to.

There is a dentist near me that is specifically still open for urgent matters. If you fancy a trip (I hear travel and hotel prices are way down recently, for some reason).

I have tooth problems too so i think might be an abcess aswell and a wisdom tooth that is coming in sideways but i cant get it looked it either.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
There is a dentist near me that is specifically still open for urgent matters. If you fancy a trip (I hear travel and hotel prices are way down recently, for some reason).

Well, I did want to go across the Atlantic this year...

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I have tooth problems too so i think might be an abcess aswell and a wisdom tooth that is coming in sideways but i cant get it looked it either.

Ouch. You have my sympathies too. Hopefully we don’t lose any teeth over this.

I’m kicking myself for my laziness now. I should have went in January when I had the chance, just as I should have had my car looked at then too.

Well California is among the less-Covidey states. And Sam Diego does have weather a Brit would probably find pleasingly different.

Though it does remind me; anyone hear any news in regards to UV light killing coronavirus?

I mean it comes and goes, It might be an abscess, but it might also just but a gap developed in my teeth and now good gets stuck in there more easily, which seems to be the case sometimes.
Paint comes and goes,
The Wisdom tooth is the worst, no one is doing the actually the surgery to get it out.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
At this stage I don’t know. I can only try to find out. And I really do not want to go to the hospital.

I should have went in January when I was supposed to.

My sympathies - my wife's in the same situation, though maybe not quite as bad yet. She has an impacted wisdom tooth that needs to come out eventually and it's had a filling come loose in the last few days. She phoned the dentist to get some advice on what her options were and was told by the receptionist she should try getting some filling material online and doing it herself. Yeah...not going down that route. On the plus side, various parts of the NS are starting to re-open now so hopefully things like emergency dental surgery will be available fairly soon.

This is why we need more testing.

Ideally, people like dentists should be tested at least weekly, and their patients should be tested before attending. The dentist should have an N95 mask and a face shield.

nfe wrote:
In what is presumably an effort to confirm that the UK is still an overtly classist society and that coronavirus is a secondary threat to the hardships of dusting or raising your own children, ministers have been doing the rounds telling everyone that your parents still can't visit your home but your cleaners and nannies should be activity encouraged to return to work.

It's perfect.

"Mum, I know you've really been wanting to see us and the kids. Well, it turns out you can - but you're going to have to clean the bathroom for us too..."

The government advises you can't visit your family, but I'd guarantee that most people haven't been following that.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
The government advises you can't visit your family, but I'd guarantee that most people haven't been following that.

With the exception of one family who've just been operating as a single household with one of their parents, literally everyone I know has been. Lots of people will have been seeing their parents, but I'm fairly confident your assertion that MOST people have been visiting their families is absolute nonsense. You are not the default.

nfe wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
The government advises you can't visit your family, but I'd guarantee that most people haven't been following that.

With the exception of one family who've just been operating as a single household with one of their parents, literally everyone I know has been. Lots of people will have been seeing their parents, but I'm fairly confident your assertion that MOST people have been visiting their families is absolute nonsense. You are not the default.

Same here, don't know anyone that's been out visiting family - unless you count my brother and his wife doing the shopping for our parents. But that's just dropped off on the doorstep.

I think those with older grandparents/parents are avoiding them because of the high risk. Younger parents and kids are likely starting to crack right now with the long duration already and with the "talk of relaxation".

They might not be rushing to hug each other; but they will be starting to want to visit at 2m distance; wearing a facemask; washing hands etc.... Ergo those same measure that governments are advising for work conditions.


As time passes the power of the lockdown will reduce because its so abnormal to our regular lives. Shock news and reinforcing lockdowns due to a second spike will likely reinforce it all over again and perhaps strengthen it for a bit. Thrusting police/armed forces onto the streets would also, again, reinforce the impression of the lockdown.



That siad I'd say the UK public is actually behaving itself reasonably well in so much as they expect lockdown restrictions to actually be tighter than they are. Which is a double edged sword because in theory it means that because its lighter than we think it should be easier to follow; but it also means (like mothers days) its much easier to "justify" breaking them.

I never said that I was doing it.


similarly, its impossible to prove that your position is the default.

I was just making a statement of my opinion.

I see very little mixing going on.
A neighbour's dad has been in the house, but maybe just just inside (for an hour or so...).
Most others stand at the door and shout in.

But then we hear that colleagues are off to holiday homes for the weekend, or driving to the coast. There's nothing open to go to, and they'll be at the services for hours if they stop.

As for the 'Kids are immune', that still going on. It's not the kids that are at risk. They'll be fine.
But, they'll keep the lockdown going, when their household is laid up because they brought it in. Celebs are still trying to push that one.
On that note, working from home is more diffucult when the neighbour's kids are not at school. Shrieking in the garden when you're trying to have a meeting really gets tiring.

Yeah, people will be going and standing outside, or sitting in back gardens. I know my parents have been doing that with my grandparents. I don't see a problem with it in any way.

I also don't see issues with people going to second properties.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
I never said that I was doing it.

I didn't say you were. By saying you're not the default I mean your liberty over everything else position is not the norm.

similarly, its impossible to prove that your position is the default.

I didn't 'guarantee' a generalisation. The burden of proof doesn't lie with me.

That said, we do have studies regarding the numbers of people not following advice. And guess whose observations they support?

 Skinnereal wrote:

As for the 'Kids are immune', that still going on. It's not the kids that are at risk. They'll be fine.
But, they'll keep the lockdown going, when their household is laid up because they brought it in. Celebs are still trying to push that one.
On that note, working from home is more diffucult when the neighbour's kids are not at school. Shrieking in the garden when you're trying to have a meeting really gets tiring.

Schools are germ factories at the best of times. We all get sick at the start of every damn term.

I feel your pain on the working from home. Each week I work from home, I spend most of my time with my 7 year old snuggling up to me on the sofa and squirming his feet under my arse. It got old pretty quick.

nfe wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
I never said that I was doing it.

I didn't say you were. By saying you're not the default I mean your liberty over everything else position is not the norm.

similarly, its impossible to prove that your position is the default.

I didn't 'guarantee' a generalisation.

That said, we do have studies regarding the numbers of people not following advice. And guess whose observations they support?

If thats what you choose to infer from my posts, then so be it.


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Looks like I'll be having home hair cuts for even longer if NZ is anything to go by. people waiting at barbers for haircuts in the middle of the night according to BBC

 Future War Cultist wrote:
At this stage I don’t know. I can only try to find out. And I really do not want to go to the hospital.

I should have went in January when I was supposed to.

they've set up special dental centres about the place where the dentists can wear full body suit PPE & respirators and the dental suits can be cleaned after each patient (apparently they need to wait 45 mins after a patient has been dealt with to let droplets settle out of the air before cleaning. It's the drills & water picks that are the real issue as they make droplet clouds that are great for carrying virus

but equally important your normal dentist can (and is encouraged to) prescribe antibiotics which should ease toothache caused by an infection/abscess so if you need help give them a ring

Crispy78 wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:

As for the 'Kids are immune', that still going on. It's not the kids that are at risk. They'll be fine.
But, they'll keep the lockdown going, when their household is laid up because they brought it in. Celebs are still trying to push that one.
On that note, working from home is more diffucult when the neighbour's kids are not at school. Shrieking in the garden when you're trying to have a meeting really gets tiring.

Schools are germ factories at the best of times. We all get sick at the start of every damn term.

I feel your pain on the working from home. Each week I work from home, I spend most of my time with my 7 year old snuggling up to me on the sofa and squirming his feet under my arse. It got old pretty quick.

I agree completely. It happens every time you switch schools as well. There's a localized patina of filth that one has to experience and become accustomed to.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Well, I’m in trouble. Way back when this all started I had a mild tooth discomfort. Couldn’t go to my dentist because it had shut up shop and I was too cautious to go near the city hospital dentist. Now, I’m 99% certain it’s become an abscess. feth you coronavirus.

Contact your GP, if it's an abscess then it can potentially be mitigated by antibiotics. Dad had one that was in a tricky place to drain, and so managing flare ups with antibiotics until it developed enough for the dentist to get at it was what he did for several years.

It might be that the GP will be reluctant to prescribe antibiotics without confirmation from a dental exam, but if you have a conversation then at least you might be able to score some strong pain relief.

That should all be doable over the phone and with minimal contact.

Sounds like a plan.

Also I didn’t realise that abscesses can potentially kill you...so I’m going to get it sorted.

So report from the weekly shop - MY GODS THERE ARE CARS ON THE ROAD

With businesses starting to open up there was a very different air going around today. First up you can tell builders are working again. Concrete is moving around; work lorries and trucks are doing the rounds and whilst the builders merchants gates were still shut, they've a man on the gate and they are admitting trade vehicles. Clearly popping in for one or two items is out; but for those needing supplies they can now get at them.

Shopping wise a few more groups in the supermarkets yet again; lines and movement were pretty standard but there's a general air of things relaxing just a bit here and there around the place. More cars on the road - even an actual attempt at rush-hour. More people still out and around walking.

You can still see social distancing going on, you can still see edges of caution; but there's also a bit of an air of "Oh are we near the end".


Even though government has only technically relaxed things a little.