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Grey Templar wrote: It’s delusional to think this disease will last for more than a couple years, much less a hundred. This disease will not keep killing people at the rate it is currently. It’ll sharply drop off before the next few months are over. And yes. I am against the lockdowns continuing further or how they have been hamfistingly implemented.
And have any actual EVIDENCE it's just randomly becoming weaker? ATM where death rates are dropping are countries where infection rates are dropping BECAUSE THE LOCKDOWN ARE IN PLACE!
Remove lockdowns and you get deaths go up again. It's kindergarden level logic. Aka even kindergarden kids can see.
Texas opened up, couple week later it's breaking record death rates. No surprise there.
But lockdowns can't be held infinitely. So either death rates will go up permanently or vaccine is made. No vaccine, deaths aren't shrinking down any time soon.
If you disagree feel free to provide some actual evidence rather than drivel.
Whoops a doodle! Data breach already on a Coronavirus tracking app in the U.K.
and people wonder why we want local data saving over here and why it was such a big deal that we literally stopped working with the EU because of their insistence on saving data centrally.
Insistence? Few countries in EU want centralized. Most want decentralized. UK and Norway are the outliers who are actually going with centralized.
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A pretty massive but right after though (emphasis mine):
But even if that process made OC43 less deadly, it is not yet clear whether something similar would happen with SARS-CoV-2. A study in monkeys showed that they retained antibodies to SARS-CoV-2, but the researchers only reported on the first 28 days after infection, so it is unclear how long the immunity lasted12. Concentrations of antibodies against SARS-CoV also dropped significantly over a two- to three-year period13. Whether those lowered levels would be enough to prevent infection or reduce severity has not been tested. Cats, cows, dogs and chickens do not seem to become immune to the sometimes deadly coronaviruses that infect them, leaving veterinarians over the years to scramble for vaccines. Despite all the questions about whether people retain any immunity to SARS-CoV-2, some countries are promoting the idea of giving survivors ‘immunity passports’ to allow them to venture out without fear of being infected or infecting others.
Many scientists are reserving judgement on whether the tamer coronaviruses were once as virulent as SARS-CoV-2. People like to think that “the other coronaviruses were terrible and became mild”, says Perlman. “That’s an optimistic way to think about what’s going on now, but we don’t have evidence.”
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Grey Templar wrote: Even if it hangs around stubbornly, its still not worth a vaccine. The death's that a vaccine might prevent over the next 5-6 years will be very small compared to what what could be saved if that $ was put towards treating the people who are sick now. Or going after other more dangerous diseases.
No. It’s the deaths going forward, not in a neat little time bundle.
See, you need to look at what happens when idiots listen to the like of Jenny ‘no medical qualifications at all, but she’s on the Internet so clearly knows all’ McCarthy. The sort that don’t even grasp that Andrew ‘struck off, disbarred, disgraced’ Wakefield’s dodgy paper was saying a single, very specific vaccine (combined MMR) May have a link to autism, not that all vaccines cause autism, refuse to get their kids vaccinated.
Diseases all but eradicated start coming back. Look into it, there’s (reliable, verifiable, scientific) evidence out there - and no few dead kids.
That is why a vaccine is important for any emergent disease. Because the thing with diseases? They don’t just go away on their own, like an irritating relative come to visit for the afternoon. Once they’re here, they’re here.
What’s the cost of treating the future cases where we don’t bother developing a vaccine?
I wholeheartedly agree with you about anti vaxxers, but it's different in this case I think. Diseases like measles and such, we know those vaccines work. The issue with CV19 is that all current human CV have no vaccines.
Grey Templar wrote: It’s delusional to think this disease will last for more than a couple years, much less a hundred. This disease will not keep killing people at the rate it is currently. It’ll sharply drop off before the next few months are over. And yes. I am against the lockdowns continuing further or how they have been hamfistingly implemented.
And have any actual EVIDENCE it's just randomly becoming weaker? ATM where death rates are dropping are countries where infection rates are dropping BECAUSE THE LOCKDOWN ARE IN PLACE!
Remove lockdowns and you get deaths go up again. It's kindergarden level logic. Aka even kindergarden kids can see.
Texas opened up, couple week later it's breaking record death rates. No surprise there.
But lockdowns can't be held infinitely. So either death rates will go up permanently or vaccine is made. No vaccine, deaths aren't shrinking down any time soon.
If you disagree feel free to provide some actual evidence rather than drivel.
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Not yet because it's too early in the process, but you can use the same logic that people are using to assert that lockdowns work, to ta hypothesis that the virus will likely become less deadly due to a bunch of factors. Death rates aren't going to go up permanantly. That's a pretty wild assumption, but then im not really surprised at that.
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I'm not an immunologist or a doctor of any sort. But, most of the reading I have done on the subject states that it is WHEN rather than IF a vaccine is found. Apparently there are 75 separate companies and organisations looking for it and vast quantities of money involved, and the common consensus is that it is achievable.
It seems like a silly comparison to make, but like trying to land on the Moon, it's a technical problem to be solved. And there is a massive vested interest - on a societal, a political, an economic level - to create one.
It may not one that is suitable indefinitely due to the nature of the virus, but if it is taken up successfully by enough populations then it will allow a herd immunity and the amount of new cases to dwindle. Hopefully there is then the possibility of some return to normality, that doesn't rely on the virus just running wildly through populations and culling the vulnerable (as much as some right wing demagogues think that this is an acceptable course of action).
I think there's a few things to consider when it comes to a vaccine
1) Language used. Governments are hinging reactivation of most of the world on a vaccine. If they use the word "IF" suddenly reactivation of the world is an if and people don't like that. It's uncertain, unsettling, scary.
2) Most problems can be overcome, however time and technology have to be there. You can throw all the money you want at a problem and it seriously helps, but if the technology and understanding are not yet developed then it might be than an answer (in this case a vaccine) might be impossible today. Now it might be that hte huge resources dedicated toward it means that a vaccine appears tomorrow and we don't wait that long. Or it could take 10 years or 50 years or 100 years.
3) Even if a vaccine proves impossible/impractical (eg has disastrous side effects); research into a vaccine and resources spent on working with the disease can all be used to help improve recovery. Developing new drugs that can help counter its effect; new and safer methods to help those infected recover etc.... Even down to more reliable and faster kits for testing.
So even if a vaccine never appears the potential risk of life and long term health impact can be reduced. Perhaps even to a point where a vaccine is no longer considered viable because we reduce its impact so much that we can more easily cure than prevent.
For anyone interested in data and graphs, OurWorldInData is probably the best site I've found. Looking at US data (since that's where I live), there's some interesting results. While overall in Per Capita terms, the US hasn't been hit as hard as some European nations, the US efforts at control in terms of flattening the infection curve and death rates appears to be less effective. Whereas Covid19 exploded spectacularly in some nations, the US avoided this to the same extent on a per-capita basis, however it's been on a slower but steadier burn in the US, and where we see significant drop offs in other nations once the curve starts to flatten, the US appears to more plateau than drop off and has taken much longer to do so.
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Much as i'd love this to burn itself out like SARs and MERs,i just don't think it will,
Too many victims never show symptoms meaning loads of spread
and even those with symptoms are infectious for a few days at least before they show up so even in a perfect world where everybody recognises they have covid 19 and immediately isolates themselves as soon as symptoms show there's still plenty of time for them to spread the infection too
plus it's spread pretty much world wide so lots of scope for countries with weak health/testing systems to re-infect the rest through official travel and business let alone via refugees, illegal economic migrants, drug trafficers and other sumugglers etc
hopefully a vaccine will show up (even if we do have to re-vaccinate everybody year like we do for flu but on a much larger scale)
If not treatments will carry on improving, natural immunity (however long it lasts) will either prevent some catching it or reduce the severity when they do and we'll learn to live with it and our social habits, buildings etc will adapt
after all it's not so long ago that nobody had indoor plumbing, open sewers right beside houses were the norm
Aye the only real time we could have expected it to burn out was when it was confined to China. As soon as it started hitting major international airports it spread like wildfire. It's that long silent incubation period that's the real deal breaker in containment.
Even if a single country and lock its population and track and trace the virus to oblivion within its own population - not easy but potentially possible. The risk of infection from outside of the national "bubble" is very high. In an ideal world you could suppose that developed/affluent nations could lockdown, eradicate their own sources and then start to aid other nations in their own lockdowns. However that's a pipe dream that, whilst it could be done at a basic level, would never achieve full effectiveness.
Of course the combination of the virus potentially mutating into a less lethal strain and humanity improving medical treatment could be a duel combo enough to make it more of a measured risk in life that we grow accustomed to living with. Getting the death rate and long term health impacts down to values that are safer for the population in general.
That said if evolution of a less lethal strain requires more lethal ones to be out-bred by the victims being killed and thus not spreading. One could argue that the natural evolution could get messed up by medical treatment. Of course in theory anyone receiving high end medical treatment should be in a hospital and thus contained with those working on them shielded from infection. So there's potential that you get
the same "removal from population" of the most deadly strains.
I'm not sure about social habits though. I can see social adaptation in the short term, but I can't see beach parties, raves, musical concerts, restaurants/ workplaces - I can't see everywhere adopting long term isolation measures. Even airports and ports I can't see maintaining the whole "2 weeks isolation" aspects. They are ideal measures that would seriously inhibit any disease spread; but they are also very slow and work against both space efficiency and our natural behaviours. More likely we might see face masks become a thing with increased washing down of work/leisure places and personal grooming. Those would be more practical measures that I can see being sustainable and encouraged, esp once the fashion market latches onto face-masks.
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Well, looks like white trash is going to white trash. One of my ex employees is currently living with the girlfriend of a current employee.
Ex employee didn't want to be stigmatized, so told everyone she was staying with her family for the weekend. What she was actually doing was staying with her Corona positive boyfriend in his small studio apartment, and tweeting about it.
No one found out about this for a couple days. This means ex employee exposed her roommate, roommate's baby, two of my employees, and a ton of other people since she refuses to quarantine. However this is everyone else's fault for judging her.
I now have to lay off important employees for two weeks, deep sanitize my workplace, and pray no one else shows symptoms.
18 councils in the UK so far saying they will not reopen primary schools on 1st June (covering 1,500 primaries).
Dame McLean saying that we really don't have a hope of having sufficient track and tracing in place in time, despite it having been a government stipulation for reopening, on last night's briefing can't have helped.
Honestly there's only a few weeks left of school before it all ends for the summer anyway. I still don't get the big push to have them open up. Even if it means that parents can go back to work they've only got 2 weeks before the kids are back at home. Staff are unlikely to be teaching much (the post exam period is typically a bit of a lull).
About the only thing they can achieve is successful passing around of the virus with 2 weeks to achieve it.
Too many victims never show symptoms meaning loads of spread
and even those with symptoms are infectious for a few days at least before they show up so even in a perfect world where everybody recognises they have covid 19 and immediately isolates themselves as soon as symptoms show there's still plenty of time for them to spread the infection too
plus it's spread pretty much world wide so lots of scope for countries with weak health/testing systems to re-infect the rest through official travel and business let alone via refugees, illegal economic migrants, drug trafficers and other sumugglers etc
hopefully a vaccine will show up (even if we do have to re-vaccinate everybody year like we do for flu but on a much larger scale)
If not treatments will carry on improving, natural immunity (however long it lasts) will either prevent some catching it or reduce the severity when they do and we'll learn to live with it and our social habits, buildings etc will adapt
after all it's not so long ago that nobody had indoor plumbing, open sewers right beside houses were the norm
It wont burn out, but Its possible it will fade into the background somewhat as the other human coronavirus, OC43 has. Thats what the article I posted was saying.
I'm no virologist obviously, but what that seems to suggest is that there was an initial outbreak of a new coronavirus, which then changed or combined or however they mutate, up until the 1950s when the more recent strains that are endemic now emerged. These strains we dont even notice, as they give symptoms of a common cold.
I agree that our immunity will probably adapt somewhat as we get more exposure, and hopefully that combined with the above will mean that it does just fade out into a basic irrelevance. this is all conjecture of course. before anyone crucifies me.
UK is going to start publishing recovery rates from today apparently. Hopefully that might provide something of a counterweight to the daily death figures and start to ease the culture of fear somewhat.
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Overread wrote: Honestly there's only a few weeks left of school before it all ends for the summer anyway. I still don't get the big push to have them open up. Even if it means that parents can go back to work they've only got 2 weeks before the kids are back at home. Staff are unlikely to be teaching much (the post exam period is typically a bit of a lull).
About the only thing they can achieve is successful passing around of the virus with 2 weeks to achieve it.
When i was in england as exchange student in june i went to school just once. To get official papers i needed to prove my study records at home. Rest was just waiting for results to come up.
Passing virus ahead is likely the goal...corona is too convenient scapegoat so boris doesn't want it to go away quickly.
Here 5 days of school open, 9 schools have already had corona cases. Yey yey. What a success. At least only about week left and not all students at school(many parents just flat out say their kids won't show up and school rubberstamps permission) but going to result in spike up.
Too many victims never show symptoms meaning loads of spread
and even those with symptoms are infectious for a few days at least before they show up so even in a perfect world where everybody recognises they have covid 19 and immediately isolates themselves as soon as symptoms show there's still plenty of time for them to spread the infection too
plus it's spread pretty much world wide so lots of scope for countries with weak health/testing systems to re-infect the rest through official travel and business let alone via refugees, illegal economic migrants, drug trafficers and other sumugglers etc
hopefully a vaccine will show up (even if we do have to re-vaccinate everybody year like we do for flu but on a much larger scale)
If not treatments will carry on improving, natural immunity (however long it lasts) will either prevent some catching it or reduce the severity when they do and we'll learn to live with it and our social habits, buildings etc will adapt
after all it's not so long ago that nobody had indoor plumbing, open sewers right beside houses were the norm
It wont burn out, but Its possible it will fade into the background somewhat as the other human coronavirus, OC43 has. Thats what the article I posted was saying.
I'm no virologist obviously, but what that seems to suggest is that there was an initial outbreak of a new coronavirus, which then changed or combined or however they mutate, up until the 1950s when the more recent strains that are endemic now emerged. These strains we dont even notice, as they give symptoms of a common cold.
I agree that our immunity will probably adapt somewhat as we get more exposure, and hopefully that combined with the above will mean that it does just fade out into a basic irrelevance. this is all conjecture of course. before anyone crucifies me.
UK is going to start publishing recovery rates from today apparently. Hopefully that might provide something of a counterweight to the daily death figures and start to ease the culture of fear somewhat.
But, as people pointed out, there is not evidence that OC43 started out more dangerous and became less so.
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Overread wrote: Honestly there's only a few weeks left of school before it all ends for the summer anyway. I still don't get the big push to have them open up. Even if it means that parents can go back to work they've only got 2 weeks before the kids are back at home. Staff are unlikely to be teaching much (the post exam period is typically a bit of a lull).
About the only thing they can achieve is successful passing around of the virus with 2 weeks to achieve it.
When i was in england as exchange student in june i went to school just once. To get official papers i needed to prove my study records at home. Rest was just waiting for results to come up.
Passing virus ahead is likely the goal...corona is too convenient scapegoat so boris doesn't want it to go away quickly.
Here 5 days of school open, 9 schools have already had corona cases. Yey yey. What a success. At least only about week left and not all students at school(many parents just flat out say their kids won't show up and school rubberstamps permission) but going to result in spike up.
This again. and yes, as last time Boris Definitely wants the worst thing that couldve happened, the thing that it destroying his public support, to his government after a stonking victory at the polls. honestly.
Pacific wrote: I'm not an immunologist or a doctor of any sort. But, most of the reading I have done on the subject states that it is WHEN rather than IF a vaccine is found. Apparently there are 75 separate companies and organisations looking for it and vast quantities of money involved, and the common consensus is that it is achievable.
It seems like a silly comparison to make, but like trying to land on the Moon, it's a technical problem to be solved. And there is a massive vested interest - on a societal, a political, an economic level - to create one.
It's a bad analogy. I think it's best to say that scientists are optimistic. It's NOT a case where a result is guaranteed given the horsepower and proper math. Vaccine development is tricky. The virus and the human body are going to decide if it's achievable, not the dollars and brainpower we throw at it.
Remember that scientists originally announced an HIV vaccine would take two years. NOW we know why that was a pipe dream, but they didn't understand that at the time. More recently they thought they could crack dengue fever, and kinda sorta did...other than the fact that it makes kids that haven't had the disease MORE likely to get serious cases. Works well for people who have already had it, though.
I get that people want to be hopeful and that politicians want to say things to keep people hopeful, but people need to know that a vaccine that brings everything 'back to normal' isn't a guarantee. And that it may be a longer process than people think. Can't cut corners on clinical development with vaccines. Just can't. And manufacturing and distribution will be the opposite of instantaneous.
cuda1179 wrote: Well, looks like white trash is going to white trash. One of my ex employees is currently living with the girlfriend of a current employee.
Ex employee didn't want to be stigmatized, so told everyone she was staying with her family for the weekend. What she was actually doing was staying with her Corona positive boyfriend in his small studio apartment, and tweeting about it.
No one found out about this for a couple days. This means ex employee exposed her roommate, roommate's baby, two of my employees, and a ton of other people since she refuses to quarantine. However this is everyone else's fault for judging her.
I now have to lay off important employees for two weeks, deep sanitize my workplace, and pray no one else shows symptoms.
This is why the re-open is a bad idea. It probably is costing you as much money as you are making at the reduce capacity. At least if I recall the margins of small food businesses correctly.
However, now if you DON'T re-open you could lose the small base of customers you have to a competitor who is not as careful with their precautions. Therefore, businesses are being rewarded for the wrong behaviors.... again.....
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Disciple of Fate wrote: Most of these viruses have about a year or two worth of immunity if you get it. There are currently 4 common Coronaviruses recurring, they don't all just burn out like SARS. Not all viruses start of super deadly either. Look at Swine Flu for example, much less deadly than we know Covid-19 is so far
Swine Flu, or H1N1 was the virus responsible for the Spanish Flu.
So yes, it was very very deadly when it first showed up.
Pacific wrote: I'm not an immunologist or a doctor of any sort. But, most of the reading I have done on the subject states that it is WHEN rather than IF a vaccine is found. Apparently there are 75 separate companies and organisations looking for it and vast quantities of money involved, and the common consensus is that it is achievable.
It seems like a silly comparison to make, but like trying to land on the Moon, it's a technical problem to be solved. And there is a massive vested interest - on a societal, a political, an economic level - to create one.
Hiv vaccine is technical problem to be solved as well. Or previous corona viruses. We are still waiting those.
Now there are promising results so far but even then it's not quarantee. Vaccine might never show up(or be like 20 year+ later...) at which point time for head scratching on how to avoid worst. Maybe at least some sort of medicine to help recovery can be found. But no quarantees there either. Several failures already(including one trump is already consuming just for fun of it...)
Who was it arguing that they should be free to travel because they were sensible and would use common sense and be safe?
Unlike all these people who are just mad keen to catch the virus?
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Disciple of Fate wrote: Most of these viruses have about a year or two worth of immunity if you get it. There are currently 4 common Coronaviruses recurring, they don't all just burn out like SARS. Not all viruses start of super deadly either. Look at Swine Flu for example, much less deadly than we know Covid-19 is so far
Swine Flu, or H1N1 was the virus responsible for the Spanish Flu.
So yes, it was very very deadly when it first showed up.
Its part of the same overall virus, but not the same strain. The 2009 pandemic is different from the 1918 one. Afaik the latest theory is that we gave the 1918 flu to pigs after which it mutated and changed over time into the 2009 swine flu pandemic. Saying 'when it first showed up' is misleading in that sense, because 2009 was a new zoonotic strain, not the same one but less deadly, for all that matters it could have easily turned out worse depending on how it changed before jumping to humans.
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Hiv vaccine is technical problem to be solved as well. Or previous corona viruses. We are still waiting those.
Now there are promising results so far but even then it's not quarantee. Vaccine might never show up(or be like 20 year+ later...) at which point time for head scratching on how to avoid worst. Maybe at least some sort of medicine to help recovery can be found. But no quarantees there either. Several failures already(including one trump is already consuming just for fun of it...)
There is too much money on the table for a vaccine to not be found. The issue with other coronavirus is that they were never such a big thing so the economic incentive was low and sadly vaccine development is expensive and it will not be done without the promise of money.
But with this virus threatening basically the entire planet, whoever comes up with a vaccine will basically drown in money. So for once hurrah for capitalism.
Grey Templar wrote: It’s delusional to think this disease will last for more than a couple years, much less a hundred. This disease will not keep killing people at the rate it is currently. It’ll sharply drop off before the next few months are over. And yes. I am against the lockdowns continuing further or how they have been hamfistingly implemented.
And have any actual EVIDENCE it's just randomly becoming weaker? ATM where death rates are dropping are countries where infection rates are dropping BECAUSE THE LOCKDOWN ARE IN PLACE!
Remove lockdowns and you get deaths go up again. It's kindergarden level logic. Aka even kindergarden kids can see.
Texas opened up, couple week later it's breaking record death rates. No surprise there.
But lockdowns can't be held infinitely. So either death rates will go up permanently or vaccine is made. No vaccine, deaths aren't shrinking down any time soon.
If you disagree feel free to provide some actual evidence rather than drivel.
The increase in cases in Texas isn't linked to re-opening businesses.
Relevant excerpts from the article spoilered below. Follow the link to the article to see the supporting data and charts.
Spoiler:
On Sunday CNN ran a segment on the spread of COVID-19 in Texas. The news channel promoted it with the jarring tweet “Texas is seeing the highest number of new coronavirus cases and deaths just two weeks after it officially reopened.” The segment spotlighted 1,448 new cases and 58 new deaths, and noted the increased movement of people in the state according to cellphone data, illustrating that the public was increasingly out and about.
While technically true, this information is horribly misleading, and to the extent CNN is trying to establish a causal connection between Texas’ reopening and the increase in coronavirus diagnoses and deaths in the Lone Star State, it is simply wrong. It is so wrong that it is difficult to give the benefit of the doubt here. There are three reasons for this.
First, deaths are a trailing indicator. COVID-19 does not kill quickly; the average time to death from infection varies by source, but somewhere between three and four weeks is the average. In other words, the deaths in Texas over the weekend were mostly seeded before the reopening.
Second, consider the following three charts, which use data taken from the indispensable COVID Tracking Project. The first shows the seven-day rolling average of cases in Texas. We use the seven-day average because states are inconsistent in reporting data, so what might appear to be a massive one-day spike could simply reflect cases that weren’t updated fully over the weekend, or other anomalies in the data reporting process.
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Third, and finally, CNN fails to examine important granularity in the Texas data, which makes it very unlikely that the surge in cases is being driven by increased spread.
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What CNN has probably discovered is not that Texas’ reopening is driving an increase in cases. Instead, it seems to have discovered yet another outbreak in meatpacking plants, a story on which CNN has reported elsewhere and which has been covered in the Lone Star State for going on a month now. These outbreaks should not be waved away; they represent a genuine problem, though this problem is mitigated by the fact that there are relatively few sick and/or elderly workers on meatpacking floors. At the same time, it has very little to do with the merits of re-opening the economy at this point.
Getting this right is important because the stakes are incredibly high here. The only way we get this right, however, is if we’re supplied with a proper balance of good news and bad news. Right now, much of the media is in full bore “bad news” mode.
This skewed information diet makes it difficult to sort things out correctly, but it has an additional negative consequence. The viewer/reader will decide for him- or herself whether this is misfeasance or malfeasance on CNN’s part, but regardless, at this point in the pandemic it ought to know to check things like the testing rate and whether there are idiosyncratic outbreaks in prisons or meatpacking plants. If you are someone who believes that the media has an important gatekeeping function in slowing the spread of misinformation and disinformation, then having a major media company spreading what is dangerously close to disinformation impairs that function and erodes overall public confidence in an important institution for democracy.
We have the biggest drive thru KFC in Ireland. When it reopened last week the queue stretched for over a mile.
O_o
I've lived within walking distance of a KFC for 8 of the last 10 years at three different places, and while I'm normally a huge fan of fried chicken, I've only been through a KFC twice in that time, both times reminded me why I shouldn't have. I'm not sure why, but KFC in particular makes me physically nauseous (something in the grease). I cannot imagine how or why it would be *that* popular. That blows my mind.
The one nearest to me is open for takeout actually, and I've seen practically nobody stop by
Quarantine does strange things I guess, though at lest with a drive thru it should be relatively safe if everything is handled properly.
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We have the biggest drive thru KFC in Ireland. When it reopened last week the queue stretched for over a mile.
That is some dedication for a piece of fried chicken
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